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06-11-2011, 06:37 PM
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4 million for 3 years is far too much for Zenon Konopka.

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06-11-2011, 06:52 PM
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It would be easier to get one next year, since Blake is coming off the books, and the FA market is better next year.
Next year's FA market always looks like it'll be much stronger during this time of year.

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06-11-2011, 07:07 PM
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Ducks had one that is now playing in the Stanley Cup Finals, in fact, he scored the game winning goal in game 5.

Maxim Lapierre

What would the Ducks be willing to give up for his RFA rights? Or even throw an offer sheet.

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06-11-2011, 07:12 PM
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I'm sorry but i thought we needed a 2nd line center to play with Bobby and the ...../Koivu/Selanne would be our third line.
IMO it's a much more ideal solution then signing a 3rd line center, but it's also much more difficult because there arent many who fit the bill in free agency. Not sure how many candidates there are in next offseasons free agent market, but IMO it's smarter for Murray to do everything he can to address it this offseason since we have the Finns under contract this upcoming season (just a matter of time for teemu IMO). A Koivu-Selanne 3rd line would mean excellent depth.

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06-11-2011, 08:31 PM
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Ducks had one that is now playing in the Stanley Cup Finals, in fact, he scored the game winning goal in game 5.

Maxim Lapierre

What would the Ducks be willing to give up for his RFA rights? Or even throw an offer sheet.
Nothing. He didn't fit in here and played himself out of a spot. He wasn't terrible but being outplayed by Todd Marchant pretty much gets you booted.

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Brian Boyle for a 2nd round pick

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06-11-2011, 09:24 PM
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Nothing. He didn't fit in here and played himself out of a spot. He wasn't terrible but being outplayed by Todd Marchant pretty much gets you booted.
what the heck are you talking about? The Lappy trade to the Nucks was the worst trade the Ducks have made since the Blake trade. Lappy was playing good but only got 3-4 minutes a night alongside Parros and Marchant/Chipchura. He had no one to help and definitely needed to be playing alongside some better players. He got in RC's dog house and once you are there you can't get out. Just ask Ryan Carter, Brendan Mikkelson, Kyle Chipchura (I can go on and on). I still think BM should have kept Mike Brown and Maxim Lappierre.
A 4th line of
Brown - Lappy - Parros
would be great to rough things up and piss of opponents.

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06-11-2011, 09:38 PM
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They need to spend money and get someone good. I would go for Laich. Marchant sucked and let them down last year, the top two lines and the D are very solid.

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(...) He got in RC's dog house and once you are there you can't get out. Just ask Ryan Carter, Brendan Mikkelson, Kyle Chipchura (I can go on and on).
To be fair, Lapierre is the only one of those that has done anything afterwards to suggest he might have been misplaced in the doghouse. He really didn't fit too well in his short stint here. Who knows how things would have worked in the longer run, but it's fairly safe to say that he is not going to be an option moving forward for us.

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I'm sorry but you are blowing the Lappy trade way out of proportion and ive *****ed about Murray more then most Duck fans. Lappy wasn't bad, but he did nothing to prove that he was 3rd line center material. I actually would have preferred him as the 4th line center but we already had a pleothra of those and he was the easiest to move. I wouldn't say Marchant outplayed him, but Marchant also helps more in other areas. Whether he didn't fit in Carlyle's system, or simply didn't want to be here, he was just no where near the player he's been for the Canucks.

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06-11-2011, 10:28 PM
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I like J Staal, but wed be getting him to play with Bobby Ryan, not trade Bobby for him. And even if we were, Ryan >> Staal
What if Shero said please? Neal-Crosby-Ryan would be the stuff of my NHL 11 teams.

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Surprised Talbot hasn't been mentioned. I don't know how many points you would want out of a third liner and if mid 20's would be enough.

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Surprised Talbot hasn't been mentioned. I don't know how many points you would want out of a third liner and if mid 20's would be enough.
As someone whose seen plenty of the Penguins, Talbot's a guy I'd like to have.

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You sign Zenon Koneka to center the 3rd line and sign Joel Ward to the wing and through in either DSP or Mcmillian and you have your bottom six set and you only spent about 5-6 million on the bottom 6.
So if the Ducks had kept Brown, Lappy and signed Joel Ward and Koneka.
Ducks would look like this...

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Ryan Getzlaf ($5.325m) / Corey Perry ($5.325m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
Jason Blake ($4.000m) / Saku Koivu ($2.500m) / Teemu Selanne ($3.000m)
Brandon McMillan ($0.875m) / Zenon Koneka ($0.875m) / Joel Ward ($1.250m)
George Parros ($0.875m) / Maxim Lapierre ($1.100m) / Mike Brown ($0.700m)
/ / Matt Beleskey ($0.737m)

DEFENSEMEN
Lubomir Visnovsky ($5.600m) / Toni Lydman ($3.000m)
Luca Sbisa ($2.175m) / Francois Beauchemin ($3.800m)
Andy Sutton ($2.125m) / Cam Fowler ($1.400m)
Sheldon Brookbank ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonas Hiller ($4.500m) / Dan Ellis ($1.500m)

BUYOUTS: Nathan Oystrick ($0.183m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $61,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $56,695,833; BONUSES: $710,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $4,304,167
Then you have room to go get a top 4 dman AND a goalie if need be...

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06-12-2011, 03:26 AM
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Lapierre looked good when he first came, but after that it was all about Lupul and McMillan on the 3rd line. Lapierre was devoted to the 4th line because of this.

Konopka and Lapierre can just barely produce Pahlsson numbers combined... Neither is 3rd line material, although I'd like to have Konopka back on the 4th line because of his faceoff and PK ability.

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Brian Boyle for a 2nd round pick
Really? Done from Ducks side without thinking twice...

I'd think NYR would want more than a 2nd round pick for a big guy like Boyle who had a pretty decent season with 20 goals.

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Zenon Konopka should not be centring the 3rd line. He's great on faceoffs, willing to fight anyone but he's slow, has no offensive ability and isn't good defensively.

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I'm sorry but you are blowing the Lappy trade way out of proportion and ive *****ed about Murray more then most Duck fans. Lappy wasn't bad, but he did nothing to prove that he was 3rd line center material. I actually would have preferred him as the 4th line center but we already had a pleothra of those and he was the easiest to move. I wouldn't say Marchant outplayed him, but Marchant also helps more in other areas. Whether he didn't fit in Carlyle's system, or simply didn't want to be here, he was just no where near the player he's been for the Canucks.

Ducks maybe should have been a little more patient with Lappy. I think he is the type of player to drive you crazy in the regular season but rewards you in the post-season by elevating his game to another level as demonstrated in Van (best line in SCF) and Montreal.

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Brian Boyle for a 2nd round pick
Yeah, if this was the asking price for Brian Boyle. Montreal would easily be willing to pay it or more. I'd say a first is not entirely out of the question. Boyle is exactly what the Habs need. That said, I am not certain not Ranger fans feel the same way you do.

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Ducks maybe should have been a little more patient with Lappy. I think he is the type of player to drive you crazy in the regular season but rewards you in the post-season by elevating his game to another level as demonstrated in Van (best line in SCF) and Montreal.
The Ducks aren't deep enough to carry players who don't show up during the regular season. Lappy was in a competition with several other centers for playing time and he played like crap. He simply didn't fit here. He would have been a nice 4th line center but like I said, we already had plenty of them.

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Really? Done from Ducks side without thinking twice...

I'd think NYR would want more than a 2nd round pick for a big guy like Boyle who had a pretty decent season with 20 goals.
its only the RFA Rights to Brian Boyle so thats prolly why. and maybe the Rangers dont wanna pay him? i dunno

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