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06-16-2011, 10:00 AM
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-sign Markov, Gorges
-Dump Pouliot
-Sign/trade for a #3, #4 D
-Whoever is responsible for PRO scouting! Fire them!
-Add more sandpaper/grit/toughness/PK specialist on the 4th line
(Tom Pyatt is not one of them) at the draft or after July 1st.
-Get Top 9/Top 6 player (Chris Kelly/Rich Peverley/Dave Bolland) at the trade deadline.
-Optional DREAM: Get a gem/steal at the draft that can contribute NOW (our patrice bergeron)
That Pro scouting brought us Eller, Wiz and Moore...

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I don't think the Habs are that far from a cup. First you need luck, even when a top team wins(Chicago) they have bounces go their way along the way. Boston was one of those Cinderella teams that wasn't a favorite to win. They had a good team but most people wouldn't have them in the top 4-5 contenders.

In terms of personnel, health is a huge thing, injuries can be devastating. You need depth to overcome some, but at the same time they have to be reasonable where you can still win.

I think in terms of needs...

Depth on defense will be one, wether now or a rental at the deadline...assuming we re-sign Gorges and Markov. Probably one with a bit of size and a mean streak.

We need another top 6 winger up front, a guy with size who can score 20 and brings a physical edge...Laich, Upshall, Langenrunner etc

Obviously we need Gomez to bounce back to a 60-65 point range.

I think we need another physical player in the bottom 6 plus probably a scrapper, they could be mutually exclusive or one and the same. It could be replacing Pouliot with a torres type plus adding a Hordichuk type enforcer.

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What we need is to have Markov, Subban, Price, Plex, Pac and Cammy to play the whole season.

If those 6 stay healthy all year, we'll be good.

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06-16-2011, 10:07 AM
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What do we have to do to contend for the cup next season? It seems like Boston had a very hard time against us.... So, what do we do to contend for the Stanley Cup next season?


The HABS contend for the Cup next season?

The HABS gave the Bruins problems this past season because of Carey Price!

The Bruins have way more talent and depth than the Habs (renember the Bruins were near the very bottom of the NHL after the 2005 -2006 season and have built a Cup Champ in just 5 seasons - the Habs have been re-building for 18+ years LOL).


The Habs are light years away from being a true Cup contender....the Bruins will own the HABS for the
next 3 - 5 years, or as long as Pierre Gauthier is the Habs GM!



And what if this is....as good as it gets (for the HABS)?

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06-16-2011, 10:10 AM
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I don't think the Habs are that far from a cup. First you need luck, even when a top team wins(Chicago) they have bounces go their way along the way. Boston was one of those Cinderella teams that wasn't a favorite to win. They had a good team but most people wouldn't have them in the top 4-5 contenders.
Just something I wanted to point out... Boston was picked to make it to the SCF almost unanimously by TSN analysts before the playoffs started.

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06-16-2011, 10:14 AM
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The HABS contend for the Cup next season?

The HABS gave the Bruins problems this past season because of Carey Price!

The Bruins have way more talent and depth than the Habs (renember the Bruins were near the very bottom of the NHL after the 2005 -2006 season and have built a Cup Champ in just 5 seasons - the Habs have been re-building for 18+ years LOL).


The Habs are light years away from being a true Cup contender....the Bruins will own the HABS for the
next 3 - 5 years!


And what if this is....as good as it gets (for the HABS)?
Strongly disagree, the Habs outplayed the Bruins in large stretches during their series and the season, Thomas was the difference. Price gave the Habs a chance to win every game and without sounding like a broken record with Markov, Gorges, and Patches playing, it wouldn't have been close and Habs win in 5 or 6.

I am quite happy with the direction this club is going, parity is here in the NHL as evidenced by the last 2 playoffs, the Habs are on the upswing and will be even better this next season, book it.

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06-16-2011, 10:28 AM
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I couldn't agree more. He is a pylon and the biggest bust. I swear that Sather must have had some really compromising pictures of someone on the Montreal organization for us to assume such a liability.
What the hell was Gainey thinking? Did he really think that Gomez was the player we were missing? He was the player that you stay away from.

Pleckanec is good, but he's not a first line center.

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06-16-2011, 10:38 AM
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-sign Markov, Gorges
-Dump Pouliot
-Sign/trade for a #3, #4 D
-Whoever is responsible for PRO scouting! Fire them!
-Add more sandpaper/grit/toughness/PK specialist on the 4th line
(Tom Pyatt is not one of them) at the draft or after July 1st.
-Get Top 9/Top 6 player (Chris Kelly/Rich Peverley/Dave Bolland) at the trade deadline.
-Optional DREAM: Get a gem/steal at the draft that can contribute NOW (our patrice bergeron)
As much as I liked what Kelly and Peverley did during the playoffs, they're both signed for another year, so you can bet Boston isn't going to trade either one to us.

Habs need a little more size and need to be way better 5 on 5. The bruins basically won because of 5 on 5 play. They were great at it.

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06-16-2011, 10:52 AM
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Habs need a little more size and need to be way better 5 on 5. The bruins basically won because of 5 on 5 play. They were great at it.
The Habs got way better 5-on-5 this year than they've been in 15 years. In terms of controlling the play and generating scoring chances, they were well ahead of the Bruins (not that the Bruins were anything special) and among the very best clubs in the East. Now all they need to do is get their finish back to an average level, which should happen pretty much naturally.

The Bruins looked good 5-on-5 because they were "opportunistic" and because their goalie pulled off an historic season, not because they were a superior puck possession team or especially good offensively or defensively. Unfortunately, this is not a paradigm you can plan a team around.

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06-16-2011, 10:54 AM
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Steve MacIntyre, Ben Eager and Jagr. Dump Pouliot and Pyatt.

Jagr-Pleks-Cammi
Gionta-Gomez-Patches
Kost-Eller-Moen
White-Desharnais-Darche
MacIntyre

Markov-Gorges
Gill-Subban
Weber-Emelin-Spacek

Price
???

I'd like to get rid of Spacek too, for no other reason than to replace him with a Jim Vandermeer.

Now the top 6 has more size than this past year and more skill.
3rd line has good size and skill.
4th line has grit and size and nastiness. When you play the Ruins, Fleas and Laughs, you insert BigMac rather than Darche or Desharnais. White can play center.

The D would look better with Vandermeer coupled with Emelin or Weber.

When BigMac plays the Ruins, you show him videos of the Patches hit, the beatdown and you dig a little for the Chara Ivanans fight. Then you tell him not to let up if Chara falls, until they are separated.

This may make me sound like a neanderthal, but when you play the Ruins, you fight fire with fire. And if you have to go in front of the league orifice (I think I mean office) to explain your actions, you lie like Chara and the rest of the Ruins.

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Acquire Shanahan's son.
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06-16-2011, 10:57 AM
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Avoid injuries.

And this is not just for us, it's for pretty much every team.

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The parity in the league IS real, and injuries/lucky breaks will do more to win or lose you a cup than nearly anything else, seriously. Montreal has a pretty solid roster, we can improve with 1 top 6 forward and maybe 1 more solid D, but at the end of it what we need is healthy players come playoff times, and with Price in net everything is possible. Boston showed it this year, they did not have the best roster, but they were healthy and their opponents were not. 3 of the 4 teams they faced was practically missing their #1 D.
If you call having 2/3 of your top line injured ( Horton/Savard ) then I guess we were healthy. Your team now while very dangerous in early rounds is not built to go all the way, you will need to add some size and skill to your forward ranks to be a legit cup contender.

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The Bruins were a good team but they had every break imaginable along the way. They beat 3 of the 4 teams with that team missing their top defenseman. Habs - Markov, Philly - Pronger and Vancouver - Hamhuis. Would Boston had won if Chara was out. I doubt it. The only other player they were missing was Horton. Savard was somewhat replace by Peverly and Kelly ( savard salary went to them). If PG sets up our defense corp like he should and gets a top 6 winger. Next year we could give it a good run.

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That Pro scouting brought us Eller, Wiz and Moore...
*cough*...and Gomez.

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The biggest news is that when it came to the BIG game the NHL let them play with very very few calls. if it was not a scoring chance you could do ANYTHING.

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What do the Habs have to do? Change the way they build the roster and change the way they play offensively.

Stop living in a fantasy world where small fast teams have a chance to make it through the East and all the way to the Cup.

That would take a change of philosophy, and ask yourself if this management team has it in them to change who is on the roster, and how they are coached to play.

You need a back up goalie who can win 10 games or more, and does not upset the balance of your true #1, Price.

On D, you need the have a third pair that simply grinds opposing players down. You need size so they can last 82 games plus 20 MORE intense playoff games.

You need to get MUCH bigger at the center position. And not just goons, guys who can chip in 20 goals and 30 assists. You need a top 2 line winger that is big and makes room for Gionta and Cammelari. AK? I had been a supporter for years but...

You need a 3rd line that can skate and hit, and score 45 goals.

You need a 4th line that can score 20 goals and punish opposing D on the dump and chase. They have to be hard to play against. They have to be able to keep up with the pace of the game, no Laraques.

Then you need a coach to look at the roster, and build an offensive game plan built around what he has, not what he thinks will lose him the least amount of games.

And you cannot have your Subban's, Price's etc get abused. You need the team spirit to have othegr players get in there and protect the team's assets.


... Good luck with that.

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- sign Markov, Gorges and Wiz
- get a top 6 RW for the Plek/Cammy line
- get 1 or 2 bottom 6 guys w grit and size

would be nice to be able to dump Gomez and upgrade at the 2nd line C position but that's just dreaming

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If we are to compare our team to the Stanley Cup winners.

Goaltending - Price is as good as Thomas

Defense - (Markov, Gorges, Subban, Gill, Emelin, Spacek, Weber) - Not quite as tough because of the Chara factor but better offensively with Markov and Subban.

Forwards - (Not many changes are expected for the Habs) - Skill wise, the Habs might have an advantage. Boston's 3rd and 4th line are better and tougher right now. There is more size and toughness on the first 2 lines also.

Coaching - strategy and system seem similar but Julien is much more emotional and involved during the games.

So, to me, the missing ingredient is pretty simple : Size and grit, both on D but especially up front.

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So going forward, how do we improve our team and contend for the cup next season?

Cammalleri - Plekanec - ?????
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Kostitsyn - Eller - ?????
White -????? - Moen
Desharnais

Markov - Subban
Gill - Gorges
????? - Yemelin
Spacek

Price
?????

FYI: I left Pouliot out because I feel that he is done in Montreal
1- Be Healthy all season and playoff
2- Stop dumb penalties
3- Win faceoffs

With this lineup, Montréal are close to be contender:

Michael Cammalleri - Tomas Plekanec - ????? (Brooks Laich)
Max Pacioretty - Scott Gomez - Brian Gionta
Andrei Kostitsyn - Lars Eller - ????? (David Desharnais)
Travis Moen - ????? (Maxime Talbot) - Ryan White/Mathieu Darche

Andrei Markov - Josh Gorges
Hal Gill - P.K. Subban
Alexei Emelin - ????? (Yannick Weber)
Spacek or Hamrlik if we can trade Spacek.

Carey Price - Carey Price

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Sandpaper, sandpaper, sandpaper. Look at what the Bruins, Canucks, Hawks and Flyers had in common the last 2 years. They were the intimidators.

Skill can only take you so far. The most obvious example is Marchand vs. the Sedins this year. There was no comparison to what they contributed to their teams in the Finals.

Guys like Torres, Bieksa, Ladd, Hartnell, Buyfuglien, etc. They don't make too much the majority of the time so it shouldn't be hard to up that level on our team. But it's not a strategy that our management seems to follow.

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That Pro scouting brought us Eller, Wiz and Moore...
Wiz gone.
Moore gone and he wanted to play with us.
They brought us: Moen
Laraque
Pyatt
Pouliot
GOMEZ

The bad outweighs the good.

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As much as I liked what Kelly and Peverley did during the playoffs, they're both signed for another year, so you can bet Boston isn't going to trade either one to us.

Habs need a little more size and need to be way better 5 on 5. The bruins basically won because of 5 on 5 play. They were great at it.
I was more refering to the type of players not the actual players themselves

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We need a few things to happen.

1. The East has to continue to suck and hopefully teams (other than ours) stay very unhealthy.

2. Price and Subban would have to become ultra elite players AND stay healthy.

3. We need far more grit and better scoring up front.

4. Markov would have to come back as good as ever and be healthy.

I don't see it happening.

Personally, I think the thing that this roster needs more than anything is an elite center (preferably a big strong guy) to go along with what we have up front. If we had this Cammy would be better and it would allow Pleks to play in the 2nd center role which would be a natural fit. Our chances would be exponentially improved. Unfortunately, elite centers are a little hard to come by esp when you already have a huge cap hit on a guy who'd not producing. If we got this center though, at least it would be something we could build from.

Too bad us looking for a great center is like Philly looking for a goalie. It just never seems to happen.

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06-16-2011, 12:18 PM
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The Habs got way better 5-on-5 this year than they've been in 15 years. In terms of controlling the play and generating scoring chances, they were well ahead of the Bruins (not that the Bruins were anything special) and among the very best clubs in the East. Now all they need to do is get their finish back to an average level, which should happen pretty much naturally.

The Bruins looked good 5-on-5 because they were "opportunistic" and because their goalie pulled off an historic season, not because they were a superior puck possession team or especially good offensively or defensively. Unfortunately, this is not a paradigm you can plan a team around.
The beat us without scoring a 5 on 5 goal. That means the Bruins are better 5 on 5. I think they had 5 pp goals through 18 games. That's terrible and not a team that wins, unless you can kill penalties and score 5 on 5. It's not something you can build around, but another skilled player playing 3rd line minutes could help us even more at that.

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Don't really want to bring that back again but we really need to get bigger... I know it's not a factor to win games but it helps ! Don't need to have goons like laraque, just player that loves to hit.

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