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Kostitsyn versus Pacioretty

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Andrei K 48 32.00%
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06-09-2011, 04:36 PM
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Kostitsyn versus Pacioretty

Who's the better player now, and long-term? Who do you expect to have the best season next season points-wise?

I'm hoping to see Pacioretty nets 25 goals, and pile up 50 points while I'm expecting Kostitsyn to get 30-30-60.

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06-09-2011, 04:38 PM
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In terms of shot and raw talent, Kostitsyn has the upper-hand in my opinion.

However, Pacioretty will most likely get more ice-time and playing with better players/more PP time.

If both are healthy for a full year, I expect Pacioretty to get maybe 5-10 more points than Andrei.

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expecting 30-30 for Kostitsyn is foolish. Also, given the high level of play Pacioretty put up last year he's probably a better bet for it than AK.

Next year Kostitsyn will probably be around 23-23-46 while I bet Pacioretty will be more like 25-28-53. A fair amount of the difference will be from Pacioretty's power play points where he has developed into a strong behind/in-front-of net player which compliments existing team PP talents. At even strength they will play similar roles and produce similarily with potentially either one having the better year.

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I could in theory see Andrei put up more points, but no doubt Patches will have a better season.

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Who's the better player now, and long-term? Who do you expect to have the best season next season points-wise?

I'm hoping to see Pacioretty nets 25 goals, and pile up 50 points while I'm expecting Kostitsyn to get 30-30-60.
If they got the same ice time I'd say AK but Pacioretty gets more top 6 and PP time so he'll likely have more points.

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06-09-2011, 04:50 PM
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A.Kost is the safer picks. Potential seasons (if all goes well):

AKost 23-28 = 51pts
Patch 20-25 = 45pts

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06-09-2011, 04:51 PM
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If Pacioretty doesn't have a Zednik-like reaction/syndrom after the devastating hit he took from Chara, I think it's fair to say the Habs will be counting on him to fulfill a pretty big offensive role next season. The way he was driving the net and shooting with confidence prior to his injury, I believe 30 goals is not out of question for him...

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06-09-2011, 04:54 PM
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AK is a more complete player IMO, especially with the way his defensive game got better last year. Max Pac plays well for 30 games and apparently he's suddendly our savior. Don't get me wrong, I loved his game last year as he was playing like we hoped he would but it's a real small sample size. Hopefully he comes back and plays at the same level of play he was when he got injured this year.

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They'll be in the same range point wise even if their abilities and play are different. Both will be inconsistent, Pacioretty because he is still a sophomore and AK because...well he's AK...lacks some "mental thoughness".

Otherwise both are absolutely necessary in our roster. Without them we are soft and small.

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I'm not that confident that Pacioretty will return as if nothing has happened. I think it'll take some time before he returns to form.

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06-09-2011, 05:08 PM
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I can see Patches outscoring Kostitsyn.

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For the time being, AK. Should be Pac in not too long. He hasn't proven that much yet compared to AK.

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06-09-2011, 05:25 PM
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AK and it's not close. Max hasn't proven much. 24 pts in 37 games. AK has had times where he's been a PPG for 10-15 games, small sample size doesn't mean much. I hope they compliment eachother.

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06-09-2011, 05:26 PM
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Right now? Kostitsyn. In the future? Who knows?

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Any given day Andre can look so talented ... Slashing to the net and getting that howitzer off

Than on another day he can't take a pass. He will make one of those crazy drop passes or he will trip over his own feet ...

His talent is not reliable, inconsistent. He is too slow with decisions and deliberate to take advantage of his athleticism

Pacioretty looke so impressive over his short period of good play last year ... However he suffered a massive head injury and has a few question marks of his own

I think you set the bar to high for these guys. A reasonable expectation might be 20 goals and good 2-way play

That'd be pretty good... I think Patches is better in the long run and now ... Assuming a full recovery

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this threads make me consider trying lars max and andrei on a line or for a pp.

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Look at it this way: a player's production is determined by his capacity to get the upper hand, playwise, and the skill to bank on that opportunity.

Patch is less skilled than AK. Less good shots, passing, etc...
But Patch has a much better hockey sense and he achieve play superiority much more often. AK seems to struggle to achieve superiority on the ice.. But when he does, SCORE!!!

AK on the 3rd line will outplay the other 3rd line about as much as any other 3rd liner, but his pure skill will make him score with a much, much higher regularity. See AK as an overskilled 3rd liner

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this threads make me consider trying lars max and andrei on a line or for a pp.
I know you said on the PP, but for fun let's picture this

(Pouliot/Jagr/Desharnais) - Plekanec - Cammalleri
Darche - Gomez - Gionta
Pacioretty - Eller - Kostitsyn
Moen - (Talbot/Pyat) - White

I kind of like it, but we have three offensive players with size and putting em all on the same line might not work.

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Any given day Andre can look so talented ... Slashing to the net and getting that howitzer off

Than on another day he can't take a pass. He will make one of those crazy drop passes or he will trip over his own feet ...

His talent is not reliable, inconsistent. He is too slow with decisions and deliberate to take advantage of his athleticism

Pacioretty looke so impressive over his short period of good play last year ... However he suffered a massive head injury and has a few question marks of his own

I think you set the bar to high for these guys. A reasonable expectation might be 20 goals and good 2-way play

That'd be pretty good... I think Patches is better in the long run and now ... Assuming a full recovery

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AK and it's not close. Max hasn't proven much. 24 pts in 37 games. AK has had times where he's been a PPG for 10-15 games, small sample size doesn't mean much. I hope they compliment eachother.
Before Chara showed his inhumanity for everyone to see, Pac had 17 points in 20 games (including that fateful game - 0 points).

Just saying, Pac was getting there, that's why some people will argue...

3 times Ak went close to 20 points in 20 games, and once he had something like 14 in 15.

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06-09-2011, 05:40 PM
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Pacioretty has the work ethic, determination and the line/ice time factor I'd be willing to bet, plus he's tremendously talented and big as well.

Kostitsyn has the hitting factor, he can be a gamebreaker at times and does possess the more high end talent. I do however think he'll be playing mostly with Eller on the 3rd line and will pot 25-25-50 respectively.

Pacioretty the opposite of the OP imo. I see him potting 30-30-60 while Gio puts up similar numbers and Gomez actually has a 5-55-60 type season too. I just have this insane gut feeling the stars are going to align for us this upcoming season. Gauthier should be fired if this team doesn't improve barring serious injuries. We're in a position to make this team a contender and I think with 4 solid lines and some good D on the back end we'll have no worries. Plus we have Price, nuff said?

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If both players play up to their potential : AK without a doubt
But to me, Max is a reliable player who has learned to play up to his potential more than AK. So I'm gonna go for Pac.

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Before Chara showed his inhumanity for everyone to see, Pac had 17 points in 20 games (including that fateful game - 0 points).

Just saying, Pac was getting there, that's why some people will argue...

3 times Ak went close to 20 points in 20 games, and once he had something like 14 in 15.
That's my point, 37 games is a small sample size and still his totals were comparable to AK's career highs. I think AK is still better.

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Before Chara showed his inhumanity for everyone to see, Pac had 17 points in 20 games (including that fateful game - 0 points).

Just saying, Pac was getting there, that's why some people will argue...

3 times Ak went close to 20 points in 20 games, and once he had something like 14 in 15.
Oddly enough a couple of those streaks were also ended via injury and another via personal life commotion.

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Kostitsyn has been my favourite Hab for several years now. However, Pacioretty was probably the best Hab by the time he was injured last year. Power forward. Period.

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