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06-08-2011, 07:39 PM
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How about:

Colborne + Aulie + 25th Pick

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1st overall.
How about Omark, Plante and 31st for Shcenn. No? That's what Edmonton thinks about your deal.

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06-08-2011, 07:40 PM
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Because this isn't NHL 11.
Umm.. that doesn't even make sense?

I doubt that deal would even work in NHL 11.

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06-08-2011, 07:42 PM
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Marincin is a 6'5 puckmoving defenseman who plays with an edge. He had 56 points in his first year over in NA. I'd be hesitant to deal him alone for Kadri, and don't take that as me overvaluing Marincin at all. He's the real deal.
You'll have to enlighten me on the guy. What league did he play in this year?

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06-08-2011, 07:43 PM
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How about Omark, Plante and 31st for Shcenn. No? That's what Edmonton thinks about your deal.
Does anyone else think this is a fair comparison?

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You'll have to enlighten me on the guy. What league did he play in this year?
Played for Prince George in the WHL.

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Does anyone else think this is a fair comparison?
Yes.

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06-08-2011, 07:45 PM
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No, not a chance from Edmonton.

I don't get how Leafs fans think this is terrible for them.

1st = Schenn, 28th, 85th
19th and Marincin >>>>>> Kadri

I don't get it..
We value Kadri alot higher then you obviously.
I understand how you don't do this trade. That said Leafs say no just as quick as you.

Why we trade our young shut down defenseman for a pick is silly when we are trying to win. I know I know 1st overall OMGOMG , and all that.

No pick this year is a slam dunk like Hall or Tavares.
Good luck with the pick.

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Does anyone else think this is a fair comparison?
Not the point. Teams just don't trade 1st overall picks for a package full of "meh."

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06-08-2011, 07:48 PM
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Played for Prince George in the WHL.
CHL then. In that case then we don't need him. We have Blacker who got 54 points in the OHL and Gardiner who scored 41 points in the WCHA and was pretty solid for the Marlies.

The fact we have those two in the system makes it unnecessary to aquire Martin. Especially at the cost of Kadri.

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06-08-2011, 07:52 PM
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Your reallly overrating the Leafs players here. From what I've heard, Kadri didn't eve play center last year since his game is better suited for the wing, correct me if I'm wrong though. Even if he is a center, we have Gagner, who IMO will be better then Kadri but I can see why Leafs fans would want Kadri instead so it's up in the air but I like Gagner more. If RNH reaches his potential, which in my mind he will, he will be by far the best player in this draft, not Schenn. Marincin isn't a boom/bust pick, I don't know where your getting that from.


Schenn is the best player in this deal and its not even close.

Kadri is still very young and showed strides towards being able to handle himself physically, which is the only reason he played on the wall and not at center. The plan is for him to eventually play center maybe a year or two down the road.

Honestly, Kadri>RNH until RNH proves he can do anything.

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06-08-2011, 07:53 PM
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Not the point. Teams just don't trade 1st overall picks for a package full of "meh."
I don't know why they would even entertain offers on the pick. The Oilers are the team most in need of a top pick in the NHL in my opinion. They're going to value that pick more than anyone.

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06-08-2011, 07:58 PM
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How about Omark, Plante and 31st for Shcenn. No? That's what Edmonton thinks about your deal.
I dont see how thats not a fair deal to be honest. Colborne is projected to be a 1st line center and Aulie is projected to be a top 4 shutdown defenceman. On top of that you recieve a 1st rounder for an unproven potential 1st line centerman. Yeah, you Oilers reaaaally lose out on this one.

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06-08-2011, 08:00 PM
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Not the point. Teams just don't trade 1st overall picks for a package full of "meh."
Meh ?
Kadri and Schenn would be top 5 in this draft. And both have shown their games at the pro level. (one in the NHL and the other in the AHL)

How every one thinks Luke and Kadri have lost value is retarded.
Both are taking steps at reaching their high potential every year since they were drafted. Schenn has done this at the NHL level FFS.

No one is throwing you 2 young players that would be top 5 in this years draft for any pick this year .. including the 1st overall.

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06-08-2011, 08:02 PM
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Meh ?
Kadri and Schenn would be top 5 in this draft. And both have shown their games at the pro level. (one in the NHL and the other in the AHL)

How every one thinks Luke and Kadri have lost value is retarded.
Both are taking steps at reaching their high potential every year since they were drafted. Schenn has done this at the NHL level FFS.

No one is throwing you 2 young players that would be top 5 in this years draft for any pick this year .. including the 1st overall.
He was referring to my offer, not the original.

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And a potential top pairing dman, and 19th overall. RNH is more NHL ready than people think. Give him a year and he'll be tearing it up
Key word there is potential.

Schenn already has shown to be a good top 4, and by the end of next season can be top pairing.

RNH and Marincin haven't even played in the NHL or AHL and could end up being average NHLers, while Nazem has already shown to be able to play some good hockey against men.

Like I said, no way in hell from Leafs imo.

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06-08-2011, 08:05 PM
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Schenn is the best player in this deal and its not even close.

Kadri is still very young and showed strides towards being able to handle himself physically, which is the only reason he played on the wall and not at center. The plan is for him to eventually play center maybe a year or two down the road.

Honestly, Kadri>RNH until RNH proves he can do anything.
Genious logic.

And what is so ridiculous to saying Gagner will be better than Kadri? I think that's a pretty fair statement.

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06-08-2011, 08:06 PM
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I don't think either team would do it.

I can't comment on value, but I can on why this trade wouldn't be made. Let's face it. GM's ***** would be on the line if this trade occured. It's too risky. This applies for all major prospect trades. The potential for a lopsided trade is too great for a GM to consider it. As a Sens fan, I immediately think of:

Alexei Yashin


for


Jason Spezza, Zdeno Chara, Bill Muckalt

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Schenn is the best player in this deal and its not even close.

Kadri is still very young and showed strides towards being able to handle himself physically, which is the only reason he played on the wall and not at center. The plan is for him to eventually play center maybe a year or two down the road.

Honestly, Kadri>RNH until RNH proves he can do anything.
No offense, but Kadri hasn't really proven anything yet. He hasn't even played a season in the NHL. As far as I'm concerned, Kadri and RNH are both prospects. This isn't a prospect for legitimate NHLer.

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06-08-2011, 08:12 PM
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He was referring to my offer, not the original.
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Colborne + Aulie + 25th Pick
Is closer. It is still not meh.


I would be shocked if Oilers traded the 1st for anything other then another top10 pick + prospect/player. No one is in full rebuild mode then the Oilers themselves.

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06-08-2011, 08:13 PM
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I think it fills both teams needs pretty well, although the Oilers dont get that #1C, but still a strong candidate in Kadri.

I think if the draft goes well; Toronto can come out with something like:
#1 Ryan Nugent-Hopkins (hopeful #1C)
#19 Jamie Oleksiak (future Schenn replacement, albeit not quite as good)
#25 Oscar Klefbom
/Matt Puempel (Great d-man with top pairing potential/talented sniper)
Martin Marincin - Boom/Bust prospect, although I'd take the risk.

Edmonton gets something like:
Luke Schenn - I'm sorry, but he is the best player in the deal.
Nazem Kadri - Potential #1C, most likely a great #2/1b
29th overall - Solid prospect, like Jensen who is being compared to a Kulemin/Hartnell
85th overall - maybe take a chance on a boom/bust prospect? Something like NYI did with Kabanov last year.
Well if you followed the Oilers board you would know those 3 prospects is what we want, So why would we give up all 3 and if Schenn and Kadri are so much more valuable why would the leafs want to do this. In a nutshell Tambo would never touch this trade.

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Schenn is the best player in this deal and its not even close.

Kadri is still very young and showed strides towards being able to handle himself physically, which is the only reason he played on the wall and not at center. The plan is for him to eventually play center maybe a year or two down the road.

Honestly, Kadri>RNH until RNH proves he can do anything.
WTF, has Kadri proven?


No from the Oilers, I like Schenn but he's not a good puck mover, if Oilers want a defenseman they'll just draft Larsson.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Can't pass up on that.

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06-08-2011, 08:23 PM
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WTF, has Kadri proven?


No from the Oilers, I like Schenn but he's not a good puck mover, if Oilers want a defenseman they'll just draft Larsson.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Can't pass up on that.
PPG pace in the AHL on a bad team is nothing apparently?

Schenn is alot better of a puck mover than people give him credit for. Hes no Tomas Kaberle but he doesnt have stone hands. Hes got a solid 1st outlet pass.

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06-08-2011, 08:24 PM
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WTF, has Kadri proven?


No from the Oilers, I like Schenn but he's not a good puck mover, if Oilers want a defenseman they'll just draft Larsson.

Hall-RNH-Eberle
Can't pass up on that.
Point a game at the AHL level ?
Something you will be praying your 1st overall can do in his first N.A pro year. ..

Seriously ...

You think you are getting another Hall who is going to step in to the NHL or even the AHL and be a lock to not struggle you are kidding yourself.

And the Oilers would kill for Schenn gtfo with that BS

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Big no to the OP. We need a #1 C and have a shot at one. Why give that opportunity up?

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Drop Marincin and the 19th, add Hemsky.

Makes at least a little more sense for the Leafs but not much...

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