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06-11-2011, 07:21 AM
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sorry but the wiz is to sign in Detroit this off-season.

Montreal please leave him alone

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I'd rather let Wiz walk (be it to Toronto or to Detroit) and have Markov and Gorges signed.

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I'm a huge Gorges (and Habs are my favorite east team by far) fan, and I would like to know what would the Habs want for his rights, if they keep both Wiz and Markov.

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I'm a huge Gorges (and Habs are my favorite east team by far) fan, and I would like to know what would the Habs want for his rights, if they keep both Wiz and Markov.
just for fun. Barrie .

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I'm a huge Gorges (and Habs are my favorite east team by far) fan, and I would like to know what would the Habs want for his rights, if they keep both Wiz and Markov.
Mark Olver for thr rights to Gorges.

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just for fun. Barrie .
That could work, since we have an abundance of PMD's in prospect pool (Elliot, Chouinard, Barrie, Holos, Rutkowski), but outside of Gaunce they lack in defensive defensmen maybe Habs add a 3rd rounder. What do you think about the likes of Holos, Stoa, or rights to Flash.

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sorry but the wiz is to sign in Detroit this off-season.

Montreal please leave him alone
Markov is staying, and Gorges is staying, Wiz will have to take less than market value, or I see his rights being traded to the Wings...

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Mark Olver for thr rights to Gorges.
We already have a bunch of Center prospects. Not that I don't want him but we have Eller/DD/Leblanc/Enqvist/Natinen etc.

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06-11-2011, 11:17 AM
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I highly doubt Gorges is gone, fully expect him to get a multi year deal from the Habs.



If the Wiz is back then I assume something could be up with Spacek. I know there were rumors that he was considering retiring, but perhaps he could be moved to a team needing help on the blueline, since he would come cheap.
35+ rule, even if spaceman retires his salary counts againist the cap.

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35+ rule, even if spaceman retires his salary counts againist the cap.
I think that the 35+ rule is for downgrading players to the AHL. I don't think his salary counts against the cap if he does indeed retire.

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I think that the 35+ rule is for downgrading players to the AHL. I don't think his salary counts against the cap if he does indeed retire.
The "35-and-Older" Clause:

•When a player aged 35 or older signs a multi-year contract, his average salary is counted against the team's salary cap during every year of the contract, even if the player retires before the contract is up
•If the player is sent to the minor leagues, his cap hit is reduced by $100,000.
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The "35-and-Older" Clause:

•When a player aged 35 or older signs a multi-year contract, his average salary is counted against the team's salary cap during every year of the contract, even if the player retires before the contract is up.
Did not know that. Thank you.

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Did not know that. Thank you.
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So the gist of the rumor is that were gonna sign wiz and marky?

So lets take a quick look at the roster as it stands and figure out if this is possible,

xxxx-Plek(5)-Cammy(6)
Patches(1.75)-Gomez(7.3)-Gionta(5)
Kostitsyn(3.25)-Eller(1.1)-White/Desharnais(.75/1)
Darche(.7)-White/Desharnais(.75/1)-Moen(1.5)
Pyatt(.75)

Price(2.75)
xxxx

Markov(xxxx)-Wiz(xxxx)
Subban(.875)-Gill(2.25)
Emelin(.875?)-Gorges(xxxx)
weber(.75)

This assumes that spacek can indeed be traded,

without the xxxx's its about 41.6

Assuming caps about 63 like were hearing, that gives us 21.4 to sign a 40 point winger markov wiz and gorges along with a backup,

So the backup would get roughly a mil like auld so that's 20.4 left

Gorges is probably gonna get around 3.5m leaves about 16.9 left,

Markov if he signs a long term like 6 year deal would probably get around 5 but he'll likely only sign for 2 years at 5.75, leaves us about 11.15

Wiz wants around between 4.5-5.5, so you can assume if they do sign him itll be for about four years at 5.25. Leaves us about 5.9 mil

The winger wants about 3.5m usually, so that takes them too 2.4m cap space


Winger(3.5)-Plek(5)-Cammy(6)
Patches(1.75)-Gomez(7.3)-Gionta(5)
Kostitsyn(3.25)-Eller(1.1)-Desharnais(1)
Darche(.7)-White(.75)-Moen(1.5)
Pyatt(.75)

Markov(5.5)-Wiz(5.25)
Subban(.875)-Gill(2.25)
Emelin(.875)-Gorges(3.25)
Weber(1)

Price(2.75)
Backup(1)

Cap used would be 60.35

Leaves a bit of money for moderate raises to price and subban but you can almost guarantee that if this is the roster then gomez will be gone after next year to give price 5 and subban 3-4. Hell it could be done with spacek as the seventh but Ive got a vibe that it would be tight to the hilt with that.

Jesus though if they could amass that D the montreal Defense could realistically put up 160+ points, I drool at thinking of that in front of Price, it be damn near unstoppable.

Also worth mentioning is that Montreal has a few defensive defenseman prospects in the fold such as Nash and tinordi and replacing Gill may not be as hard as it seems in a year or two so that 2.25 could be added, its just the pacioretty subban and price contracts thatll cause the fuss

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sorry but the wiz is to sign in Detroit this off-season.

Montreal please leave him alone
You shut up, youve had your 20 years of fun i want my turn

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According to the team990 Montreal,
Tony Marinaro stated that from a reliable source, the habs will resign both Markov and Wizniewski before July 1st.

LOL yeah looking forward to that

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LOL yeah looking forward to that
It can be done, however the cap hell would be horrendous

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So the gist of the rumor is that were gonna sign wiz and marky?

So lets take a quick look at the roster as it stands and figure out if this is possible,

xxxx-Plek(5)-Cammy(6)
Patches(1.75)-Gomez(7.3)-Gionta(5)
Kostitsyn(3.25)-Eller(1.1)-White/Desharnais(.75/1)
Darche(.7)-White/Desharnais(.75/1)-Moen(1.5)
Pyatt(.75)

Price(2.75)
xxxx

Markov(xxxx)-Wiz(xxxx)
Subban(.875)-Gill(2.25)
Emelin(.875?)-Gorges(xxxx)
weber(.75)

This assumes that spacek can indeed be traded,

without the xxxx's its about 41.6

Assuming caps about 63 like were hearing, that gives us 21.4 to sign a 40 point winger markov wiz and gorges along with a backup,

So the backup would get roughly a mil like auld so that's 20.4 left

Gorges is probably gonna get around 3.5m leaves about 16.9 left,

Markov if he signs a long term like 6 year deal would probably get around 5 but he'll likely only sign for 2 years at 5.75, leaves us about 11.15

Wiz wants around between 4.5-5.5, so you can assume if they do sign him itll be for about four years at 5.25. Leaves us about 5.9 mil

The winger wants about 3.5m usually, so that takes them too 2.4m cap space


Winger(3.5)-Plek(5)-Cammy(6)
Patches(1.75)-Gomez(7.3)-Gionta(5)
Kostitsyn(3.25)-Eller(1.1)-Desharnais(1)
Darche(.7)-White(.75)-Moen(1.5)
Pyatt(.75)

Markov(5.5)-Wiz(5.25)
Subban(.875)-Gill(2.25)
Emelin(.875)-Gorges(3.25)
Weber(1)

Price(2.75)
Backup(1)

Cap used would be 60.35

Leaves a bit of money for moderate raises to price and subban but you can almost guarantee that if this is the roster then gomez will be gone after next year to give price 5 and subban 3-4. Hell it could be done with spacek as the seventh but Ive got a vibe that it would be tight to the hilt with that.

Jesus though if they could amass that D the montreal Defense could realistically put up 160+ points, I drool at thinking of that in front of Price, it be damn near unstoppable.

Also worth mentioning is that Montreal has a few defensive defenseman prospects in the fold such as Nash and tinordi and replacing Gill may not be as hard as it seems in a year or two so that 2.25 could be added, its just the pacioretty subban and price contracts thatll cause the fuss

Awesome post.

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Markov is staying, and Gorges is staying, Wiz will have to take less than market value, or I see his rights being traded to the Wings...
Or to Toronto if they beat the Wings to it.

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So the gist of the rumor is that were gonna sign wiz and marky?

So lets take a quick look at the roster as it stands and figure out if this is possible,

xxxx-Plek(5)-Cammy(6)
Patches(1.75)-Gomez(7.3)-Gionta(5)
Kostitsyn(3.25)-Eller(1.1)-White/Desharnais(.75/1)
Darche(.7)-White/Desharnais(.75/1)-Moen(1.5)
Pyatt(.75)

Price(2.75)
xxxx

Markov(xxxx)-Wiz(xxxx)
Subban(.875)-Gill(2.25)
Emelin(.875?)-Gorges(xxxx)
weber(.75)

This assumes that spacek can indeed be traded,

without the xxxx's its about 41.6

Assuming caps about 63 like were hearing, that gives us 21.4 to sign a 40 point winger markov wiz and gorges along with a backup,

So the backup would get roughly a mil like auld so that's 20.4 left

Gorges is probably gonna get around 3.5m leaves about 16.9 left,

Markov if he signs a long term like 6 year deal would probably get around 5 but he'll likely only sign for 2 years at 5.75, leaves us about 11.15

Wiz wants around between 4.5-5.5, so you can assume if they do sign him itll be for about four years at 5.25. Leaves us about 5.9 mil

The winger wants about 3.5m usually, so that takes them too 2.4m cap space


Winger(3.5)-Plek(5)-Cammy(6)
Patches(1.75)-Gomez(7.3)-Gionta(5)
Kostitsyn(3.25)-Eller(1.1)-Desharnais(1)
Darche(.7)-White(.75)-Moen(1.5)
Pyatt(.75)

Markov(5.5)-Wiz(5.25)
Subban(.875)-Gill(2.25)
Emelin(.875)-Gorges(3.25)
Weber(1)

Price(2.75)
Backup(1)

Cap used would be 60.35

Leaves a bit of money for moderate raises to price and subban but you can almost guarantee that if this is the roster then gomez will be gone after next year to give price 5 and subban 3-4. Hell it could be done with spacek as the seventh but Ive got a vibe that it would be tight to the hilt with that.

Jesus though if they could amass that D the montreal Defense could realistically put up 160+ points, I drool at thinking of that in front of Price, it be damn near unstoppable.

Also worth mentioning is that Montreal has a few defensive defenseman prospects in the fold such as Nash and tinordi and replacing Gill may not be as hard as it seems in a year or two so that 2.25 could be added, its just the pacioretty subban and price contracts thatll cause the fuss


For team like Montreal that is rolling in cash, cap unused is cap wasted. They can spend to the hilt this year and then the next use the expiry of Spacek, Moen, Gill, and the Laraque buyout to accomadate raises.

Or since this is a bad year for UFA forwards, they can stand pat with the forwards they have, confidant that they are good enough to keep them in playoff position. Then use extra space for deadline upgrades. This way they also don't need to look for a buyer for Spacek until other teams defensive injuries pile up. A lot of fans have got it in their heads that bringing Markov and Wisniewski back will lead to cap hell. This is not the case.

Not mention, if the cap keeps getting raised like it has there will continually be new money to spend each summer.

The other thing is that Gomez will be a lot more tradeable next summer when his real salary declines and he bounces back from a career low season. That'll give all the space necessary.

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Simple, a health Markov is a top ten defenseman in the league. He is the type of player you take a gamble on despite injury woes because the reward is so significant. With him, Wisniewski and Gorges signed, Montreal would have one of the strongest defensive cores league wide. Walking away from Markov would be absolutely moronic for management.

My assumption is Markov is inked to his current salary ($5.75m) for a season or two, Wisniewski takes $4.5m and Gorges wraps up $2.0m. Going over capgeek with those numbers, the Habs would still having over five million to play with. I included the relatively minor raises to Desharnais and Pacioretty, in addition to leaving Spacek on the roster as an eighth defenseman. So we can easily afford all three and still sign a decent UFA.
I suspect Gorges will make more like something in the 3.25 range.

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I suspect Gorges will make more like something in the 3.25 range.
no way in hell he signs for more than 3.

I think it will be 2.5 x 3.

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Unless the injury is going to affect negotiations, I would be perfectly content with a 3mil signing.

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Or to Toronto if they beat the Wings to it.
Nah...we'll take Markov.

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