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05-30-2011, 12:39 PM
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Going to have to be some realignment. Maybe Nashville goes to the Southeastern conference and Winnipeg moves in with Detroit and Chicago.
Everything I have read says Winnipeg plays in the southeast for the first year then there will be realignent the year after

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If this happens it will be the second time that Atlanta has lost an NHL franchise. Who would think that they'd get a third chance? It's a major city where the game hasn't taken.

And if I'm remembering right--Winnipeg didn't lose the Jets to Phoenix because of lack of fan support. They lost it because of arena issues. Now that they have a new arena--with luxury boxes etal. and with the strengthened Canadian dollar and with a strong fan base they should have no problems for the forseeable future being able to support an NHL team.
Actually the arena issue in Winnipeg PLUS the lack of fan support cost them the team. Attendance numbers not much different than Phoenix. Well documented out here.

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05-31-2011, 04:59 AM
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If the new owners inflate the payroll to the salary cap, the GM will have a lot of money to spend, which is unusual in today’s NHL. At present, the Thrashers have 15 players under contract for a payroll of $35.9-million. If the cap rises from $59.4-million to almost $64-million as expected, Dudley will have $28-million in cap space.

But before he chases the scorer and defenceman through free agency or a trade, Dudley has to sign several Thrashers who will become free agents on July 1. The most important ones will be restricted free agents Ladd, Blake Wheeler and Anthony Stewart, who are all forwards, and defenceman Zach Bogosian. The notable unrestricted free agents are forward Radek Dvorak and defencemen Freddy Meyer.

Dudley said he is “comfortable” about his chances of signing Ladd, Wheeler, Stewart and Bogosian after talking to them since the end of the season. He admitted he did not raise the possibility of a move to Winnipeg but thinks that may not change any of the players’ minds.
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$64M. This is coming from a columnist with the good NHL sources.

I heard an interview with Wheeler yesterday on XM. He didn't sound excited about playing in Winnipeg.

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Ladd reportedly isn't too happy about the move either.

Don't see why Stewart wouldn't sign, he pretty much owes them his NHL career.

As for Bogosian, I think he would sign. He doesn't even have any leverage, really, as he's coming off his ELC.

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Don't know if this has been posted already, but this is the offer sheet compensation for 2011:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/stor...ed-free-agents

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An offer with a $1,034,249 annual cap hit or less: No compensation

More than $1,034,249 -- $1,567,043: Third-round pick

More than $1,567,043 -- $3,134,088: Second-round pick

More than $3,134,088 -- $4,701,131: First and third-round pick

More than $4,701,131 -- $6,268,175: First, second and third-round pick

More than $6,268,175 -- $7,835,219: Two first-round picks, a second and third

More than $7,835,219 and higher: Four first-round picks
These would be 2012 draft picks, if any of our RFAs sign an offer sheet. Callahan and Dubinsky are the only 2 that would merit a significant offer sheet, though I have a hard time believing any team would offer either one more than $4,701,131.

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05-31-2011, 10:01 AM
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Told now Andrew Ladd's extension was never agreed to. Not huge reach to get it done but he will want to see who's running the show in WPG.

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Pierre LeBrun reported something similar a few weeks ago. Ladd is from Western Canada. Running the show? He shouldn't have been comfortable with Waddell and Dudley running the show in Atlanta. Dudley is signed long term. He got a 4 year extension recently. Winnipeg should hire Paul Fenton as their GM.


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would absolutely LOVE to get either ladd or wheeler or both if they are available...but i assume they will resign.

the idea of the new owners spending to the cap is interesting though...i'm not sure what that situation looks like, and they will probably sellout regardless of how bad the team is just cause they are back...but if they are willing to spend they could make a MAJOR splash going after richards to show fans that they are looking to put a winning team on the ice.

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05-31-2011, 11:28 AM
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Don't know if this has been posted already, but this is the offer sheet compensation for 2011:

http://aol.sportingnews.com/nhl/stor...ed-free-agents



These would be 2012 draft picks, if any of our RFAs sign an offer sheet. Callahan and Dubinsky are the only 2 that would merit a significant offer sheet, though I have a hard time believing any team would offer either one more than $4,701,131.
The 2 players I fear losing to an offer sheet are Anisimov and Sauer. Both made peanuts last season and will be available for a 3rd or 2nd round compensation. Well worth it.....

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The 2 players I fear losing to an offer sheet are Anisimov and Sauer. Both made peanuts last season and will be available for a 3rd or 2nd round compensation. Well worth it.....
But how much would other teams offer them that we wouldn't match?

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But how much would other teams offer them that we wouldn't match?
2-3 million? We may match it, but it will make them more expensive than they should be.

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2-3 million? We may match it, but it will make them more expensive than they should be.
Regardless I match unless it is 3.5 or higher. Anisimov has shown that he has the ability to be a top 2 center, and Sauer is already a sound top-4 guy.

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think ive seen this before but there was a 60m relocation fee split among the teams. does this 60m go to revenue that effects the cap in 2012?

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think ive seen this before but there was a 60m relocation fee split among the teams. does this 60m go to revenue that effects the cap in 2012?
It does not. Relocation fees are expressly excluded from the HRR formula under Article 50.1(b)(ii).

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The 2 players I fear losing to an offer sheet are Anisimov and Sauer. Both made peanuts last season and will be available for a 3rd or 2nd round compensation. Well worth it.....
You want to be the owner who pisses off the Rangers? Paybacks are a *****, you know.

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You want to be the owner who pisses off the Rangers? Paybacks are a *****, you know.
As much as I believe this to be true, I can see someone trying to poach them from us because they are very talented young guys

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Let's hope Yzerman sends one an offersheet and we mix sheet Stamkos

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Its finally June. Buyout period begins in two weeks. June 15-30. Upper limit will be set on June 24 which is the same day as the first round of the draft. Qualifying offers are due by June 27. Free agency on July 1. Arbitration filing date on July 5 which will take the filing players off the market.

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Its finally June. Buyout period begins in two weeks. June 15-30. Upper limit will be set on June 24 which is the same day as the first round of the draft. Qualifying offers are due by June 27. Free agency on July 1. Arbitration filing date on July 5 which will take the filing players off the market.
You think we are gunna buy anyone out? There is a lot of speculation, but idk if buying out is the right move. Besides Richards this is a weak fa class. I say if we can not get Richards just wait one more year and have a free for all on next years fa class

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Offer sheets are fruitless. The team matches unless its for crazy Dustin Penner money. All it does is drive up prices for all of the group IIs including the team giving the offer sheet.

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You think we are gunna buy anyone out? There is a lot of speculation, but idk if buying out is the right move. Besides Richards this is a weak fa class. I say if we can not get Richards just wait one more year and have a free for all on next years fa class
It's possible that we will trade for Richards' rights and try to sign him during the buyout period. If it seems like something can be worked out, then we execute the buyouts. If we aren't trading for his rights, we'll have to do the buyouts and hope for the best.

We may get a 2nd buyout period because of arbitration, but I don't think we can count on that, and it may come too late in the offseason to help us.

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You think we are gunna buy anyone out? There is a lot of speculation, but idk if buying out is the right move. Besides Richards this is a weak fa class. I say if we can not get Richards just wait one more year and have a free for all on next years fa class
The Rangers will need to move money if they sign Richards and re-sign all of their group IIs to add other players. Wolski and Avery are cheap buyouts. You want to see the same team next season. Next years FA class will be re-signed by their current teams. The CBA expires after next season. Get Richards into the fold. Trade for his rights and sign him before July 1. The Rangers can't keep waiting for next year every year. The young players have some experience under their belts. Add a #1 center. Look to add a winger with size. Add another good D. Let's go.

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Daly just restated in Bettman's state of the league that the cap "will be in excess of 60 million and as high as 63."

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I posted this on the Brad Richards thread on the Trade Rumors boards to make a point, but it's still worth looking at. As a disclaimer: In no way do I feel like this is what the Rangers roster ends up looking like. It's just an extension of the thought about what we can do.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m) / Brad Richards ($7.300m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.250m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.900m)
Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brian Boyle ($1.300m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
/ Chris Drury ($7.050m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Sauer ($1.100m)
Tim Erixon ($1.750m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Tomas Kundratek ($0.816m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,491,666; BONUSES: $2,600,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $8,334


No buyouts required. And if Hagelin makes the team instead of MZA? They'd actually be able to fit a cheap vet D in the mix. Be informed. I'm of the opinion that either Drury or Wolski does get bought out just to give the team wiggle room, but the situation is workable without doing it, although much more tricky to manage. You never want to be in a position of burying guys in the minors who should have made the team.

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I posted this on the Brad Richards thread on the Trade Rumors boards to make a point, but it's still worth looking at. As a disclaimer: In no way do I feel like this is what the Rangers roster ends up looking like. It's just an extension of the thought about what we can do.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m) / Brad Richards ($7.300m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.250m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.900m)
Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brian Boyle ($1.300m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
/ Chris Drury ($7.050m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Sauer ($1.100m)
Tim Erixon ($1.750m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Tomas Kundratek ($0.816m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,491,666; BONUSES: $2,600,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $8,334


No buyouts required. And if Hagelin makes the team instead of MZA? They'd actually be able to fit a cheap vet D in the mix. Be informed. I'm of the opinion that either Drury or Wolski does get bought out just to give the team wiggle room, but the situation is workable without doing it, although much more tricky to manage. You never want to be in a position of burying guys in the minors who should have made the team.
my math puts those totals at 64.5 mil over the cap...but mind=blown that without buying out drury or wolski and giving fairly generous raises to the RFAs, it almost fits under the cap

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Yeah I got the same thing when I put all those players in, dunno what the discrepancy is

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