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06-12-2011, 06:16 PM
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And I'd like him getting a shot at the NHL this season. Maybe he could be our Jagr
Sure, minus a few Art Ross trophies and two Stanley Cups.

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trotter eller ak
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Trotter-Leblanc-Palushaj

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not bad at all. they could really grow together and provide some good callups when injuries hit.( cause they will)

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not bad at all. they could really grow together and provide some good callups when injuries hit.( cause they will)
The 'Dogs need a top scorer anyway to play with and insulate the real scoring prospects (i.e. Leblanc, Palushaj, Avtsin maybe Dumont also). Might as well be a guy with ties to the organization. Habs are wealthy enough to give him real money (i.e. 150k+) on his AHL contract for that role.

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So he didnt liked his experience in the KHL and prefer to play in Hamilton? Because there is no room for him with the big club. Especially if he can't play wing.
Trotter was on the wing his entire time in Hamilton, he can play center but count on him to be a LW.

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Oh something is telling me he is MUCH closer to a roster spot thn some would be led to believe. Trotter may have been the most useful of the group that just graduated, and was Guy Boucher's wet dream when he was coaching him.
Unless Trotter's game improve leaps and bounds, I can't see him being much closer to a roster spot. Also I don't recall him being Boucher's wet dream, Desharnais is the player he always seemed to speak so highly of and was the teams best forward that season by a lot.

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Could he replace Halpern ?
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Trotter is another example of players we absolutely can't afford to fill our roster with anymore. He's not small, but he's not big either. Has always seemed weak to me and his defensive game has always been lacking. Unless the KHL has turned him into a world beater, he's Hamilton bound.
Agreeed, he would be good depth for the Habs in case injury hits hard again but we don't need another small, soft, not overly quick or good defensively forward as a regular. Would be nice to get him in Hamilton though.

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Wow, is he really that bad defensively? And be honest, did you watch a lot of his games in Hamilton or this past year in the KHL? I've "heard" that he's not the best defensively, but i doubt anybody on here actually has first hand accounts of his ineptitude.

People seem to think that if you're not a defensive minded forward, you can't play for Martin. That's not really it. Martin is all about hard work and fighting for pucks in the neutral zone. Defensive awareness is something most forwards learn over time with NHL experience. If Trotter has good work ethic and realizes that he has to work extra hard to get a spot on a checking line (see Desharnais) than he has a chance.
I haven't seen Trotter in the KHL but I watched him at Denver and saw almost eveyr game he played in Hamilton, so unless his defensive game made huge strides, he was known for his poor defensive play, he isn't the hardest worker either. When Trotter and DD were on a line together, you could see which one wanted more, as DD always worked hard at both ends of the ice, Trotter, not so much.

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If Trotter is signed, i see him more as a replacement for Dawes than anything else.

The NHL team does not get better next season with Trotter in the lineup.
Agreed, the loss of Dawes is huge for the Dogs, but Trotter would be a good replacement.

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I need some information on this guy. I know the name, but would like to know more about him such as if hes a goal scorer, Good on the PK or PP, physical, bottom 6 forward? If anyone thats seen him play could fill me in then thatd be great.
Trotter is a bit like Corey Locke. He's not big (in Hamilton I'd say he was 5'9 or 5'10 but on the thin side) he's not overly quick, he's not the hardest worker, on the soft side and isn't very good in his own end. That said he's very skilled with the puck, he can dish it, deke players, or just put it top shelf. Could turn into a PP specialist perhaps, as he can put points on the board, he knows what to do with the puck when he's in the offensive zone and he has the skills to get it done.

Hopefully playing on the bigger ice has improved his skating, lower body strength. If you look at Desharnais, he works harder, is better in his own end, is more skilled and he's got good lower body strength. Personally I think it's a key for smallish players to have good lower body strength, DD has it, Trotter didn't in Hamilton at least. That said, a player like Trotter would likely put up a lot of points for the Dogs so I'd welcome him back for sure.

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06-13-2011, 09:29 AM
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I have only seen him play 5-10 games, but I think people have to be careful about throwing prospects out the window for 'poor defensive play'. Defensive play is a whole lot easier to learn than offensive play, and you regularly see players improve defensively over the years, while big offensive improvements are very rare.

Experience and maturity can be all a player need to be at least decent in his own zone (AK for one made huge strides this year imo in that aspect of his game). I still remember Subban saying 'you won't see much PK on the PK!' and everyone saying he was a defensive liability 2 years ago. At the end of his rookie season he was on our first PK pairing and was very solid in his own zone. Ok, Trotter is no Subban or anywhere close, but all I'm saying is that defensive play can be learned and improved on. If he's able to play well and create offensively, keep him around and give him a shot (in Hamilton and take him back up in case of injuries).

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I have only seen him play 5-10 games, but I think people have to be careful about throwing prospects out the window for 'poor defensive play'. Defensive play is a whole lot easier to learn than offensive play, and you regularly see players improve defensively over the years, while big offensive improvements are very rare.

Experience and maturity can be all a player need to be at least decent in his own zone (AK for one made huge strides this year imo in that aspect of his game). I still remember Subban saying 'you won't see much PK on the PK!' and everyone saying he was a defensive liability 2 years ago. At the end of his rookie season he was on our first PK pairing and was very solid in his own zone. Ok, Trotter is no Subban or anywhere close, but all I'm saying is that defensive play can be learned and improved on. If he's able to play well and create offensively, keep him around and give him a shot (in Hamilton and take him back up in case of injuries).

The thing is, if you can't play well defensively at the AHL level then you don't deserve the call up. Both AK and PK made strides in their defensive games while in Hamilton which helped get them the call. Unless Trotter does the same, he doesn't deserve and won't be given a call to the big club.

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The thing is, if you can't play well defensively at the AHL level then you don't deserve the call up. Both AK and PK made strides in their defensive games while in Hamilton which helped get them the call. Unless Trotter does the same, he doesn't deserve and won't be given a call to the big club.
Barring putting up big enough numbers to merit the call up I agree. If he starts putting up 2.0ppg roughly (doubtful) I could see them giving him a shot.

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Three words : RIGHT-HANDED SHOT.

The Habs have a real dearth of right-side shooters. After Gionta, the falloff of RH talent is steep...which explains the amount of PP and top-six time that Jeff Halpern got last year.

While Halpern did an admirable job under the circumstances, it was too often clear that he was miscast in the role. But with nobody else on the horizon, Jacques Martin went with Halpern time and time again. As of now, it is not clear that Halpern will be back. Even if he is, the Habs need to improve in the RH scoring department.

Here's a list of the RH talent down on the farm, in rough order of offensive potential and NHL readiness:

Palushaj
White
Leblanc
Avstin
Engqvist
Wyman
Dumont
Nattinen

A quick glance will show that Aaron Palushaj is the only RH shooter both sufficiently gifted and battle-ready to fit the bill. Can he do it at the NHL level: who knows?

Ryan White has cut his teeth with the big club. He's hard-banging, never-say-die style will likely earn him spot duty on the top 2 lines next season but does he have the hands to do more?

Leblanc...too soon to say. Ditto for Avstin who, despite his pedigree, had all of 5 goals for the Bulldogs last season. Wyman is big and strong on his skates and remains a distant long-shot. The other guys may eventually make the big club as bottom line forwards.

Enter Brock Trotter. Whatever else you say about Trotter, he has the flat-out skill to aspire to the role. Sure, he's small. And maybe his defense is lacking. But he's immediately ahead of almost everybody else on the list above.

Don't be surprised if the is the first injury call-up of the new season.


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Brock Trotter will be our next Paul DiPietro and lead us to Stanley Cup Glory in 2011-2012!!

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Brock Trotter will be our next Paul DiPietro and lead us to Stanley Cup Glory in 2011-2012!!

or not
Since we've been busy grabbing guys out of Euro leagues, why not just bring back DiPietro himself to lead us to that Cup?

http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=1355

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wow! he's still playing?

Bring back Mike Keane too!

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If this IS a done deal, they're taking a while to announce it. I know it's only a minor signing, but I have to believe either its still a rumour / in negotiation, OR they're close to another minor signing or 2 (perhaps Sanford or MacIntyre, or maybe Rawlings) and are waiting to announce them together.

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Three words : RIGHT-HANDED SHOT.

The Habs have a real dearth of right-side shooters. After Gionta, the falloff of RH talent is steep...which explains the amount of PP and top-six time that Jeff Halpern got last year.
...

Here's a list of the RH talent down on the farm, in rough order of offensive potential and NHL readiness:

Palushaj
White
Leblanc
Avstin
Engqvist
Wyman
Dumont
Nattinen

...
Add Kristo, Berger, Gallagher and Schultz to your list. Habs are actually weak on the left wing, missing left shooters. After Pacioretty, you got AK who prefers the right wing; and then Desharnais, Pouliot who might leave, Darche, Moen... and no prospects. Maybe Bournival could be developed as a left winger. But righties are certainly not something that's lacking in this organisation.

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Trotter was on the wing his entire time in Hamilton, he can play center but count on him to be a LW.



Unless Trotter's game improve leaps and bounds, I can't see him being much closer to a roster spot. Also I don't recall him being Boucher's wet dream, Desharnais is the player he always seemed to speak so highly of and was the teams best forward that season by a lot.



No chance



Agreeed, he would be good depth for the Habs in case injury hits hard again but we don't need another small, soft, not overly quick or good defensively forward as a regular. Would be nice to get him in Hamilton though.



I haven't seen Trotter in the KHL but I watched him at Denver and saw almost eveyr game he played in Hamilton, so unless his defensive game made huge strides, he was known for his poor defensive play, he isn't the hardest worker either. When Trotter and DD were on a line together, you could see which one wanted more, as DD always worked hard at both ends of the ice, Trotter, not so much.



Agreed, the loss of Dawes is huge for the Dogs, but Trotter would be a good replacement.



Trotter is a bit like Corey Locke. He's not big (in Hamilton I'd say he was 5'9 or 5'10 but on the thin side) he's not overly quick, he's not the hardest worker, on the soft side and isn't very good in his own end. That said he's very skilled with the puck, he can dish it, deke players, or just put it top shelf. Could turn into a PP specialist perhaps, as he can put points on the board, he knows what to do with the puck when he's in the offensive zone and he has the skills to get it done.

Hopefully playing on the bigger ice has improved his skating, lower body strength. If you look at Desharnais, he works harder, is better in his own end, is more skilled and he's got good lower body strength. Personally I think it's a key for smallish players to have good lower body strength, DD has it, Trotter didn't in Hamilton at least. That said, a player like Trotter would likely put up a lot of points for the Dogs so I'd welcome him back for sure.
Well if he doesn't work hard and isn't overly fast, than he has zero chance of playing with the Habs.

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Add Kristo, Berger, Gallagher and Schultz to your list. Habs are actually weak on the left wing, missing left shooters. After Pacioretty, you got AK who prefers the right wing; and then Desharnais, Pouliot who might leave, Darche, Moen... and no prospects. Maybe Bournival could be developed as a left winger. But righties are certainly not something that's lacking in this organisation.
My point remains: after Gionta, there's NOBODY.

Gallagher and Kristo may have a shot with the Habs in 2 or 3 years. If not 4. Berger...who knows? Anybody ever seen him play? And Schultz? Get serious.

I'm talking about someone who can be called up and pull his weight as early as next season. A right-handed shot who can actually put up some offence. The list is short: Palushaj, maybe White...and now Trotter.

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My point remains: after Gionta, there's NOBODY.

Gallagher and Kristo may have a shot with the Habs in 2 or 3 years. If not 4. Berger...who knows? Anybody ever seen him play? And Schultz? Get serious.

I'm talking about someone who can be called up and pull his weight as early as next season. A right-handed shot who can actually put up some offence. The list is short: Palushaj, maybe White...and now Trotter.
After Gionta there is Desharnais. Handness is more of a concern for defenders than forwards, there are plenty of wingers on their off side which gives its own advantages and disadvantages. The biggest concern would be on the power play where it plays a role in setting up one-timers and other pass-shot plays but for the PP Gionta, Subban and Desharnais are sufficient RH shooters.

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Add Kristo, Berger, Gallagher and Schultz to your list. Habs are actually weak on the left wing, missing left shooters. After Pacioretty, you got AK who prefers the right wing; and then Desharnais, Pouliot who might leave, Darche, Moen... and no prospects. Maybe Bournival could be developed as a left winger. But righties are certainly not something that's lacking in this organisation.
Berger is listed a RH on hockeydb but is listed a LH shot on the development camp roster (http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/l_fr/news.htm?id=564589), which is it?

I was actually happy when I saw that they listed him as a LH because, just like you, I'm a bit concerned about the lack of depth at the LH winger position in the organisation.

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Berger is listed a RH on hockeydb but is listed a LH shot on the development camp roster (http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/l_fr/news.htm?id=564589), which is it?

I was actually happy when I saw that they listed him as a LH because, just like you, I'm a bit concerned about the lack of depth at the LH winger position in the organisation.
He's a RH that plays LW.

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Well if he doesn't work hard and isn't overly fast, than he has zero chance of playing with the Habs.
He's also very soft. Granted I don't know what has changed in his game since leaving Hamilton, but I guess we'll find out in 3 months if he indeed has signed.

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My point remains: after Gionta, there's NOBODY.

Gallagher and Kristo may have a shot with the Habs in 2 or 3 years. If not 4. Berger...who knows? Anybody ever seen him play? And Schultz? Get serious.

I'm talking about someone who can be called up and pull his weight as early as next season. A right-handed shot who can actually put up some offence. The list is short: Palushaj, maybe White...and now Trotter.
Engqvist is more likely to put up points than White.

To play on your offside is better, as you'll have your stick in the middle when coming down the wing/ off the boards, so you'll have more net to shoot at.

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Oh something is telling me he is MUCH closer to a roster spot thn some would be led to believe.

Trotter may have been the most useful of the group that just graduated, and was Guy Boucher's wet dream when he was coaching him.

He CAN play wing. IMO he should get a REALLY long look this oct. If this is true.
I am thinking this, if the Habs are going to re-sign him now I would think it would be to give him a good look and a good shot at making the big club.

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