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06-15-2011, 09:21 AM
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Draft Pick

According to the Fourth Period , NJ 4 th pick is available. That makes the 1 st, 4 th 5th and 8 th pick that is availble. If we were to trade up, which pick should we target and who should we target?

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06-15-2011, 10:01 AM
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According to the Fourth Period , NJ 4 th pick is available. That makes the 1 st, 4 th 5th and 8 th pick that is availble. If we were to trade up, which pick should we target and who should we target?
Picks 1 through 30 are all available at the right price.

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Picks 1 through 30 are all available at the right price.
Yeah, I doubt any GM will hang up the phone if you call about their pick. We have the assets to add any pick in the draft if we want it bad enough.

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06-16-2011, 10:21 AM
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So as an NHL GM...put on Gauthier's shoes...what does Boston winning do to how teams are built going forward?

I know that for the most part it's a fad and from year to year the cup winners change pretty dramatically...Chicago won with a deep, high powered offense, puck moving defense and an average(at best) goalie with poor rebound contol.

Boston won behind a hot goalie(with poor rebound control), big defense that is a lot less mobile than Chicago, a counter attacking offense with a few big players and some small, quick ones.

Detroit and Pittsburgh look more like Chicago than like Boston.

From a Habs perspective, goaltending is a lot more like Boston than like Chicago. Defense they seem to want to build a skilled mobile one with a couple of punishers(Yemelin and Tinordi). Up front right now it's a smaller group but some big guys should make their way...Eller, Pacioretty. PG still has work to do toi fill out the forwards, he probably has room for a bit of skill but also a couple of guys with sandpaper.

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06-16-2011, 10:43 AM
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So as an NHL GM...put on Gauthier's shoes...what does Boston winning do to how teams are built going forward?

I know that for the most part it's a fad and from year to year the cup winners change pretty dramatically...Chicago won with a deep, high powered offense, puck moving defense and an average(at best) goalie with poor rebound contol.

Boston won behind a hot goalie(with poor rebound control), big defense that is a lot less mobile than Chicago, a counter attacking offense with a few big players and some small, quick ones.

Detroit and Pittsburgh look more like Chicago than like Boston.

From a Habs perspective, goaltending is a lot more like Boston than like Chicago. Defense they seem to want to build a skilled mobile one with a couple of punishers(Yemelin and Tinordi). Up front right now it's a smaller group but some big guys should make their way...Eller, Pacioretty. PG still has work to do toi fill out the forwards, he probably has room for a bit of skill but also a couple of guys with sandpaper.
Generally speaking, the teams that have won Cups have a lot of well rounded players on their team. Players that can still perform when intensity and physical play rises to its highest level.

They also have depth and tend to get heroic efforts from depth players (Kelly, Ryder, Peverley, Byfuglien, Bolland, Talbot, Fedotenko, Talbot, Hudler, Samuelsson, Moen, Pahlsson, etc).

Last but not least, their best players have to be their best players when it counts. The two most important forward on the Boston team are Krejci and Bergeron. Krejci had 4 GWG, including one overtime winner, and set up Horton's series clinching goal against Tampa. Bergeron had 2 goals in Game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals. They finished 1-2 in team scoring. Meanwhile the Sedins did SFA.

What does that mean in terms of building a team? I think an oversimplified explanation would be that you have to build a team with a lot of depth consisting of players with attributes that make them likely to perform in intense, physical situations. Guys with a mix of passion, skill, poise and character.

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06-16-2011, 10:51 AM
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This was posted in another thread by poster Pierre Jr(?) but I think it deserves to be posted here as well, if it hasn't already, I might have missed it then..

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steve...tion/139/36356

This all but guarantees that Gomez will be back next year, in a contract year kind of situation. Obviously, PG must have a decent read wheter a Compliance Buyout Clause will be added in the new CBA. If so, I don't see any reason for him to ship Gomez out of town unless he gets a good deal, which we all have pretty much has ruled out.
Seems like a total red herring to me. The compliance buyouts were necessary with a brand new salary cap structure coming in, but they aren't going to be part of the next CBA, since the cap structure is already in place, and is not at all likely to be changed much.

Gomez is still going to have to prove himself this coming season. The repercussions of failing to peform well are just status quo: the Habs might try harder to trade him (i.e. giving up something to move his contract as "negative value"), or they might buy him out (4 years of cap penalty being less painful than the current 6), or if he's truly bad enough they could look at the banish-to-minors scenario (doubt it, he'd have to be REALLY bad for that, worse than this past season).

Hopefully it never comes to any of that and Gomez just turns in a good season. But there isn't any compliance buyout option coming to bail us out if he doesn't.

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06-16-2011, 10:52 AM
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For fun, time for this org to get serious.

Two moves:

-bury Gomez
-tell Spacek that he can play in Europe or go to Hamilton - my guess is he goes to Europe

Then:

-give Richards, Gomez' money.
-sign Laich
-re-sign Wiz
-sign Konopka and M.Bradley

Pacioretty-Richards-Gionta
Laich-Plekanec-Cammy
Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen
Bradley-Konopka-White

Markov-Yemelin
Gill-Subban
Gorges-Wiz

Price
Auld

Book it.

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06-16-2011, 11:33 AM
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Seems like a total red herring to me. The compliance buyouts were necessary with a brand new salary cap structure coming in, but they aren't going to be part of the next CBA, since the cap structure is already in place, and is not at all likely to be changed much.

Gomez is still going to have to prove himself this coming season. The repercussions of failing to peform well are just status quo: the Habs might try harder to trade him (i.e. giving up something to move his contract as "negative value"), or they might buy him out (4 years of cap penalty being less painful than the current 6), or if he's truly bad enough they could look at the banish-to-minors scenario (doubt it, he'd have to be REALLY bad for that, worse than this past season).

Hopefully it never comes to any of that and Gomez just turns in a good season. But there isn't any compliance buyout option coming to bail us out if he doesn't.
That's a good point obviously.
As said, hopefully he rebounds and has a strong season.

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06-16-2011, 11:35 AM
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For fun, time for this org to get serious.

Two moves:

-bury Gomez
-tell Spacek that he can play in Europe or go to Hamilton - my guess is he goes to Europe

Then:

-give Richards, Gomez' money.
-sign Laich
-re-sign Wiz
-sign Konopka and M.Bradley

Pacioretty-Richards-Gionta
Laich-Plekanec-Cammy
Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen
Bradley-Konopka-White

Markov-Yemelin
Gill-Subban
Gorges-Wiz

Price
Auld

Book it.
That's a sexy lineup, but it would never happen. I'd also try to sign Upshall.

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For fun, time for this org to get serious.

Two moves:

-bury Gomez
-tell Spacek that he can play in Europe or go to Hamilton - my guess is he goes to Europe

Then:

-give Richards, Gomez' money.
-sign Laich
-re-sign Wiz
-sign Konopka and M.Bradley

Pacioretty-Richards-Gionta
Laich-Plekanec-Cammy
Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen
Bradley-Konopka-White

Markov-Yemelin
Gill-Subban
Gorges-Wiz

Price
Auld

Book it.
How fast are Konopka and Bradley? D and top 9 are unreal, but we need a 4th line that never stops. Don't really know much about those 2.

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06-16-2011, 11:57 AM
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What is a "35-plus" contract?

Players who sign multi-year contracts when they are age 35 or older (calculated on June 30 of the season the contract begins) count toward the cap under all circumstances, regardless of where (or if) the player is playing. The only cap relief is $100,000 from the player's cap hit if he is assigned to the minors after the first year of the contract.
There are only two ways to get cap relief over 100K for Spacek (as far as I can tell):

1. Trade him
2. He sustains an injury

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06-16-2011, 12:00 PM
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For fun, time for this org to get serious.

Two moves:

-bury Gomez
-tell Spacek that he can play in Europe or go to Hamilton - my guess is he goes to Europe

Then:

-give Richards, Gomez' money.
-sign Laich
-re-sign Wiz
-sign Konopka and M.Bradley

Pacioretty-Richards-Gionta
Laich-Plekanec-Cammy
Kostitsyn-Eller-Moen
Bradley-Konopka-White

Markov-Yemelin
Gill-Subban
Gorges-Wiz

Price
Auld

Book it.
How many times do people have to say that his cap hit will still count towards the salary cap because he signed a 35+ contract

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06-16-2011, 12:17 PM
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When is it announced what the salary cap will be next year?

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06-16-2011, 12:36 PM
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When is it announced what the salary cap will be next year?
Usually around the draft.

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How many times do people have to say that his cap hit will still count towards the salary cap because he signed a 35+ contract
But in some circumstances we might still wish for him to go away, even knowing this. For example, if we were able to re-sign all the incumbent D, and Yemelin proved to be capable of NHL activity... or substitute some decent signing cheaper than Hamrlik/Wiz, whatever...

Markov-Gorges
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Gill-Subban
Yemelin-Weber

Spacek might still legitimately be #9 on the depth chart, and bound for Hamilton, even with his cap hit still counting. I would be trying to sign 9 guys, anyway. Then if training camp said Spacek was #9, fine, waive him down. Defensive depth is important. Too bad for us that our #9 guy might cost $3.8M. But hopefully Subban/Yemelin/Weber would be big enough cap bargains to more than make up for that.

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When is it announced what the salary cap will be next year?
There have been leaks saying about 63 mil. The official announcement will probably be within a few days.

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How many times do people have to say that his cap hit will still count towards the salary cap because he signed a 35+ contract
If he leaves for Europe does it not go off the cap even though it is +35?

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If he leaves for Europe does it not go off the cap even though it is +35?
Nope it's the same as going to the AHL.

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Nope it's the same as going to the AHL.
Geez, what an absolutely abysmal signing.

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Rutherford (Canes GM) on Pitkanen, Jokinen, LaRose: "We know what their position is. It does not appear we will be able to sign them."

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When will I see "Confirmed with Link: Markov back @ 5.5mil" ?!!

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When will I see "Confirmed with Link: Markov back @ 5.5mil" ?!!
Why do I get the feeling we won't re-sign him.

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Why do I get the feeling we won't re-sign him.
14 days to go. I'm confident they'll make some right decisions.

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There's gotta be SOMEBODY willing to take Spacek for a year. A team with tons of cap space that knows they aren't going to compete. Spacek is a great teammate/ dressing room guy and can still play top 6 minutes (not on a contender though). Pouliot is not coming back anyway so package him with Spacek to Florida or something for a coke and a smile.

Hell we could even take back a million or two in salary that we could just dump in Hamilton or lose on waivers.

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I would really like Habs to sign a player like Cole, with a cheap and short contract.

Cole could play with Plekanek or with Eller on the third line. Good guy, got experience and could help a player like Pacioretty who play a similar type of game.

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