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06-12-2011, 11:26 PM
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AHL all-star? Means nothing. I was an all star in my co-ed soccer league, doesn't make me a pro soccer player. The AHL isn't even the second best league in the world.


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AHL all-star? Means nothing. I was an all star in my co-ed soccer league, doesn't make me a pro soccer player. The AHL isn't even the second best league in the world.
AHL all star means something. Stop being a negative **** for the sake of being negative. AHL may not be second best, but for a young guy at Brodie's age, it means something. Next you'll be saying being the Hobey Baker award winner means nothing.

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06-12-2011, 11:32 PM
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AHL all star means something. Stop being a negative **** for the sake of being negative. AHL may not be second best, but for a young guy at Brodie's age, it means something. Next you'll be saying being the Hobey Baker award winner means nothing.
Yeah, because Peter Sejna, Junior Lessard, and Marty Sertich are all household names, aren't they?

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AHL all-star? Means nothing. I was an all star in my co-ed soccer league, doesn't make me a pro soccer player. The AHL isn't even the second best league in the world.
First of all, that was in response to him suggesting that his defense isn't at an AHL level, which is ridiculous because one doesn't become an AHL all-star when you are incapable of playing defense at the AHL level. Never did I suggest that the being in the AHL all-star makes you a good NHL player (although if you look at the defense rosters for the past 3 years on that team you'll find names such as PK Subban, Johnny Boychuk, and Dustin Byfuglien). The other guy suggested that he'd not capable of playing defense at the AHL level, and I'm disagreeing using actual evidence instead of just spewing nonsense.

Second of all, I can't believe you just compared the second highest rated professional league in North America to your ****** co-ed soccer league. That's actually embarrassing. No **** being a co-ed soccer All Star doesn't make you a professional soccer player, but being an AHL All-Star means that you are, all things considered, a damn fine professional hockey player.

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First of all, that was in response to him suggesting that his defense isn't at an AHL level, which is ridiculous because one doesn't become an AHL all-star when you are incapable of playing defense at the AHL level. Never did I suggest that the being in the AHL all-star makes you a good NHL player (although if you look at the defense rosters for the past 3 years on that team you'll find names such as PK Subban, Johnny Boychuk, and Dustin Byfuglien). The other guy suggested that he'd not capable of playing defense at the AHL level, and I'm disagreeing using actual evidence instead of just spewing nonsense.

Second of all, I can't believe you just compared the second highest rated professional league in North America to your ****** co-ed soccer league. That's actually embarrassing. No **** being a co-ed soccer All Star doesn't make you a professional soccer player, but being an AHL All-Star means that you are, all things considered, a damn fine professional hockey player.
You don't think there are AHL all-stars who can't play defense at an AHL level? There are lots of offensive forwards who light it up in the minors but can't play a lick of defense. Give me a guy like Stephane Yelle over a guy like Robbie Schremp everytime.

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You don't think there are AHL all-stars who can't play defense at an AHL level? There are lots of offensive forwards who light it up in the minors but can't play a lick of defense. Give me a guy like Stephane Yelle over a guy like Robbie Schremp everytime.
Listen no one here is trying to suggest that Brodie is going to be a defensive specialist, because lets face it that is not the strength of his game. However he does need to be competent in his own end which is why he was sent down to the AHL last season to develop that part of his game. Brodie's game is based on speed and smooth skating, moving the puck out of his own end, good passing, creating offensive oppertunities and quaterbacking the PP. Once his game is developed, it would be a huge asset to the Flames. And some point if he can elevate his defensive game to match his offensive skills, that will be the difference of whether or not Brodie ends up a good player in the NHL or a potential allstar.

Brodie is never going to be able to over power guys or out muscle opponents in the NHL, so he is going to need use his speed to recover when he pinches, he will have to learn how to be an outstanding positional d-man (which includes covering the passing lanes), and he will need to become very competent with using stick. If he can master things then he has potential to be quite solid in his own end. There are a quite a few d-man that are smaller than average in the NHL which are actually quite good defensively.

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06-13-2011, 12:54 AM
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Not sure why it became a discussion on Brodie as an AHL allstar...

The initial argument was whether one would rather have Brodie or Babchuck...the answer at this point is Babchuk...easy....Brodie is not NHL ready...he is a few yrs away...they'll ruin him as he can not handle the NHL defensively at this point.

As far as AHL allstar, that only shows some potential...it means **** when it comes to NHL ready.

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Not sure why it became a discussion on Brodie as an AHL allstar...

The initial argument was whether one would rather have Brodie or Babchuck...the answer at this point is Babchuk...easy....Brodie is not NHL ready...he is a few yrs away...they'll ruin him as he can not handle the NHL defensively at this point.

As far as AHL allstar, that only shows some potential...it means **** when it comes to NHL ready.
Brodie is not a few years away, I think if he does not make the team out of camp that we will definitely see him on the roster at some point next year. Keep in mind the Flames cap problems, Brodie's ELC is attractive in itself and may be necessary to have him on the roster. Brodie is a very quick learner and even commented that he did not find the speed of the professional game to be as big of a difference from the WHL as he was told it would be. That just shows how adaptable of a player he is. Watching a teenager play 3 games in the NHL does not give anyone a solid basis to predict what kind of professional player he will end up being.

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06-13-2011, 10:52 AM
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Not sure why it became a discussion on Brodie as an AHL allstar...

The initial argument was whether one would rather have Brodie or Babchuck...the answer at this point is Babchuk...easy....Brodie is not NHL ready...he is a few yrs away...they'll ruin him as he can not handle the NHL defensively at this point.

As far as AHL allstar, that only shows some potential...it means **** when it comes to NHL ready.
Which was exactly my point to Ben Thatcher about winning awards at a junior level. You just termed it a lot better.

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