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06-15-2011, 06:29 AM
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Trotter staying in KHL as per Hindle

Don't know the detals of the contract, a rumor was saying a 1-way contract which has to be strange if true.

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If not, a great player to have for the Dogs.

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Don't know the detals of the contract, a rumor was saying a 1-way contract which has to be strange if true.

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If not, a great player to have for the Dogs.
Why would it be strange that they signed him to a one way contract? I would be surprised if he had signed a 2 way after playing for 250k in the KHL. That's how teams keep good veterans in the AHL, otherwise if they can only make 60-100k they would bolt for Europe where they can make more.

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...a rumor was saying a 1-way contract which has to be strange if true.


If not, a great player to have for the Dogs.
Big help for the Dogs with Boyd and Dawes gone.

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Why would it be strange that they signed him to a one way contract?
I can't see it being a one-way deal (perhaps a high AHL salary). Even vets like Sanford and Henry are on two-way deals.

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Why would it be strange that they signed him to a one way contract? I would be surprised if he had signed a 2 way after playing for 250k in the KHL. That's how teams keep good veterans in the AHL, otherwise if they can only make 60-100k they would bolt for Europe where they can make more.
Strange 'cause is Trotter really deserving of a contract like that? Strange also if their thought process is that Trotter is really in play to be in the NHL next year....I don't see it.

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Big help for the Dogs with Boyd and Dawes gone.



I can't see it being a one-way deal (perhaps a high AHL salary). Even vets like Sanford and Henry are on two-way deals.
Sanford and Henry were both making 200k in the AHL. That's about twice what players usually get on two ways.

The other reason for signing Trotter to a one way is that it usually lowers the cap hit, like Drache's deal. If he had a two way instead of 500k 1 way he'd get 200k AHL and 800k NHL. It makes a difference for bubble players, makes it easy for the team to call them up and obviously the player gets paid more in the AHL.

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Strange 'cause is Trotter really deserving of a contract like that? Strange also if their thought process is that Trotter is really in play to be in the NHL next year....I don't see it.
It's not necessarily about what he "deserves" it's probably what it took to bring him back. Plus a 1 way is usually more cap friendly than a two way.

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Sanford and Henry were both making 200k in the AHL. That's about twice what players usually get on two ways.


The other reason for signing Trotter to a one way is that it usually lowers the cap hit, like Drache's deal. If he had a two way instead of 500k 1 way he'd get 200k AHL and 800k NHL. It makes a difference for bubble players, makes it easy for the team to call them up and obviously the player gets paid more in the AHL.
I can see Ryan White passing up his QO for a 1-way 500k deal. Trotter and White are in very different positions though (Chipchura and Pyatt took 1-way 500k deals as well - even though their QO were higher). White, Chipchura, and Pyatt were all very likely to spend the whole season in the NHL though - I doubt Trotter is or that the organization thinks he is.

But I could be wrong obviously - just my opinion.


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At the request of hockey? That's a pretty big request

Really happy it'a 1 year deal. We have so many forward prospects coming in the next 2 years (Leblanc. Kristo, Qualier, Nattinen, Berger) as well as players who will have much impact roles on the team (Avstin, Dumont, Lefebre, Schultz, Conboy, etc.) that we need to think about the longterm line-up flexibility. It's our prospects 1st, then we sign depth players...

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At the request of hockey? That's a pretty big request

Really happy it'a 1 year deal. We have so many forward prospects coming in the next 2 years (Leblanc. Kristo, Qualier, Nattinen, Berger) as well as players who will have much impact roles on the team (Avstin, Dumont, Lefebre, Schultz, Conboy, etc.) that we need to think about the longterm line-up flexibility. It's our prospects 1st, then we sign depth players...
IMO, Trotter has a better shot at being an NHLer than most players you listed.

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I can see Ryan White passing up his QO for a 1-way 500k deal. Trotter and White are in very different positions though (Chipchura and Pyatt took 1-way 500k deals as well - even though their QO were higher). White, Chipchura, and Pyatt were all very likely to spend the whole season in the NHL though - I doubt Trotter is or that the organization thinks he is.

But I could be wrong obviously - just my opinion.
Trotter will be a bubble guy, if we have a few injuries during the year he could play half the year in the NHL. He's probably a bit more NHL ready than Palushaj. He could also make the club if they decide to move on from Pouliot(trade or non tender).

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At the request of hockey? That's a pretty big request

Really happy it'a 1 year deal. We have so many forward prospects coming in the next 2 years (Leblanc. Kristo, Qualier, Nattinen, Berger) as well as players who will have much impact roles on the team (Avstin, Dumont, Lefebre, Schultz, Conboy, etc.) that we need to think about the longterm line-up flexibility. It's our prospects 1st, then we sign depth players...
In terms of guys that cantribute in the NHL the next 2 years, the list is not long...Palushaj Trotter and possibly LeBlanc as skill guys plus guys like Conboy Engqvist Russell and maybe Wyman in checking roles. The others will probably need 1.5-2 years more seasoning before they can contribute at the NHL level...Kristo Bournival Avtsin Berger Schultz Nattinen.

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IMO, Trotter has a better shot at being an NHLer than most players you listed.
Alot of forward prospects coming in HAMILTON, not the NHL. We need to develop our prospects by giving them the time they need.

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Put him on a line with Kosty now that he can talk Russian.

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Hamilton/Winnipeg on waivers, perhaps. Here's hoping he's around in Hamilton. Definitely need to replace Dawes and Boyd and he's a great start!

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Hamilton/Winnipeg on waivers, perhaps. Here's hoping he's around in Hamilton. Definitely need to replace Dawes and Boyd and he's a great start!
Good call. He's a Manitoba native, so might not be the worst move for the Thrashers... erm Jets... erm Moose... erm Whatevers to take a chance on him.

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I thought when we called up the kid line Trotter-Desharnais-White. That Trotter was actually the best of the three. So, I am actually intrigued to see him in camp.

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Could this be a sign and trade?

Can't really see where Trotter fits in our lineup, he's not a bottom 6 type of player, and he's certainly not good enough for our top 6.

Can we realistically get a 3rd rounder for him?

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It either trade bait or the Habs Brass know something we don't. Weird However.

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no clue where he fits in the lineup (ahl bound maybe) but i always been a fan of Trotter. maybe shootout specialist ? he's money 1 on 1 with the goalie


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Could this be a sign and trade?

Can't really see where Trotter fits in our lineup, he's not a bottom 6 type of player, and he's certainly not good enough for our top 6.

Can we realistically get a 3rd rounder for him?
Why would they sign him before trading him? They could ahve traded his rights and let the other team sign him if that was the case.

I think he fits a need for depth. I see him as a 13 to 15th forward in the organisation, more NHL ready than Palushaj. If Pouliot is infact traded/non tendered, he could compete for the spot next to Eller and possibly AK(depending on if they sign/trade for somebody).

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Is it possible that they gave him a 1 way contract so that they could pay him $500k to play in the AHL and to steal him back from the KHL since we lost Dawes & Boyd?

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no clue where he fits in the lineup (ahl bound maybe) but i always been a fan of Trotter. maybe shootout specialist ? he's money 1 on 1 with the goalie

It's so weird to hear that kind of music to an average prospect's plays It's a bit over the top lol.

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Could this be a sign and trade?

Can't really see where Trotter fits in our lineup, he's not a bottom 6 type of player, and he's certainly not good enough for our top 6.

Can we realistically get a 3rd rounder for him?
This was my first instinct, although I'm having a hard time putting together a specific scenario in which that actually makes the most sense.

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Why would they sign him before trading him? They could ahve traded his rights and let the other team sign him if that was the case.
To the best of my understanding, an asset signed at a reasonable rate has a higher potential return in a trade than simply the rights to a player at an unknown rate.


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Sometimes when players come back from europe they qualify for the re-entry waiver exemption, Trotter doesn't as he hasn't played 320+ pro games in North America. That being said, the deal would have to be a 2-way with him making at most 105K in the minors in order for him to not need re-enty waivers for the coming season.

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Sometimes when players come back from europe they qualify for the re-entry waiver exemption, Trotter doesn't as he hasn't played 320+ pro games in North America. That being said, the deal would have to be a 2-way with him making at most 105K in the minors in order for him to not need re-enty waivers for the coming season.
My comment was for assignment waivers in September/October. Presuming he comes to camp with the Habs, fails to make the team, and gets waived to Hamilton, then it's an opportunity for Winnipeg to claim him.

That said, borderline players are rarely claimed in that timeframe, and it's not like Winnipeg is an expansion team or anything, they have solid NHL depth already, so angling for the local flavour is not likely *that* big an attraction for them. At least not right now. But for Trotter himself, the idea that he might be able to come back and eventually play his way into the Winnipeg system might have been a motivator. Who knows. By far most likely he replaces Dawes in Hamilton, of course.

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