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10-17-2003, 04:52 AM
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Either way would clear the salary off the books.
Yeah, but you have to seal a trade first for that to happen, and which GM is going to make an offer knowing that Domi won't report.

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10-17-2003, 05:43 AM
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"In working-class papers like the SUN, the sports section is the KEY section drawing in readership"

Yes, and if they go out and report rumor after rumor that's false they lose credablity and readers. Strachen is a very well connected writer, you may not what Domi to be traded but hes being shopped around.

"that people NOT on the same team as Sundin, who owe nothing to Sundin and are in a position to speak frankly also give accolades to his leadership abilities"

Before the NHLPA that would have been true, but not anymore. Bill Watters puts it perfectly, the NHLPA is the 31st NHL team and every player belongs to it. You could have two heated rivals (lets say Leafs and the Senators) going into a game 7 and they won't say a negative word about the other team, they say "they are a great team and great bunch of guys, we'll just have to go out there and play hard, do our best and hopefully things will turn out in our favor" - its the company line. Players on the same team almost NEVER bad mouth each other and ones on other team very rarely do it. I guess once you watch hockey for more then a couple years you'll figure that out.

"More importantly, though, you talk as though there were never a captaincy change in the entire history of the NHL"

It changes, but RIPPING the C off your star player, and long time captain (a very public humilation) because a better leader is brought in DOESN'T HAPPEN, they give the new leader an A. Look at the Flames, Conroy GAVE UP the C, they didn't rip it off his sweater.

"Moreover, you don't think that if management were thoroughly unimpressed with Sundin that they would have made a move to trade him?"

Ya, they are going to trade Sundin, and whos goign to take him? Who are they going to get back? Please. And just because Roberts seems to have taken oer as leader doesn't make sundin a bad player, hes still the best player on the Leafs. Or just let his contract run out and not get anything back for one of the top players in the NHL, ya you have a clue about what your taking about. Again, why come onto a hockey website if you have no clue about hockey?

"Just for the record, the fan 590 is reporting that Domi claims he will "NOT" report to another team and that he'd sooner retire than leave the Leafs.
Bye bye rumours"


Doesn't mean anything, Ferguson will still shop him around, and if a team wants him they'll take him. A long time Leafs comments in a local paper aren't going to stop a trade if they want him. Its BS anyway, he was ready to go to Dallas 2 years ago.

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10-17-2003, 06:00 AM
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the papers are starting to get bored and are getting set to make a number of bogus leaf rumors

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10-17-2003, 06:18 AM
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Hmmm, I think you are missing the point, and probably on purpose.
Sorry, no dice.

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Most of the flack that Ferguson got for the Gilmour situation wasn't based on his choice not to re-sign him, but rather the shabby, and very disrespectful manner in which he handled it.

On Day 1 on the job, without having talked to Gilmour, he told the media he wasn't in the plans of the Maple Leafs. A player like Gilmour, with his history with the hockey club, deserves better then to be called at home for his reaction to Ferguson's comments about his Leaf career being over. Common sense dictates he should have contacted Gilmour and told him he was not in the plans before telling the media.
I guess we have different definitions of shabby and disrespectful.

Probably because I remember Nielson being asked to wear a bag over his head.

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Worse yet, he cancelled the ice time that Gilmour had at the Leafs practice facility (Lakeshore Lions Arena) and didn't have the courtesy to tell Gilmour, actually letting Doug come to the rink and be refused.
No, he didn't. This was later proven to be false.

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Yeah, excellent move. Great idea to throw an asset away and get nothing back for your hockey club.

And Ferguson thought he was so "overpaid" and "hurting the club" that the first thing he tried to do after "getting rid of him" was to call the Blue Jackets and attempt to re-acquire him.

Nice revisionist history there, Pep.
Ummm...why are you putting 'getting rid of him' in quotes?

I think you're the one who's revising history here. Waivers is waivers, plus you have no clue how seriously he pursued getting him back.

Green isn't much of an asset, anyway.

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10-17-2003, 06:38 AM
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Yes, and if they go out and report rumor after rumor that's false they lose credablity and readers. Strachen is a very well connected writer, you may not what Domi to be traded but hes being shopped around.
Yes, the very same man who was ridiculed on The Satellite Hotstove on Saturday by John Davidson because "his" connections led him to believe that Bertuzzi wanted to be "the highest paid player in the game". The very same man who is loathed by most within the offices of The Toronto Sun. The very same man who had security get Joe Warmington (Scrawler) booted from the press tent at the winter olympics because he was having greater success in getting athletes quotes and photographs. The very same man that Brian Burke "loooves" so much.

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10-17-2003, 06:52 AM
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Yeah, but you have to seal a trade first for that to happen, and which GM is going to make an offer knowing that Domi won't report.
GM's do favours for each other all the time...

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10-17-2003, 06:58 AM
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..... The very same man who had security get John Worthington (Scrawler) booted from the press tent at the winter olympics because he was having greater success in getting athletes quotes and photographs. The very same man that Brian Burke "loooves" so much.
I wouldn't have thought Al would have so much influence at the Olympics that he could actually have someone booted. He's more powerful and connected then I thought.

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I wouldn't have thought Al would have so much influence at the Olympics that he could actually have someone booted. He's more powerful and connected then I thought.
Yeah, what actually happened was that Scrawler was in the press tent but didn't actually have a press pass for that particular area. Al Strachan went to security and pointed that out and said he shouldn't have been there. More a case of him being a "rat" than powerful.

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10-17-2003, 07:09 AM
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Yeah, what actually happened was that Scrawler was in the press tent but didn't actually have a press pass for that particular area. Al Strachan went to security and pointed that out and said he shouldn't have been there. More a case of him being a "rat" than powerful.
Yeah "rat" I could see.

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10-17-2003, 07:30 AM
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Reguardless if Strachen made it up or not, the Leafs kept THREE enforcers/tough guys guys, all of them would have to clear waivers to make to St. Johns. Use that brain god gave you figure out what that means.

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Reguardless if Strachen made it up or not, the Leafs kept THREE enforcers/tough guys guys, all of them would have to clear waivers to make to St. Johns. Use that brain god gave you figure out what that means.
No more Belak?

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10-17-2003, 08:07 AM
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Just for the record, the fan 590 is reporting that Domi claims he will "NOT" report to another team and that he'd sooner retire than leave the Leafs.

Bye bye rumours.
DOMI THREATENS RETIREMENT IF TRADED.

SLAM! HOCKEY: reports Toronto Maple Leafs tough-guy Tie Domi stated he'd consider retirement before accepting a trade. He dismissed yesterday's trade rumour from the Toronto Sun that he was being shopped, saying he intended on finishing his career as a Leaf. GM John Ferguson Jr. insists he isn't shopping the popular Domi.

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DOMI THREATENS RETIREMENT IF TRADED.

SLAM! HOCKEY: reports Toronto Maple Leafs tough-guy Tie Domi stated he'd consider retirement before accepting a trade. He dismissed yesterday's trade rumour from the Toronto Sun that he was being shopped, saying he intended on finishing his career as a Leaf. GM John Ferguson Jr. insists he isn't shopping the popular Domi.
Good for Domi. That's the type of attitude we should be seeing from our players.

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Good for Domi. That's the type of attitude we should be seeing from our players.
Of course you'll hear certain "other" posters claiming that if he's a team player then he'd do what's best for the team and accept a trade if proposed.

Just figured I'd throw that in before they do.

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Of course you'll hear certain "other" posters claiming that if he's a team player then he'd do what's best for the team and accept a trade if proposed.

Just figured I'd throw that in before they do.
Yeah, I can see a certain poster using that logic.

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