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06-08-2011, 12:51 PM
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Hire Rick Dudley

... if he let go by Manitoba and not geting GM job elsewhere. The guy is a career AGM. We need AGM ever since Maloney left. Everywhere Rick went to the huge success was following.

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... if he let go by Manitoba and not geting GM job elsewhere. The guy is a career AGM. We need AGM ever since Maloney left. Everywhere Rick went to the huge success was following.
Schoenfeld is our Assistant GM, but I wouldn't be at all opposed to bringing Dudley in as an additional voice in the room.

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Schoenfeld is our Assistant GM, but I wouldn't be at all opposed to bringing Dudley in as an additional voice in the room.
Schoeney wears too many hats.

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If the Rangers were to hire him they should write in a no raccoon on your head clause.

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Schoeney wears too many hats.
This I agree with. And I dont think he wears any of them particularly well

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... if he let go by Manitoba and not geting GM job elsewhere. The guy is a career AGM. We need AGM ever since Maloney left. Everywhere Rick went to the huge success was following.
For real?

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So will he be singing a 20 year multi-million dollar deal with the Rangers ?

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO This guy is a train wreck. He paid Big Buf like he was an NHL star, no way. He mishandled Vinny Lecavalier and was hellbent on trading him, those were the worst days for Tampa. This guy can't hold a GM job for more than a year...I wonder why....chooo chooo.


Only Don Waddel thought it was a good idea to hire him because only the guy who was enough of schmuck to make the same mistake over and over with super stars on expiring contracts would need a GM this bad to make himself look good.

There is a reason why the Atlanta franchise failed. Stay away from these people.

You want to hire someone? Start with throwing money at Håkan Andersson or Jim Nill.

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For real?
He built CHI from top to bottom. Prior to that made OTT a powerhouse. Buff and Ladd are just a few of his CHI guys he was able to get. The top players he brought to CHI were not available to ATL.

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He built CHI from top to bottom. Prior to that made OTT a powerhouse. Buff and Ladd are just a few of his CHI guys he was able to get. The top players he brought to CHI were not available to ATL.
He was GM in Ottawa for one year.

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He was GM in Ottawa for one year.
He was promoted from AGM, I believe..

1996 -Chris Phillips
1997 - Marian Hossa
1998 - Mike Fisher
1999- Havlat, Kelly

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Possibly. He was the GM of their AHL affiliate.

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Possibly. He was the GM of their AHL affiliate.
Something Schoeney is.

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While in Chicago, Dudley was responsible for helping to acquire stars like Jonathan Toews, Patrick Kane, Kris Versteeg, Brian Campbell and Patrick Sharp.
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Dudley helped rebuild the Tampa Bay Lightning from a last place franchise to the 2004 Stanley Cup Champions and acquired stars such as Martin St. Louis, Dan Boyle, Nikolai Khabibulin, Dave Andreychuk and Fredrik Modin.
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In his radio interview after CHI won I remember him saying that the best job he ever had was an AGM where he can focus on scouting.


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He was promoted from AGM, I believe..

1996 -Chris Phillips
1997 - Marian Hossa
1998 - Mike Fisher
1999- Havlat, Kelly
As AGM does that mean he was responsible for those draft picks? In NY very often it's the Director of Player Personnel who is the head scout, making the picks. When it was left up to Maloney, when there was no DPP, it didn't go so well.

Most of Detroit's picks come from Håkan Andersson who is head of European scouting.

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In his radio interview after CHI won I remember him saying that the best job he ever had was an AGM where he can focus on scouting.
That doesn't mean amateur scouting. He could be pro scouting at the AHL level or pro scouting at the NHL and advising his GM on trades which is very likely. That doesn't mean he is strictly amateur scouting and controlling the draft like you would think. Teams scout other teams all the time, devise game plans as well as advise their GM on trades. Pro scout at the AHL level and monitor prospect development. Determine who can be moved, who can't. A GM needs eyes and ears all over the place and an AGM would be a part of that.

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I'd bring him in as a scout or something like that but anything more not really. He is a good talent evaluator but not GM material.

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Bring him in the organization and there's temptation to move him up the org chart. I don't want him near the organization at all. Hire someone else as a scout like I've mentioned before if that's what you need. He's proven he's a stud at it. Our US scouting is obviously covered by Gordie Clark. European Scouting can use an upgrade to the same kind of Elite status.

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As AGM does that mean he was responsible for those draft picks? In NY very often it's the Director of Player Personnel who is the head scout, making the picks. When it was left up to Maloney, when there was no DPP, it didn't go so well.

Most of Detroit's picks come from Håkan Andersson who is head of European scouting.


That doesn't mean amateur scouting. He could be pro scouting at the AHL level or pro scouting at the NHL and advising his GM on trades which is very likely. That doesn't mean he is strictly amateur scouting and controlling the draft like you would think. Teams scout other teams all the time, devise game plans as well as advise their GM on trades. Pro scout at the AHL level and monitor prospect development. Determine who can be moved, who can't. A GM needs eyes and ears all over the place and an AGM would be a part of that.
You can question me all you want, but to second guess nhl.com hardly makes much sense. If they say he was responsible, they know, job title doesn't matter. BTW, Director of Player Personnel is a fairly new invention, the front office of many teams don't have such position.

Sather no longer knows talent from bust. Messier is a contract guy and more of a manager than technical. Clark is very good scout, but far from elite Dudley is.


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