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06-03-2011, 06:31 PM
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Yeah I got the same thing when I put all those players in, dunno what the discrepancy is
I just put them in again and got a different result. Wonderful.

However, it's about a million over. Hagelin makes the team instead of MZA and we carry 6 D and the numbers actually work.

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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,491,666; BONUSES: $2,600,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $8,334
Even if your numbers are right, no team can operate at only 8k under the cap. There will be injuries and callups. We need at least 500k cap space going into the season.

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Even if your numbers are right, no team can operate at only 8k under the cap. There will be injuries and callups. We need at least 500k cap space going into the season.
Yeah... I still don't understand what capgeek did to me there on the numbers....

... however, I made the disclaimer that I don't think the roster will look like this and what you're saying is exactly the reason why. I was doing this more as an exercise to show the people on the trade board that the Rangers Cap situation isn't nearly as bad as most people think. They'll buyout someone... and mostly because they'll want to resign Fedotenko or Prospal even if Richards ends up here.

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Yeah... I still don't understand what capgeek did to me there on the numbers....

... however, I made the disclaimer that I don't think the roster will look like this and what you're saying is exactly the reason why. I was doing this more as an exercise to show the people on the trade board that the Rangers Cap situation isn't nearly as bad as most people think. They'll buyout someone... and mostly because they'll want to resign Fedotenko or Prospal even if Richards ends up here.
Did you possibly forget to include Redden on the summer cap along with the 10% increase?

edit: Wow, it does work, but I think at least Wolski should be bought out create some comfort room. Or hopefully, Redden breaches his contract somehow, that would be even better.


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Did you possibly forget to include Redden on the summer cap along with the 10% increase?

edit: Wow, it does work, but I think at least Wolski should be bought out create some comfort room. Or hopefully, Redden breaches his contract somehow, that would be even better.
This wasn't about the summer cap. I have no doubt in my mind that the Rangers can get Richards under the summer cap because of that 10% cushion and the fact that McDonagh, DelZotto and Zuccarello don't have their entire Cap hits affect the summer calculation. Erixon's doesn't affect the summer calculation at all because he didn't play in the NHL last season. This was more about the roster on day 1 of the regular season. No, the problem was somewhere on the CapGeek site. It didn't calculate properly. I'll be sure to do it on their site twice from now on.

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06-04-2011, 05:48 AM
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I posted this on the Brad Richards thread on the Trade Rumors boards to make a point, but it's still worth looking at. As a disclaimer: In no way do I feel like this is what the Rangers roster ends up looking like. It's just an extension of the thought about what we can do.

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m) / Brad Richards ($7.300m) / Marian Gaborik ($7.500m)
Brandon Dubinsky ($4.000m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.250m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.900m)
Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Brian Boyle ($1.300m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m)
/ Chris Drury ($7.050m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Michael Sauer ($1.100m)
Tim Erixon ($1.750m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
Tomas Kundratek ($0.816m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,491,666; BONUSES: $2,600,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $8,334


No buyouts required. And if Hagelin makes the team instead of MZA? They'd actually be able to fit a cheap vet D in the mix. Be informed. I'm of the opinion that either Drury or Wolski does get bought out just to give the team wiggle room, but the situation is workable without doing it, although much more tricky to manage. You never want to be in a position of burying guys in the minors who should have made the team.
FORWARDS 13 Forwards
Marian Gaborik $7.500m
Brad Richards $7.300m UFA
Chris Drury $7.050m
Brandon Dubinsky $4.000m RFA
Ryan Callahan $3.900m RFA
Wojtek Wolski $3.800m
Artem Anisimov $2.250m RFA
Sean Avery $1.937m
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen $1.750m
Brian Boyle $1.300m RFA
Erik Christensen $0.925m
Derek Stepan $0.875m
Brandon Prust $0.800m
TOTAL FWD SALARY $43.387m
DEFENSEMEN 7 Defenders
Marc Staal $3.975m
Daniel Girardi $3.325m
Tim Erixon $1.750m
Ryan McDonagh $1.300m
Mike Sauer $1.100m RFA
Michael Del Zotto $1.087m
Tomas Kundratek $0.816m
TOTAL D SALARY $14.103m
GOALTENDERS 2 Goalies
Henrik Lundqvist $6.875m
Martin Biron $0.875m
TOTAL G SALARY $7.750m
2010/2010 BONUS OVERAGE ?????
TOTAL SALARIES $65.240
CAP MAXIMUM $63.500m
CAP SPACE -$1.740

CAP GEEK HAS GONE CRAZY
PLAIN & SIMPLE

I put in your numbers manually twice & here above is the result.

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06-04-2011, 06:11 AM
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FORWARDS 14 Forwards
Marian Gaborik $7.500m
Brad Richards $7.000m UFA
Brandon Dubinsky $4.000m RFA
Ryan Callahan $4.000m RFA
Wojtek Wolski $3.800m
Sean Avery $1.937m
Artem Anisimov $1.850m RFA
Mats Zuccarello-Aasen/Thomas?? $1.750m
Brian Boyle $1.500m RFA
Ruslan Fedotenko $1.200m UFA
Derek Stepan $0.875m
Evgeny Grachev or Carl Hagelin MAX $0.816m
Brandon Prust $0.800m
Mitchell/Newbury/Goon MAX $0.600m
TOTAL FWD SALARY $37.628m
DEFENSEMEN 7 Defenders
Marc Staal $3.975m
Daniel Girardi $3.325m
Tim Erixon $1.750m
Ryan McDonagh $1.300m
Mike Sauer $1.300m RFA
Michael Del Zotto $1.087m
Valentenko/Gilroy/Eminger/UFA MAX$1.000m
TOTAL D SALARY $13.737m
GOALTENDERS 2 Goalies
Henrik Lundqvist $6.875m
Martin Biron $0.875m
TOTAL G SALARY $7.750m
BUYOUTS
Chris Drury $3.716m
2010/2011 BONUS OVERAGE ?????
TOTAL SALARIES $62.831
CAP MAXIMUM $63.500m
CAP SPACE $0.669 !!

Barring other roster changes/trades - I would rather see this...
Christ traded for a lower pic or waived
Maybe we must Trade Wolski at the draft (if possible - otherwise perhaps a buyout which I think is a waste of resources) and sign a somewhat cheaper UFA solution (Prospal?).


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06-04-2011, 11:22 AM
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I put in your numbers manually twice & here above is the result.
its slightly over but its pretty damn close for still having drury on the team or dumping any other bad salaries. and I think he was extremely generous on some of the contract figures. normally when you see people attempt this they have richards signing for $6 mil and the rfas taking below what they will get, but he basically went the high end on their contracts...

you could probably get dubi, cally, aa and boyle for slightly less than those numbers...but either way it shows that simply be buying out drury we can fit the team under the cap and any additional space we can clear is just a bonus to allow us to possibly upgrade other areas.

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On the pro side, the signings of defenseman Mike Commodore - a surefire buyout candidate this month - and left winger Kristian Huselius were as much pushed by Howson and Hitchcock as they were on the advice of Strumm.
http://www.bluejacketsxtra.com/live/...s.html?sid=101

Chris Drury to Columbus for Mike Commodore. Drury agrees to waive NMC in return for Columbus buying him. Drury becomes a free agent.

Why the Rangers do this? Frees up $3.3M in summer cap space and $7.05M when Commodore is assigned to an AHL team or loaned to a team in Europe. The Rangers buyout Commodore as a compliance buyout in the new CBA.

Why the Jackets do this?Drury costs $3,333,333 to buyout. Commodore costs $4,566,667 to buyout. Columbus saves $1,233,334 in real money. Drury is a shorter buyout-cap hit wise.

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Thanks for the updates RB, the more money we have to play with the more we have in flexibility to tweak our roster.

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Can somebody please refresh me on figuring out cap hits?

Like, somebody will say "So-and-so won't get less than $6 million a year" Obviously $6mil a year for so many years would still be a 6mil cap hit, but how about a contract like 3.5-4-6-6.5-7, what would that be?

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Can somebody please refresh me on figuring out cap hits?

Like, somebody will say "So-and-so won't get less than $6 million a year" Obviously $6mil a year for so many years would still be a 6mil cap hit, but how about a contract like 3.5-4-6-6.5-7, what would that be?
Cap hit is just the average annual salary.

So a 4 year deal that pays salaries of 2, 4, 5 and 5 million dollars comes to a $4MM cap hit. 2+4+5+5=16. 16/4=4.

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my attempt at wizard math for fun...to see if things can fit without buying anyone out

gave these deals to the 5 RFAs
Dubinsky-$3.8 mil/yr
Callahan-$3.8 mil/yr
Anisimov-$2.2 mil/yr
Boyle-$1.1 mil/yr
Sauer-$925k/yr

Then added Richards for $7 mil/year...AND

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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Marian Gaborik ($7.500m) / Chris Drury ($7.050m) / Wojtek Wolski ($3.800m)
Sean Avery ($1.937m) / Mats Zuccarello-Aasen ($1.750m) / Erik Christensen ($0.925m)
Derek Stepan ($0.875m) / Brandon Prust ($0.800m) / Ryan Callahan ($3.800m)
Brian Boyle ($1.100m) / Artem Anisimov ($2.200m) / Brandon Dubinsky ($3.800m)
/ / Brad Richards ($7.000m)

DEFENSEMEN
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Daniel Girardi ($3.325m)
Ryan McDonagh ($1.300m) / Mike Sauer ($0.925m)
Tim Erixon ($1.750m) / Michael Del Zotto ($1.087m)
/ Pavel Valentenko ($0.850m)

GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($6.875m) / Martin Biron ($0.875m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,500,000; BONUSES: $2,337,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $0
BOOYAH!! EXACT CHANGE BABY!! LULZ

and no this isn't how i'd want the team and i know you can't open the season with $0 cap space...but thought it was great that i guestimated the rfa salaries first and except for originally putting sauer at $950k i nailed the cap exactly.

also like the idea of with no buyouts at the end of the season $13.7 mil would come off the books with avery, drury, wolski and EC.

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Chris Drury to Columbus for Mike Commodore. Drury agrees to waive NMC in return for Columbus buying him. Drury becomes a free agent.

Why the Rangers do this? Frees up $3.3M in summer cap space and $7.05M when Commodore is assigned to an AHL team or loaned to a team in Europe. The Rangers buyout Commodore as a compliance buyout in the new CBA.

Why the Jackets do this?Drury costs $3,333,333 to buyout. Commodore costs $4,566,667 to buyout. Columbus saves $1,233,334 in real money. Drury is a shorter buyout-cap hit wise.
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seems to me that the magic # for us is $12 mil. if we can get the 5 rfas (dubi, cally, aa, boyle and sauer) signed for ~$12 mil combined (not unrealistic) then we should be in good shape from a cap standpoint.

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The ordinary course buy-out period begins next Wednesday. June 15-June 30.

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Nice! But what are the odds the Rangers actually buyout Drury?

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I actually think they're pretty decent...he doesn't have a place on this team anymore and is taking up a huge amount of cap space that could be used to really improve the team.

It's not "nice" and I feel kind of bad for Drury, but if there's a good chance to really improve the team this year by buying out a guy who is a fourth line player making $7 mill in cap space, then you should probably do it.

Less likely is Redden taking a hike, but that'd be pretty cool.

I kind of doubt they buy out Wolski but I wouldn't be surprised

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The ordinary course buy-out period begins next Wednesday. June 15-June 30.
obviously key dates for us with the possibility of buyouts of drury and wolski...

but what about other teams? any substantial rumors on players other teams might buyout? more specifically anyone that we might have interest in when they become ufas after the fact?

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Mike Commodore and Sheldon Souray are the two obvious buyout candidates. Usually teams wait until a few days leading up to the 30th to execute the buyout. Hate the idea of buying out Drury. He would be owed $3,333,333 in a buyout and gets it payed over 2 years. The Rangers take a $3.7M cap hit next season and $1,666,667 in 12-13. Too much "dead" cap space for next season. The Rangers should try to move Drury to another team with that team buying him out and the Rangers assuming a bad contract in exchange which can be AHL or Europe fodder. The NMC prevents the Rangers Reddening Drury. Souray's buyout costs $3M. Its a $333k difference between a Drury and Souray buyout. The Rangers give up an asset to bridge the money difference. The Rangers free $1.65M in summer cap space and free up another $5.4M when Souray is assigned to a different team. Drury waives NMC with the acquiring team agreeing to buying out. Put in the paperwork and Drury becomes a free agent on July 1.

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Mike Commodore and Sheldon Souray are the two obvious buyout candidates. Usually teams wait until a few days leading up to the 30th to execute the buyout. Hate the idea of buying out Drury. He would be owed $3,333,333 in a buyout and gets it payed over 2 years. The Rangers take a $3.7M cap hit next season and $1,666,667 in 12-13. Too much "dead" cap space for next season. The Rangers should try to move Drury to another team with that team buying him out and the Rangers assuming a bad contract in exchange which can be AHL or Europe fodder. The NMC prevents the Rangers Reddening Drury. Souray's buyout costs $3M. Its a $333k difference between a Drury and Souray buyout. The Rangers give up an asset to bridge the money difference. The Rangers free $1.65M in summer cap space and free up another $5.4M when Souray is assigned to a different team. Drury waives NMC with the acquiring team agreeing to buying out. Put in the paperwork and Drury becomes a free agent on July 1.
The problem is that no team has incentive to take on Drury's buyout unless they are giving us a bad contract in return. Getting to the cap floor is normally a decent reason for some teams, but how expensive the buyout is will push those teams away.

I like your scenario a lot, but I don't think it is feasible.

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The problem is that no team has incentive to take on Drury's buyout unless they are giving us a bad contract in return. Getting to the cap floor is normally a decent reason for some teams, but how expensive the buyout is will push those teams away.

I like your scenario a lot, but I don't think it is feasible.
we would be getting a bad contract back but it would be a contract we could bury in hartford...other team saves $$ on the buyout and we don't have dead cap space.

of course its easier said than done when its not your $$ paying those guys to play in the ahl

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we would be getting a bad contract back but it would be a contract we could bury in hartford...other team saves $$ on the buyout and we don't have dead cap space.

of course its easier said than done when its not your $$ paying those guys to play in the ahl
That is actually a good point that I didn't take into consideration. Though... do we know how many guys were are aloud to bury? Isn't there a limit of some kind that I have read about?

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That is actually a good point that I didn't take into consideration. Though... do we know how many guys were are aloud to bury? Isn't there a limit of some kind that I have read about?
as far as I know you can do it with as many guys as dolan is willing to pay to play in the ahl...but they would all count against the summer cap so there is definitely a negative side to doing it

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