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06-12-2011, 01:19 PM
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I can't imagine us going into the upcoming season with Richardson as one of our centers. That would mean the team is moving backwards.

If the Kings don't sign Richards, then one of Loktionov/Schenn is almost assured a spot in the lineup. I still think there's room for both of them on the team.

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06-12-2011, 01:44 PM
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I can't imagine us going into the upcoming season with Richardson as one of our centers. That would mean the team is moving backwards.

If the Kings don't sign Richards, then one of Loktionov/Schenn is almost assured a spot in the lineup. I still think there's room for both of them on the team.
I don't think there is any room for both. Kopitar, Stoll and Lewis will be at center. If Richardson is at LW, then they still have Penner, Smyth and Clifford at that position. Which leaves one center spot available for either one of Loktionov or Schenn.

As for Dwight King. He was put in a no-win situation during his call-up, he was misused being placed on the top line. I think breaking him in as a fourth line winger would be the right way to go. I'm not opposed to seeing Bud Holloway up here as well, but we have yet to see what he can do. Maybe they'll give him a better look at preseason this year.

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I don't think there is any room for both. Kopitar, Stoll and Lewis will be at center. If Richardson is at LW, then they still have Penner, Smyth and Clifford at that position. Which leaves one center spot available for either one of Loktionov or Schenn.
I could see Kopitar-Loktionov-Stoll-Schenn as the centers, at least to start the season. Lewis can play RW on the 4th line.

Penner-Kopitar-Williams
Smyth-Loktionov-Brown
Clifford-Stoll-Simmonds
Parse-Schenn-Lewis/Westgarth
Richardson

Richardson will be kept as insurance for Loktionov/Schenn and/or injuries. Same with Parse, he will get 4th line minutes until there is an injury. Loktionov has to make the team as the #2 center for him to be usefull. He's not an energy/shutdown center.

I think Dean will make some moves at the draft and could open up some spots for the younger players or some of the younger players could get traded.

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06-12-2011, 02:15 PM
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I could see Kopitar-Loktionov-Stoll-Schenn as the centers, at least to start the season. Lewis can play RW on the 4th line.

Penner-Kopitar-Williams
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Parse-Schenn-Lewis/Westgarth
Richardson

Richardson will be kept as insurance for Loktionov/Schenn and/or injuries. Same with Parse, he will get 4th line minutes until there is an injury. Loktionov has to make the team as the #2 center for him to be usefull. He's not an energy/shutdown center.

I think Dean will make some moves at the draft and could open up some spots for the younger players or some of the younger players could get traded.
I think Parse or Richardson get dealt at the draft, and I hope it's Parse of the two.

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06-12-2011, 02:18 PM
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I think Parse or Richardson get dealt at the draft, and I hope it's Parse of the two.
Agreed. Richardson's versatility and speed make him useful. Parse could break out, but I don't think he's going to excel playing in the bottom six and I'm not sure if he's cut out to be a top six forward.

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I think Parse or Richardson get dealt at the draft, and I hope it's Parse of the two.
Parse could be traded, but Richardson is an RFA and qualifying offers are due June 27th, which is after the draft. I can't imagine Dean signing Richardson before the draft and then trading him at the draft.

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I'd agree that I would keep Richie over Parse. Richie has speed and is a great PK'er all he needs to do is work on his finishing ability.


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06-12-2011, 03:29 PM
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I don't see any reason to trade Parse. He's not going to return much in any trade, so there's no point. Might as well keep him and see if he blossoms.

If Penner continues to be awful, I'd like to have Scott around to give him a chance in the top 6.

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Was just about to say the same thing.

For all we know, Holloway could be the same way.
Maybe, but we KNOW King didn't show much. We don't know that about Holloway. I think Holloway will be a legitimate scoring threat on our third or fourth lines for a long time to come, though I think he makes the team after this season.

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Agreed. Richardson's versatility and speed make him useful. Parse could break out, but I don't think he's going to excel playing in the bottom six and I'm not sure if he's cut out to be a top six forward.
I tend to agree with this assessment, however you could argue that the same could've been said about Purcell, Moulson and Boyle.

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I don't see any reason to trade Parse. He's not going to return much in any trade, so there's no point. Might as well keep him and see if he blossoms.

If Penner continues to be awful, I'd like to have Scott around to give him a chance in the top 6.

Agree. It's easier to through Parse under the bus because he's been injured.

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If you are a scorer in the AHL and you come up to the show and don't score you better do something else. King is 6'-3" 227 lbs and he did nothing with that size, I didn't see him push anyone or throw one big check, his brother is a top 10 NHL heavy and with that size he should be acting like Raffi Torres out there if he ain't producing...

Let's see what Holloway can do.

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06-12-2011, 06:11 PM
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Even if Parse breaks out, its not good enough to displace anybody else in the top-6 right now.

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If you are a scorer in the AHL and you come up to the show and don't score you better do something else. King is 6'-3" 227 lbs and he did nothing with that size, I didn't see him push anyone or throw one big check, his brother is a top 10 NHL heavy and with that size he should be acting like Raffi Torres out there if he ain't producing...

Let's see what Holloway can do.
After being top scorer for two years strait in reg season and playoffs i say trade him or play him.He also had the highest points per game in the league in the playoffs.

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If you are a scorer in the AHL and you come up to the show and don't score you better do something else. King is 6'-3" 227 lbs and he did nothing with that size, I didn't see him push anyone or throw one big check, his brother is a top 10 NHL heavy and with that size he should be acting like Raffi Torres out there if he ain't producing...

Let's see what Holloway can do.
Where have I heard these statements before??

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I could see Kopitar-Loktionov-Stoll-Schenn as the centers, at least to start the season. Lewis can play RW on the 4th line.
Stop right there, you're making too much sense.

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06-12-2011, 11:44 PM
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Going with a center lineup of Kopitar, Loktionov, Stoll and Schenn would likely mean that the Kings make zero additions via free agency. That leaves Penner, Smyth, Clifford and Richardson at LW and Williams, Brown, Simmonds and Lewis at RW with Westgarth and Parse as spare forwards.

Will you guys be satisfied if the Kings made zero changes to the roster and brought in some fresh new faces from within?


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Going with a center lineup of Kopitar, Loktionov, Stoll and Schenn would likely mean that the Kings make zero additions via free agency. That leaves Penner, Smyth, Clifford and Richardson at LW and Williams, Brown, Simmonds and Lewis at RW with Westgarth and another forward as spares.

Will you guys be satisfied if the Kings made zero changes to the roster and brought in some fresh new faces from within?
Depends on teh faces. And looking at this free agent crop, there's not too many guys I'm hoping Deano goes after. Richards and that's about it.

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Going with a center lineup of Kopitar, Loktionov, Stoll and Schenn would likely mean that the Kings make zero additions via free agency. That leaves Penner, Smyth, Clifford and Richardson at LW and Williams, Brown, Simmonds and Lewis at RW with Westgarth and another forward as spares.

Will you guys be satisfied if the Kings made zero changes to the roster and brought in some fresh new faces from within?
i'd say a full year of penner would be an "addition".

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Depends on teh faces. And looking at this free agent crop, there's not too many guys I'm hoping Deano goes after. Richards and that's about it.
I agree with that sentiment in terms of pursuing free agents, there are some character/ role players such as Brooks Laich and Raffi Torres that are not necessarily needs, as I think players like Clifford, Simmonds, Richardson and Lewis need more ice time and can contribute just as much as those players if they are given the opportunity.

The Kings could also be looking at trades, but I don't think there are many names out there. Many of us would love to see the Kings land Parise, but I'd be surprised if that happens. I doubt the Flyers trade Jeff Carter and I think the Caps may hang onto Semin. Even if Lombardi did want to add another top six forward, his options are very limited. Thus, the best route may be to develop their own top six forward.

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They may be up to the task, but I am not entirely comfortable with both Loktionov and Schenn on the roster. They both need to earn their stripes, but should they be forced to do it at the same time? Is it too much responsibility too soon? I'd love to see them step in and contribute, but at the same time we need to ensure we are as competitive as possible next season. If they both make it, all power to them, but I'm really hoping that our relative strength on the wings will help ease these guys into the lineup and help them to hit the ground running.

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When it comes to centers, we don't really have any other options. Carter and Richards are unrealistic IMO. It will be some combination of Kopitar/Stoll/Schenn/Loktionov/Lewis/Richardson.

I wouldn't be shocked if Handzus was resigned for one year on the cheap.

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This appears to be LA's depth chart of 14 forwards that could potentially be on the opening night roster.

CENTERS:
Kopitar, Stoll, Lewis (RW), Richardson (LW), Schenn, Loktionov

LEFT WINGS:
Penner, Smyth, Clifford, Parse

RIGHT WINGS:
Williams, Brown, Simmonds, Westgarth

Could it be better? Yes. The top three right wings are solid, but the depth at LW is a bit concerning considering the lack of speed and a quality shooter. The lack of forwards with the ability to make plays with the puck is also a glaring weakness. It could possibly be addressed with the additions of Loktionov and Schenn, but that remains to be seen at the NHL level.

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We are going to miss that big body with defensive awareness and face-off ability that Handzus was, especially at the end of games. He had a forgettable year offensively, but he was key in many late game situations. Kopitar and Stoll are going to be logging major minutes at the end of games, I'm not sure if I like that given how much Kopi plays in other situations.

Schenn and Loktionov are a few years away from being solid in the circle. Neither guy is going to win them with brute strength, so they'll have to rely on skill and experience which takes time. Offensively, I like the idea of both Schenn and Lokti in the lineup. In critical late game situations, not so much.

I do agree with most here though that unless DL can pick up a Richards or Carter, even with the risks it's the best course of action to fill from within the organization. I'd rather not see a faceoff/defensive specialist signed (Belanger, Handzus) in the offseason. If it's a glaring hole at the deadline, that need can be filled then.

Richards is obviously the best case scenario. He makes this team a legitimate contender.

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Another interesting question is, if Zus wants to be a King and is willing to sign for less, do you pull the trigger on a 1 year deal?

And, how much?

Moreover, Stoll is not a #2, but neither is Zus. We really do need Loki or Schenn slotted at the #2. So Zus at #3 and Stoll #4? Or Stoll at #3, Zus at #4? 2 #3's is 1 too many...

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