HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The Out of Town Thread part XXIII (All non Habs related news here)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-08-2011, 08:04 AM
  #76
Etienne
Registered User
 
Etienne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,838
vCash: 500
Carter is a goal scoring center therefore he'd fit a lot better on team with playmaking wingers. Just like Stamkos' career took off when he started playing with St-Louis. Habs' wingers on the top 6 are all snipers and 2 "best" centers, it feels wrong using that word for Gomez, are playmakers which is why we managed to push a SCF team to the brink in the first round despite a defensive style and so many injuries on the blueline. I love Carter, he's got a nasty shot and has the size we lack in the middle, but I don't think he's a good fit with the lineup we have.

Etienne is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 08:06 AM
  #77
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,033
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Etienne View Post
Carter is a goal scoring center therefore he'd fit a lot better on team with playmaking wingers. Just like Stamkos' career took off when he started playing with St-Louis. Habs' wingers on the top 6 are all snipers and 2 "best" centers, it feels wrong using that word for Gomez, are playmakers which is why we managed to push a SCF team to the brink in the first round despite a defensive style and so many injuries on the blueline. I love Carter, he's got a nasty shot and has the size we lack in the middle, but I don't think he's a good fit with the lineup we have.
Doubt the Flyers will wanna send him to another team in the East, I expect a trade with the Jackets and he will be teammate with Rick Nash

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 08:27 AM
  #78
OpenIceHit
Registered User
 
OpenIceHit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,327
vCash: 500
Isn't Bryzgalov the goalie Coyotes got for free a couple years ago?

As for the Flyers, I doubt they will get rid of Carter. Imo Hartnell would be the one to go is they need cap space.

OpenIceHit is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 08:42 AM
  #79
Protest the Hero
Registered User
 
Protest the Hero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,383
vCash: 500
Btw, a late, north-south, shoulder to the head check where the player was looking in another direction, where have I seen that before...


Protest the Hero is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 09:02 AM
  #80
PhysicX
Registered User
 
PhysicX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,310
vCash: 74
Quote:
Originally Posted by Less Habitats View Post
Why do you feed my inner rage towards Boston... I totally forgot about this. It's more of a cheap shot than anything, but shows that the consequence (injury) to the opposing player is taken into consideration.

*screams freaking loud at home*

PhysicX is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 09:45 AM
  #81
GoHomez
Registered User
 
GoHomez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 8 km from the Globe
Country: Sweden
Posts: 1,153
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenIceHit View Post
Isn't Bryzgalov the goalie Coyotes got for free a couple years ago?

As for the Flyers, I doubt they will get rid of Carter. Imo Hartnell would be the one to go is they need cap space.
Yes, picked off of waivers from the Ducks. If my memory serves me, Bryz had been promised more playing time or a trade. The Ducks GM then put him on waivers knowing Coyotes would pick him up and not be able to trade him to another contender. The Ducks still had Giguere, and Hiller waiting in the wings.

GoHomez is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 09:49 AM
  #82
GoHomez
Registered User
 
GoHomez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 8 km from the Globe
Country: Sweden
Posts: 1,153
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Less Habitats View Post
Btw, a late, north-south, shoulder to the head check where the player was looking in another direction, where have I seen that before...

Yes, by the new "standard", that would have been a four game suspension, no?
I wonder how many suspensions we will see next year?

Quote:
"Two factors were considered in reaching this decision," said NHL senior vice president of hockey operations Mike Murphy in a statement. "The hit by Rome was clearly beyond what is acceptable in terms of how late it was delivered after Horton had released the puck and it caused a significant injury."

"This has nothing to do with the stage, it's the play," Murphy added. "We looked at the injury and talked to Boston's medical people and it doesn't look good for Nathan to play in this series. This is not about what's happened in the past. This is my standard."
http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=368125

GoHomez is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 09:54 AM
  #83
Protest the Hero
Registered User
 
Protest the Hero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,383
vCash: 500
Yes if only Halpern was seriously injured on the play, maybe Ference could've been suspended for a couple of games.....

Isn't Mike Murphy's "standard" the same one he would have used in the Montreal-Boston series considering Campbell excuses himself from dealing with Boston discipline?

What's done is done. I apologize for bringing up more bad memories, I just wish the CBC or TSN would confront these guys. We have no power at all, so unless the big networks asked the important questions to the actual guys in charge, nothing will happen.

Protest the Hero is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 10:12 AM
  #84
OpenIceHit
Registered User
 
OpenIceHit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,327
vCash: 500
http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxLs-g9lPEc

What about this one? Pure madness!!

OpenIceHit is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 10:13 AM
  #85
habsrule22
Registered User
 
habsrule22's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Powassan, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,647
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Less Habitats View Post
Yes if only Halpern was seriously injured on the play, maybe Ference could've been suspended for a couple of games.....

Isn't Mike Murphy's "standard" the same one he would have used in the Montreal-Boston series considering Campbell excuses himself from dealing with Boston discipline?

What's done is done. I apologize for bringing up more bad memories, I just wish the CBC or TSN would confront these guys. We have no power at all, so unless the big networks asked the important questions to the actual guys in charge, nothing will happen.
Exactly, couldn't have said it better, were was the standard in the Halpern and Patch hits. The NHl has only themselves to blame for this mess. They have let things slide all year. Until they get there shyt together and apply consistency to their discipline, the league will always appear as 2 nd class. It looks good on the league that it has come back to bite them on the a$$ during the finals. Maybe it was the wake up call that has been long overdue.

habsrule22 is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 10:50 AM
  #86
googlymoogly
Registered User
 
googlymoogly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 8,421
vCash: 500
Murphy says if it wasn't a late hit then it wouldn't even be a penalty. He then says since it was late and caused an injury it deserves a suspension. In the Stanly Cup final it has a multiplier to regular season of around 4 or 5 games.

Under this very reasoning. Patches was hit late that caused an injury. Since it happened during the regular season then Chara should of gotten anywhere from 16 to 20 games compared to the Rome Cup finals suspension.

This is what Bruin fans fail to put together. They continually come up with the two hits were different from each other. The problem is Murphy agrees both hits were illegal under hockey rules whether you call the hit late or interference they caused serious injuries. So under his own words Chara should have been suspended.

Now the final conclusion, both of Murphy's rulings have favored towards the Bruins. He didn't even look at the dirty blindside hit of Ference on Halpern. Murphy seems to allow Boston extra leeway while heavily penalizing teams that may cause damage to Boston.

googlymoogly is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 11:07 AM
  #87
Etienne
Registered User
 
Etienne's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Montréal
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,838
vCash: 500
A nice summary of the last season under Campbell/Murphy:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.1.html

Etienne is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 11:18 AM
  #88
Habsawce
Registered User
 
Habsawce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 12,107
vCash: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by googlymoogly View Post
Murphy says if it wasn't a late hit then it wouldn't even be a penalty. He then says since it was late and caused an injury it deserves a suspension. In the Stanly Cup final it has a multiplier to regular season of around 4 or 5 games.

Under this very reasoning. Patches was hit late that caused an injury. Since it happened during the regular season then Chara should of gotten anywhere from 16 to 20 games compared to the Rome Cup finals suspension.

This is what Bruin fans fail to put together. They continually come up with the two hits were different from each other. The problem is Murphy agrees both hits were illegal under hockey rules whether you call the hit late or interference they caused serious injuries. So under his own words Chara should have been suspended.

Now the final conclusion, both of Murphy's rulings have favored towards the Bruins. He didn't even look at the dirty blindside hit of Ference on Halpern. Murphy seems to allow Boston extra leeway while heavily penalizing teams that may cause damage to Boston.

Yeah he did, they had a meeting on the phone. Ference told him it was an accident, that he saw him at the last second and braced for impact, Murphy bought it and they did nothing. He publicly stated that he believed Ference, yet he said about Rome that he felt for him but what he said has no bearing on his decision.


Last edited by Habsawce: 06-08-2011 at 11:23 AM.
Habsawce is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 11:29 AM
  #89
MTL-rules
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 6,237
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsawce View Post
Yeah he did, they had a meeting on the phone. Ference told him it was an accident, that he saw him at the last second and braced for impact, Murphy bought it and they did nothing. He publicly stated that he believed Ference, yet he said about Rome that he felt for him but what he said has no bearing on his decision.
Yeah, and he also believed his wardrobe malfunction excuses I guess...

These rulings are so unbelievably one-sided and biased... we can only laugh...

MTL-rules is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 11:33 AM
  #90
Habs 4 Life
No Excuses
 
Habs 4 Life's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Montreal
Country: Italy
Posts: 33,033
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by OpenIceHit View Post
Isn't Bryzgalov the goalie Coyotes got for free a couple years ago?

As for the Flyers, I doubt they will get rid of Carter. Imo Hartnell would be the one to go is they need cap space.
Hartnell has a NTC, that's what I saw on the Flyers board, Carter makes the most sense and also a trade that would bring back something very good. With JVR having a very good season and playoffs, flyers could afford to move Carter IMO

Habs 4 Life is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 12:36 PM
  #91
Habsawce
Registered User
 
Habsawce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 12,107
vCash: 200
Well Gomez was trainign with Biosteel and Cammalleri. If he continues to train with him this off season I believe he will be a 60+ point producer, he just lacks focus and will. Camms will help him with that.

I truly believe he was embarrassed last season and will be a great 2nd line center for us this season. Not 7.3 million good but he doesn't need to be, he just needs to be better than the other teams 2nd line center, which is plausible.

Carter has a long contract and would cost a lot to get. Just don't see how it's good for this team at this time, especially with Price and Subban coming up and Pacioretty getting a new deal this season.

Habsawce is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 01:37 PM
  #92
Protest the Hero
Registered User
 
Protest the Hero's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,383
vCash: 500
I know the Bruins fans said it, but didn't Ference also say Halpern should watch where he's skating or something? Don't you dare tell them that Horton should watch where he's skating though!

Protest the Hero is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 02:25 PM
  #93
Habsawce
Registered User
 
Habsawce's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 12,107
vCash: 200
Quote:
Originally Posted by Less Habitats View Post
I know the Bruins fans said it, but didn't Ference also say Halpern should watch where he's skating or something? Don't you dare tell them that Horton should watch where he's skating though!
It's futile to argue with Bruins fans, they'd rather pee on you!

Habsawce is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 03:37 PM
  #94
HomaridII
Registered User
 
HomaridII's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Montreal, Canada
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,779
vCash: 500
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
For what it's worth, amid all the Jeff Carter trade rumors, I am told PHI is not trying to move him and not planning to move him.

HomaridII is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 04:21 PM
  #95
Watsatheo
Error 503 Service
 
Watsatheo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 29,304
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by HomaridII View Post
TSNBobMcKenzie Bob McKenzie
For what it's worth, amid all the Jeff Carter trade rumors, I am told PHI is not trying to move him and not planning to move him.
Yeah I never understood the Carter trade rumours. They have almost zero prospect depth and they heavily rely on their current young forward core. I think they're going to keep Richards (1985), Giroux (1988), JVR (1989), Carter (1985) for a very long time. Two very good centers and two very good wingers (assuming JVR continues to progress). A good top two lines for a long time. The rest of the pieces they'll sign or trade for but those four I think they keep no matter what.

Watsatheo is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 05:12 PM
  #96
habsrule22
Registered User
 
habsrule22's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Powassan, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 1,647
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habsawce View Post
Well Gomez was trainign with Biosteel and Cammalleri. If he continues to train with him this off season I believe he will be a 60+ point producer, he just lacks focus and will. Camms will help him with that.

I truly believe he was embarrassed last season and will be a great 2nd line center for us this season. Not 7.3 million good but he doesn't need to be, he just needs to be better than the other teams 2nd line center, which is plausible.

Carter has a long contract and would cost a lot to get. Just don't see how it's good for this team at this time, especially with Price and Subban coming up and Pacioretty getting a new deal this season.
Hope your right, Gomez on a mission just might do it.

habsrule22 is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 05:18 PM
  #97
Teufelsdreck
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 14,264
vCash: 500
I kept wishing that thuggery wouldn't get a certain team this far into the playoffs. Well, at least the Canucks have some thugs of their own and don't come into the series unilaterally disarmed. How about a collision of matter and antimatter that results in mutual annihilation?

Teufelsdreck is offline  
Old
06-08-2011, 08:20 PM
  #98
old scotia
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 196
vCash: 500
Mike Murphy consulted Burke for suspension

http://www.torontosun.com/2011/06/07...er-leafs-burke

old scotia is offline  
Old
06-09-2011, 07:46 AM
  #99
nilan30
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 734
vCash: 500
Probably not the popular opinion around here but I would be a very happy man to not have Max Lapierre lift the cup over his head in he next week.

nilan30 is offline  
Old
06-09-2011, 08:54 AM
  #100
OpenIceHit
Registered User
 
OpenIceHit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,327
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Etienne View Post
A nice summary of the last season under Campbell/Murphy:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mul...content.1.html
Good summary of their ****** accomplishments. Thanks!

OpenIceHit is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:59 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.