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06-12-2011, 01:47 PM
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He's pretty bad defensively, and yes when he was still with hamilton I was still catching quite a few games. Has nothing to do with him not being a 'defensive minded forward'. To get away with lackluster defensive play, he'd need to have offensive or physical talents of a kostitsyn or whatever. He doesn't. Might be Corey Locke 2.0 imo. Maybe he gets to the NHL in a darche sort of role.
I don't disagree necessarily, but just don't want to write him off just yet. At this point he's an AHL player, but maybe under Cunneyworth's more defensive minded system he'll start to see the light. Or not. I kind of like that he's a feisty player; to me that means that he's the potential to turn into a player that's tough to play against.

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06-12-2011, 01:51 PM
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If he signed with MTL, it will be him or Pouliot on Desharnais wing. Trotter, Pouliot are not enough good to be in a steady top 6 and they both are ''ordinaire'' in the defensive zone. If you go with Trotter, it will cost you approx. 700 000$ less and will contribute well alongside Desharnais and White/Darche.
If Trotter is signed, i see him more as a replacement for Dawes than anything else.

The NHL team does not get better next season with Trotter in the lineup.

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06-12-2011, 01:57 PM
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If true I also see this as a dept move. But then again, I have not seen him play.. He might be better then I give him credit for...

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06-12-2011, 02:04 PM
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Ideally, you want fill up your bottom 6 with players who first and foremost understand their role on the team. Ryan White is a perfect example. So is Moen and Darche. Pyatt does too, but i'm pretty sure we can find better than him. You want guys who can put the puck in the net, but understand that their primary role is to check the opposing team hard and put in as many quality shifts as possible. If Trotter is like everyone says, well then he doesn't really fit into that category, and i'd argue neither does Pouliot. But if one of them has a training camp where they display those kind of traits, i don't see why either them don't stand a shot.
Everyone on the Habs bottom six had a role last year.
-Pyatt and Moen were PK wingers and defensive specialists
-Halpern was a PK and defensive specialist center and face off ace
-Desharnais and Pouliot were the tertiary scoring to exploit other teams goon and energy lines.
-Darche played a bottom-six power forward role.
-Eller was a two-way talent that anchored whatever line he was on but was not ready for top-6 responsibilities.
-White was an energy and checking role with middleweight fighting ability.

Typically the lines were set up as:
3rd line: Tertiary match up line, emphasis on defense

Moen-Eller/Halpern-Darche/Pyatt

4th line: Counter-goon line to score against the terrible players that make up other teams goon and energy role 4th lines.

Pouliot-Eller/Desharnais-Darche/Pyatt/White

This is why the Habs aren't going to build the goon-energy 4th line that so many people seem to want. They have it too good with the teritiary scoring talent generating offense while facing those guys. Building a energy line is declining the advantage their depth of talent offers on the alter of lame conventional thinking.

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06-12-2011, 02:06 PM
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Even if he is... don't want him back. This is karma. Don't wanna work for your chance and play within the system, then GTFO. And that he did. Now he wants back? I wouldn't do it.

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06-12-2011, 02:12 PM
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Even if he is... don't want him back. This is karma. Don't wanna work for your chance and play within the system, then GTFO. And that he did. Now he wants back? I wouldn't do it.
Still unclear whether it was all his choice. He would have needed to clear waivers to go back to Hamilton, since there was no spot for him to start the year in Montreal, perhaps he was "encouraged" to sign in the KHL to protect his rights with the organization and mature another year in his development?.

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Still unclear whether it was all his choice. He would have needed to clear waivers to go back to Hamilton, since there was no spot for him to start the year in Montreal, perhaps he was "encouraged" to sign in the KHL to protect his rights with the organization and mature another year in his development?.
Everyone in the NHL knows the risk of players going for the KHL and not coming back especially for average players like him. I doubt they would tell him "go play in the KHL so we can keep your rights for a bit"

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If he signed with MTL, it will be him or Pouliot on Desharnais wing. Trotter, Pouliot are not enough good to be in a steady top 6 and they both are ''ordinaire'' in the defensive zone. If you go with Trotter, it will cost you approx. 700 000$ less and will contribute well alongside Desharnais and White/Darche.

edit: well, Talks to Goalposts sees it like me, Talentwise, Pouliot his better but cost more
Desharnais will be Eller's winger. So yeah, I don't Trotter is a good fit at all.

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06-12-2011, 02:22 PM
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I need some information on this guy. I know the name, but would like to know more about him such as if hes a goal scorer, Good on the PK or PP, physical, bottom 6 forward? If anyone thats seen him play could fill me in then thatd be great.

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06-12-2011, 02:34 PM
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Desharnais will be Eller's winger. So yeah, I don't Trotter is a good fit at all.
AK will be Eller's winger. Not DD.

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06-12-2011, 02:40 PM
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Before this article came to light there were numerous rumblings that he signed for mtl and/or returning to Hamilton, all this was happening on twitter...so when I came across this article I thought...more smoke but still no fire...

I find it hard to believe BT would take a pay cut to return to the bulldogs, he only finished 8th in scoring on his team but that is more than likely because he was used in a limited role at first and/or the adjustment of playing on the larger ice surface...by the time the playoffs came around he established him self 2nd leading scorer with 9pts in 11 games.

Id consider bringing him to dev. camp #2 to take a look at him, maybe even camp but I really dont see him taking a paycut in hamilton if anything he will move to a better khl club or remain at riga to establish himself even more.

There is a chance PG wants him, and a certain type of contract...could allow him to make KHL money if he was ever demoted to Hamilton.

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06-12-2011, 02:42 PM
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I need some information on this guy. I know the name, but would like to know more about him such as if hes a goal scorer, Good on the PK or PP, physical, bottom 6 forward? If anyone thats seen him play could fill me in then thatd be great.
Another small/or average player.Not tough either.What else would you think PG is going to do?

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06-12-2011, 02:47 PM
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AK will be Eller's winger. Not DD.
Unless I'm terribly mistaken, a center has two guys on his wing, no?

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06-12-2011, 02:49 PM
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Unless I'm terribly mistaken, a center has two guys on his wing, no?
Yea Yea. But JM was playing Moen or White on that wing . Not DD.

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Even if he is... don't want him back. This is karma. Don't wanna work for your chance and play within the system, then GTFO. And that he did. Now he wants back? I wouldn't do it.
Sometimes, when they are building an organization, GM's need to put their egos aside. Doesn't sound like you have cleared that hurdle

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Yea Yea. But JM was playing Moen or White on that wing . Not DD.
and? Why assume what was done last year is going to happen next year?

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Even if he is... don't want him back. This is karma. Don't wanna work for your chance and play within the system, then GTFO. And that he did. Now he wants back? I wouldn't do it.
why are u taking this so personally.
think about this logically or from a business pov
250,000>60,000
and with the extra money he made, maybe now he wont mind spending another year or half year in hamilton

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Everyone in the NHL knows the risk of players going for the KHL and not coming back especially for average players like him. I doubt they would tell him "go play in the KHL so we can keep your rights for a bit"
If your options were lose him on waivers for nothing or risk losing him to the KHL but still retaining his NHL rights, the decision is an easy one, especially as you put it him being only an "average" player.

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Even if he is... don't want him back. This is karma. Don't wanna work for your chance and play within the system, then GTFO. And that he did. Now he wants back? I wouldn't do it.
Twilight zone time.

When Trotter signed with Riga last year, the consensus here was that this was a good move for the Habs, as Trotter would be playing in a better league than the AHL, and we would still have his rights if he improved, rather than lose him to waivers.

Now he follows the plan, wants to come back in one year to give it a shot, and people are crapping on him for getting the one year experience?

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Not to say that he is a reputable source, but Steven Hindle seems to claim that Trotter is back with the Bulldogs this season also.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steve...ghts/139/36345

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Not to say that he is a reputable source, but Steven Hindle seems to claim that Trotter is back with the Bulldogs this season also.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steve...ghts/139/36345
Would be nice to sign him to a cheap 1 way contract, that way the cahnces of getting picked on waivers is lower.

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Would be nice to sign him to a cheap 1 way contract, that way the cahnces of getting picked on waivers is lower.
I agree. And I'd like him getting a shot at the NHL this season. Maybe he could be our Jagr

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and? Why assume what was done last year is going to happen next year?
Sorry. Was just saying that is how it happened this year and it was a solid line. It could happen again that's all.

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Not to say that he is a reputable source, but Steven Hindle seems to claim that Trotter is back with the Bulldogs this season also.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steve...ghts/139/36345
I don't know why someone would make this up. There's nothing to gain by fabricating a story about an AHLer, lol. If it's not true i'd kind of be shocked.

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Meh if he's signed, meh if he isn't.

I'd rather use that money to sign Alexandre Giroux for Hamilton.

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