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A Max Pac away from Winning the Cup?

View Poll Results: What if we had Max?
Yes 26 16.67%
No 38 24.36%
We could have beat the Bruins, but would have lost eventually 92 58.97%
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06-13-2011, 10:25 PM
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A Max Pac away from Winning the Cup?


Yes?


No?


We would have beaten the Bruins.... but would have lost eventually



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06-13-2011, 10:30 PM
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We would have beaten Boston. After that I don't think we're good enough at 5 on 5 to win the cup, even if we got to the finals.

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06-13-2011, 10:32 PM
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No one will ever know and it's impossible to determine.

Habs were the better team in the first round, but the playoffs doesn't work that way.

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I'd say this year could have been our year if we had Markov and Patches but, you could say that about other teams that had injuries as well.

Just the way things go I guess

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Definitely not. As another poster said, we're not good enough 5 on 5.

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remember we lost an effective Wiz to an injured hand from his fight in game 2 - there was a definite swing in the series after that.

we may have beaten Boston, but I think we may have lost a long series against the Bolts though. I do believe we could have beaten Philly this year though, and just beating them would have been good for the confidence of the team as they've been our "bete-noir" these last few years.

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Uh, no.

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STOP THIS CRAP!!!

Oh my gawd, who are these fans???!!!

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Uh, no.
That's how I would have answered not so long ago.

But it seems more and more than it takes less and less to go the distance in the cap era.

More specifically, are the Bruins really THAT much better than us?

Yet, they are 1 game away from taking it.

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That's how I would have answered not so long ago.

But it seems more and more than it takes less and less to go the distance in the cap era.
You started this thread?! Ugh, I thought you were alright.

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That's how I would have answered not so long ago.

But it seems more and more than it takes less and less to go the distance in the cap era.
Max Pac (at least right now) is nowhere near the kind of difference maker that would be needed to make this team a cup winner this year.

I get what you're saying about parity but this is a silly question.

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Logic in our board:

Bruins are 1 win away from the cup.
We almost beat the Bruins.

= we are close to winning the cup.

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That's how I would have answered not so long ago.

But it seems more and more than it takes less and less to go the distance in the cap era.

More specifically, are the Bruins really THAT much better than us?

Yet, they are 1 game away from taking it.
Currently, yes. They ice a style of play (whether you hate it or not) that is difficult for teams to adapt to or counter. And Tampa would've 'almost' swept us much like the Flyers 'almost' did last year.

Well, that sounded negative. 'Tis the truth though.

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Who knows....But even without knowing, I'll say no. If MaxPac is there, well he scores 2 goals....but who knows if he's not making 3 giveaways that produces 3 goals against?

I know we don't want to see Boston winning, but the more the playoffs progresses, the more we sound like Bruins fans with our moral victories...

By the way, winning that game against Boston has nothing to do with winning a Cup. You need tons of things, not a whole lot of injuries, luck, great matchups and the rest to win this trophy. You just can't try to feel better by thinking that way. We'll be on top of things again the next time WE win. Until then, if they win, and I believe they will, you will have to deal with their new confidence. And we will have to come with new excuses than "Last Cup is '72".....thank god, surely the best news about it....

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Currently, yes. They ice a style of play (whether you hate it or not) that is difficult for teams to adapt to or counter. And Tampa would've 'almost' swept us much like the Flyers 'almost' did last year.

Well, that sounded negative. 'Tis the truth though.
Eh. I feel like Tampa is the one team we would absolutely destroy at 5 on 5 play, they got where they did from a great power play and a goalie standing on his head. It's the fact that if we beat Boston we would have been lined up against Washington that I don't think we would have even made the finals. Washington had our number all year.

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Max Pac (at least right now) is nowhere near the kind of difference maker that would be needed to make this team a cup winner this year.

I get what you're saying about parity but this is a silly question.
ok fair enough - but would he have been enough to make a difference against the B's? I mean, technically, we were a goal away from moving on... and I don't think Max would have pulled a Pouliot, frankly.

You don't think we could have beaten the Flyers with their non-existent goaltending? With or without Max?

Next on the list - Bolts... coin flip?

It's hard to say that we are that much worse than anyone in the east.

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And I thought all the stupid threads were on the SCF board.

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ok fair enough - but would he have been enough to make a difference against the B's? I mean, technically, we were a goal away from moving on... and I don't think Max would have pulled a Pouliot, frankly.

You don't think we could have beaten the Flyers with their non-existent goaltending? With or without Max?

Next on the list - Bolts... coin flip?

It's hard to say that we are that much worse than anyone in the east.
If we beat the Bruins, our next opponent are the Caps. And I don't believe we beat them 2 years in a row. Not with the lineup we had and the injuries we had (you do have to add Desharnais to the list)

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Who knows....But even without knowing, I'll say no. If MaxPac is there, well he scores 2 goals....but who knows if he's not making 3 giveaways that produces 3 goals against?

I know we don't want to see Boston winning, but the more the playoffs progresses, the more we sound like Bruins fans with our moral victories...
I'm tired of the excuses. MaxPac is a talented kid who may develop into a very good player someday, but right now he's nowhere near the kind of difference making talent that would take this team to a cup.

And Markov has become the built in excuse for us every season. Even before the season begins folks will talk about how we'd be a contender if only Markov was healthy. Well, he's not healthy and that knee be an injury risk for the rest of his career. Other teams have dealt with these kinds of challenges (Bruins and Savard for example) and I don't hear anyone here making excuses for those teams.

We've got a couple of good young players to build around and that's what I'd like to see the club focus on because for the first time in years we have a couple of kids with bonafide superstar potential. That's what we should be building around. I'm happy that we have those guys for the future, we don't need to make excuses for the present.
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ok fair enough - but would he have been enough to make a difference against the B's? I mean, technically, we were a goal away from moving on... and I don't think Max would have pulled a Pouliot, frankly.
It's a bit of an unfair question don't you think? Esp since Boston is without their best forward in 90+ point man Savard who is a much bigger factor.

Forgetting Savard though does MaxPac make the difference in the series? Maybe. The series was so close and paper thin, I think that they could play the series several times over and you'd get a different result every time. So yes, MaxPac could've made a difference but I don't know that he would've. He's a rookie and he's certainly not proven enough to have relied upon... he's nowhere near proven enough. Who knows what he would've done in the series. Maybe Chara rams him into the turnbuckle again...

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You don't think we could have beaten the Flyers with their non-existent goaltending? With or without Max?

Next on the list - Bolts... coin flip?

It's hard to say that we are that much worse than anyone in the east.
I think you're making a whole lot of assumptions here and no, I don't think we win a cup this year if MaxPac is in the lineup. We aren't good enough. Even in the horrific East we probably never would've made it and we would've been crushed by Vancouver.

I know the East sucks but I just don't see it. MaxPac isn't that good.


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ok fair enough - but would he have been enough to make a difference against the B's? I mean, technically, we were a goal away from moving on... and I don't think Max would have pulled a Pouliot, frankly.

You don't think we could have beaten the Flyers with their non-existent goaltending? With or without Max?

Next on the list - Bolts... coin flip?

It's hard to say that we are that much worse than anyone in the east.
Aren't you the guy that was always on about us being a perennially mediocre team with no aspirations beyond round 1?

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alright thread bashers

I'm not known as a prototypical homer here.

But reality is, winning a cup in 2011 takes far less than it did 10 years ago.

Salary cap = Parity

Sure, the B's are a solid team, but really, they're NOT that much better than us (and the question if Max Pac would have made THE difference is still valid, particularly since we lost in OT, game 7).

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Aren't you the guy that was always on about us being a perennially mediocre team with no aspirations beyond round 1?
no, i've been the guy that's saying we are mediocre fans with no aspirations

that was part of my anti-Gomez campaign.

If anything, witnessing what's going on in this era should make it even more of an incentive to bury his contract... because we could be 1 Gomezless from a cup.

I also believe it's important to know when to rebuild, and do so with by the draft, and bla bla bla.... but I don't believe the process of rebuilding is as long as it use to be either.

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Its hard to say. I am not so sure we could have beat Washington like Tampa did, but if we could have I think we make it to the finals, and we did go 2-0 against the Canucks this season, so there could have been some hope. Unlikely obviously, but the chance was there.

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alright thread bashers

I'm not known as a prototypical homer here.

But reality is, winning a cup in 2011 takes far less than it did 10 years ago.

Salary cap = Parity

Sure, the B's are a solid team, but really, they're NOT that much better than us (and the question if Max Pac would have made THE difference is still valid, particularly since we lost in OT, game 7).
There is more parity for sure. And I think that you could make an argument that MaxPac would've been a difference maker against Boston but I think that's as far as you could legitimately take the argument. Just because Boston is in the finals doesn't mean we'd be there instead. And it certainly doesn't mean that we'd beat Vancouver.

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