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06-09-2011, 01:11 PM
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Wolski + 15th Overall

Can this package get us into the top 10 of this years draft?

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Can this package get us into the top 10 of this years draft?
No. Wolski has zero trade value.

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Wolski has no value or possibly negative value

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The 15th alone probably has more value than15th + Wolski. That guy is negative help.

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It might get you into the top 20.

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17th-18th overall

Ok he has marginal value, but don't expect to get anything like moving up to top 10 with him.

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You talking about top 10 in 2nd round??

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I don't understand why you say he has no value. This guy is only 25 years old.

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I don't understand why you say he has no value. This guy is only 25 years old.
Steve Bernier is also only 25 years old.

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Steve Bernier is godly. Wolski + Bernier on my 3rd line = Stanley Cup

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I don't understand why you say he has no value. This guy is only 25 years old.
I think people are exaggerating saying he has no value but he certainly won't get you in the top 10 of the draft.

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I don't understand why you say he has no value. This guy is only 25 years old.
You mean his potential for future suckage is bigger than a player over 30 that sucks? I guess you have a point.

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17th-18th overall
I see the joke I came in here to make was already made.

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I see the joke I came in here to make was already made.
dang, I was beaten to it as well

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I'd give you the 19th overall for that package...

nevermind. Everyone else already told this one.

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So, lets play out this scenario. Let's say you can get inside the top 10.

To NYR:
9th Overall

To Bos:
Wolski
15th Overall


So boston moves down to aquire Wolski. The guy that is supposedly about to be bought out. If the Bruins (or any other team in the top10) wanted Wolski, wouldn't it make much more sense to just keep their top 10 pick and sign Wolski after he's bought out?????

Would (for example) the Bruins rather have Wolski+15th or Wolski+9th?
Tough call.

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I don't understand why you say he has no value. This guy is only 25 years old.
People have been saying "he's only XX years old" since he was 21. It might have held water then, but it's certainly no longer a valid excuse. If anything he has regressed since then and I think at this point it's reasonable to expect that the Wolski you're looking at right now is as good as he is ever going to be.

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Im really getting tired of seeing how stupid people are on this board. Wolski has value believe it or not. He is 25yo, had 1 bad season but still put up 35pts and being misused for most of his time in NY. when he was used properly he had 12pts in 18games. The guy has tons of talent, and yes is sometimes streaky, and plays lazy but im sure there are plenty of people who can see him turn it around and continue to be the 50pt producer he was throughout his entire career.

Its funny to see everyone come in here and say he has no value or negative value.. Ill bet it was the same people who came in here and told us that Kotalik, Higgins, and Gomez had negative value, yet we traded them for valuable peices in Prust and Mcdonagh along with the capspace in order to sign gaborik.

Personally i think that package would move us up to 9-11..

And if you continued to follow what is going on with the rangers you will see that wolski is NOT being bought out.

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06-09-2011, 02:28 PM
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As a Rangers fan, if we don't have a specific target on the board at #15, I'd gladly trade Wolski + #15 for something like #17/18/19 + 4th rounder if there was an interested team. The cap space is worth dropping a few spots.

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It might get you into the top 20.
Good one. Wasn't expecting to see that.

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As a Rangers fan, if we don't have a specific target on the board at #15, I'd gladly trade Wolski + #15 for something like #17/18/19 + 4th rounder if there was an interested team. The cap space is worth dropping a few spots.
no thanks. as a ranger fan im dissapointed in you. You would deal that for the 17/18/19th pick and a 4th rounder? Thats AWFUL. If we want or need the capspace we can just buy him out. Why get a wasted 4th rounder in a weak draft, and move back a couple of spots when we are giving up the better peices?

If we were just moving back a couple of spots we would surely get 17-20th pick and a 2nd rounder.. yet you want to move wolski with our 15th to move down a couple spots and get a WORSE pick? dude come on..

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no thanks. as a ranger fan im dissapointed in you. You would deal that for the 17/18/19th pick and a 4th rounder? Thats AWFUL. If we want or need the capspace we can just buy him out. Why get a wasted 4th rounder in a weak draft, and move back a couple of spots when we are giving up the better peices?

If we were just moving back a couple of spots we would surely get 17-20th pick and a 2nd rounder.. yet you want to move wolski with our 15th to move down a couple spots and get a WORSE pick? dude come on..
Wolski's buyout penalty isn't big, but removing the cap hit altogether rather than paying him over the next two years to not be on the team is always preferential. If we're considering buying him out than he is basically a throw-away. Like I said IF we don't have a specific target on the board, I have no problem moving down a couple of spots, picking up an extra pick later in the draft and ridding ourselves entirely of Wolski's contract without having to pay him a small portion over each of the next two seasons.

Maybe I should have said third instead of fourth, but I highly doubt anyone is giving up the 17-19th pick + 2nd rounder for 15th pick + Wolski, unless there's someone they're desperate to draft on the board at 15 that they think won't be there a couple of spots down. If Wolski is a throw-away (someone we're going to buy out) than his value is neutral. It's basically 15th + (negative cap space) for 17th + 4th rounder.

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Wolski's buyout penalty isn't big, but removing the cap hit altogether rather than paying him over the next two years to not be on the team is always preferential. If we're considering buying him out than he is basically a throw-away. Like I said IF we don't have a specific target on the board, I have no problem moving down a couple of spots, picking up an extra pick later in the draft and ridding ourselves entirely of Wolski's contract without having to pay him a small portion over each of the next two seasons.

Maybe I should have said third instead of fourth, but I highly doubt anyone is giving up the 17-19th pick + 2nd rounder for 15th pick + Wolski, unless there's someone they're desperate to draft on the board at 15 that they think won't be there a couple of spots down. If Wolski is a throw-away (someone we're going to buy out) than his value is neutral. It's basically 15th + (negative cap space) for 17th + 4th rounder.
First off if you look at Wolski's buyout hit against the cap, its $666,000 this season and $333,000 next season. I dont see this has a hinderence to anyone's cap at all. Why give up the better pick and the a player who is MUCH better than a crappy 3rd round pick in a weak draft to get a ****** return just to not have to pay a little less than 1m combined to him over the next 2 years? thats just TERRIBLE asset management.

Either way its a horrible deal for us. If you look at any trade from teams in the past about moving up in the draft you will see that moving up 4-6 spots in the draft costs a 2nd rounder. What your saying doesnt make sense. So the 15th pick alone is worth double the amount of the 15th plus wolski? Come on man.

Wolski is still a player that teams would give a 1yr chance on, bc all except for this year he has gotten 40+pts every season. Plus when he was playing for us in the right situation he had 12pts in 18games. it all depend on what situation and how much chance of success your giving him. By the way, Wolski is NOT being bought out.

If im doing the 15th pick alone, id want say the 25th and atleast the 39th overall. Thats to be expected.. Now you throw in Wolski who regardless of what you or anyone else thinks, the kid does have value.. So you would get more than just the 25th and 39th overall.

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Chalfdiggity3, I've noticed in a lot of Ranger threads that you vastly overrate the value of Rangers assets. And you are doing it again here.

He is on his third team in two years. He is vastly overpaid for what he brings. He has all the skill in the world and lower compete level than a arthritic castrated dog. He has now reached the full O'Sullivan and pretty much everyone knows that what you see is what you get.

Any team possibly interested in the services of Wolski will just wait for the Rangers to buy him out and throw him a last-chance-pity-contract. If Rangers don't buy him out, no one will trade for him, unless its one of those negative value for negative value deals.

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