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06-11-2011, 03:46 PM
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this guy can't skate
can't shoot
has no offensiv instincs

all he can is win faceoffs and block a shot. He isn't really good at the PK, he is a good option.
Which is two more things then your golden boy Kruger can do well at the NHL level.

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06-13-2011, 09:04 PM
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He was the best faceoff guy in the league last year. He is very good on the PK. He has more offensive ability than most 4th liners. He plays an overall smart game. Not sure what there is not to like for a guy making close to minimum wage.
How about the fact he isn't an NHL caliber player.

He can win faceoffs.
He can block shots.

At every other single point of time on the ice, he is a liability both offensively and defensively. He is slow, he can't hit, he is always behind the play, he can't cover people, and he has hands of stone.

The coaches routinely put him out for defensive faceoffs and then had him immediately get off the ice.

I do not want Ryan Johnson back.

As for Madden, he has spurts of quality but age and mileage have caught up to him.

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06-13-2011, 10:52 PM
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I'd take him back in a nanosecond..

Maybe 1.25?
LOLOL! No.

800k or less.

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06-14-2011, 12:56 AM
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How about the fact he isn't an NHL caliber player.

He can win faceoffs.
He can block shots.

At every other single point of time on the ice, he is a liability both offensively and defensively. He is slow, he can't hit, he is always behind the play, he can't cover people, and he has hands of stone.

The coaches routinely put him out for defensive faceoffs and then had him immediately get off the ice.

I do not want Ryan Johnson back.

As for Madden, he has spurts of quality but age and mileage have caught up to him.
thanks... exactly my thoughts

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06-14-2011, 03:20 AM
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I think we squeezed the lemon dry on Ryan Johnson. Invite him to training camp as a kind gesture, but don't pencil him in for anything, please.

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06-14-2011, 04:43 AM
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not a fan, he has seen better times and there are probably more suitable 4th line centers with PK skills out there.

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06-14-2011, 01:40 PM
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How about the fact he isn't an NHL caliber player.

He can win faceoffs.
He can block shots.

At every other single point of time on the ice, he is a liability both offensively and defensively. He is slow, he can't hit, he is always behind the play, he can't cover people, and he has hands of stone.

The coaches routinely put him out for defensive faceoffs and then had him immediately get off the ice.

I do not want Ryan Johnson back.

As for Madden, he has spurts of quality but age and mileage have caught up to him.
Who would your propose instead? Dowell?

I think some of you guys are misremembering what actual fourth liners are, because we were spoiled with our fourth line during the cup run. Guys like Eager, Madden, and Burish are better than almost all other fourth liners in the league. We can't have a fourth line with that caliber guys on it every year. Ryan Johnson is a valuable 4th line center and there are very few, if any, better options available, unless we want to pay 1.5+ and put a 3rd line center there.

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06-14-2011, 01:45 PM
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Johnson and Dowell suck... we should go and get a better Center

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06-14-2011, 02:11 PM
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Johnson and Dowell suck... we should go and get a better Center
Great. I'm all for a better center. I'm just noticing that nobody has proposed a better option. Who do you propose?

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06-14-2011, 02:15 PM
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claude giroux. make the flyers an offer they can't refuse.

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06-14-2011, 02:18 PM
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Great. I'm all for a better center. I'm just noticing that nobody has proposed a better option. Who do you propose?
Sounds like Konopka might be available... he might be worth a shot

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Konopka can be a good player on the penalty kill for us and be physical. I think he'll have a fair share of suitors.

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06-14-2011, 04:39 PM
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Great. I'm all for a better center. I'm just noticing that nobody has proposed a better option. Who do you propose?
over Johnson and Dowell

Goc
Belanger
Madden
Konopka
hell even Halpern

and these came just out of my head

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06-14-2011, 04:58 PM
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Eh, I'm kind of wary of Konopka. I like him and want him at the deadline but lately I've been reading that he isn't actually a good defensive player.

I know he is great on the faceoff, physical, a good fighter and leader. However most the posts I've seen of him lately imply that he isn't actually a good defensive player. Plus how good could he be if it is rumored the Islanders haven't even offered him any sort of contract.

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06-14-2011, 08:26 PM
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Dowell should be fine as the fourth-line center. Don't know why he sucked for most of last season. Maybe injury was an issue.

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Who would your propose instead? Dowell?

I think some of you guys are misremembering what actual fourth liners are, because we were spoiled with our fourth line during the cup run. Guys like Eager, Madden, and Burish are better than almost all other fourth liners in the league. We can't have a fourth line with that caliber guys on it every year. Ryan Johnson is a valuable 4th line center and there are very few, if any, better options available, unless we want to pay 1.5+ and put a 3rd line center there.
Ryan Johnson was out of the league before we looted him off the scrapheap of AHL talent. Saying there are very few better options or that he is "a valuable center" indicates that of the two of us, I am not the one 'misremembering' what actual fourth liners are.

The presence of Ryan Johnson active in a lineup indicates a serious problem with depth. Fix the problem so he is never in a Hawk uniform again.

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06-14-2011, 09:51 PM
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I watched Madden here in Minny. He wasn't surrounded by much in the way of talent. Yes, he was decent at faceoffs. But his D was really not up to snuff. I think his tank is out of gas to be honest with you.

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06-15-2011, 12:18 AM
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over Johnson and Dowell

Goc
Belanger
Madden
Konopka
hell even Halpern

and these came just out of my head
Isn't Goc an RFA?

Belanger would be nice, but he scored 40 points this year, so he should be looking for a pretty big raise. If we could get him at a reasonable price he might be a good choice. It just seems like he'll be getting 1.5+/year. Maybe we should sign him as our third line guy.

As I already said, I think Madden and Johnson are a wash at this point in their careers.

I've only seen Konopka play a few times, and I don't remember much, but based on his numbers, I am very unimpressed. Isn't he going to Europe to play anyway?

Your list is a best case list. Remember that a couple of these guys will be re-signed by free agent day by their current teams, and that there are lots of teams fighting over the last few. Johnson and Madden are not really elite fourth line guys at this point, but they do add value to the team assuming we can get them at near minimum wage. I am just really skeptical of us being able to do better. I think our best hope is that Dowell was injured the last half of this year because he seemed pretty good the first half of the year but really tapered off. I sure wish he was better at faceoffs though.

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06-15-2011, 01:02 AM
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Goc: UFA could be had for 1.5
Halpern: UFA 1.0
Madden is better than Johnson, no doubt because Johnson nothing
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even Niedermayer would be better than Johnson

trade for someone and give up a 6th...
wait for waivers...


there are more than enough chances and we really don't need Johnson. Q has always loved him... think about this

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Goc: UFA could be had for 1.5
Halpern: UFA 1.0
Madden is better than Johnson, no doubt because Johnson nothing
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even Niedermayer would be better than Johnson
trade for someone and give up a 6th...
wait for waivers...

there are more than enough chances and we really don't need Johnson. Q has always loved him... think about this
Whoa, whoa, whoa...........whoa. You guys have been railroading Johnson too much. He led the NHL in faceoffs. He played a good puck possesion game with Stalberg of all people being his only constant linemate. He performed well for the Hawks. I think he finished up at an even plus minus too which is very good for a 4th liner on that team.

If you don't think we can go to the well with Johnson again and get a full healthy season out of him at the same level he played last year, yeah, that's fine. I can understand that and I have my own doubts about how much he has left. I think he's best served as a 13th/14th forward so we can keep him fresh and healthy while not relying on him too much.

Niedermayer, in my opinion, was the worst forward in the entire NHL last season and it wasn't even close.

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we need vern fiddler not john madden

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we need vern fiddler not john madden
I'd be happy with either, but yes, I agree that Fiddler should be a target. He's a great agitator, would fit in with the team well and is underrated as a shutdown C.

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we need vern fiddler not john madden
That is an option I would agree with.

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claude giroux. make the flyers an offer they can't refuse.
Unless you're willing to trade away one of Toews or Kane, that's not gonna happen.

No, Giroux is not worth that. But to the Flyers, he is.


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Whoa, whoa, whoa...........whoa. You guys have been railroading Johnson too much. He led the NHL in faceoffs. He played a good puck possesion game with Stalberg of all people being his only constant linemate. He performed well for the Hawks. I think he finished up at an even plus minus too which is very good for a 4th liner on that team.

If you don't think we can go to the well with Johnson again and get a full healthy season out of him at the same level he played last year, yeah, that's fine. I can understand that and I have my own doubts about how much he has left. I think he's best served as a 13th/14th forward so we can keep him fresh and healthy while not relying on him too much.

Niedermayer, in my opinion, was the worst forward in the entire NHL last season and it wasn't even close.
this is the only reason we should see him as option #35 for 4th Line Center.

Johnson = waste of Roster spot

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