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06-16-2011, 08:00 AM
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OMG, can we please stop with this.

It doesn't take much to get me to start criticizing Homer. As we all know, I'm not his biggest fan. But he was 100% right in not trading for Thomas at the time.

So many hypocrites on this board. People don't want to give Bryzgalov 6 or more years (taking him to age 37 or more), or give Vokoun 3 or more years (taking him to age 38 or more), but people complain we didn't make a move for the guy who was 36, with 3 more years on his contract, taking him to 39.

Oh, and his is a 35+ contract (something that neither Bryzgalov's or Vokoun's will be).

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Yeah, people, can we just let this thread die? I'm sick of seeing zombie Gagne-for-Thomas.

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Why you all "heff to be mad?" The issue here is not about if a trade for Thomas could have been made for Gagne it's the fact that he was on the block in the first place and he goes on to accomplish this

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...again it's about irony at this point and the neverending goalie soap opera we are subjected to. Besides, Gormley said Carter was brought up as well although everybody asks for him in a trade so that is not a surprise. Even Montreal supposedly asked for Carter when Halak was on the block before he kicked it into high gear last year in the second half of the season. Point in all of this is that if we would have had either of those goalies we would have a cup. Heck if we had a healthy Emery we would probably have pulled out a cup last year. We just have massive bad luck but as they say you make your own luck. Holmgren and Clarke before him have treated goaltending as an afterthought and hence why we keep seeing these other teams we lose to go on and win the cup before us...even teams like Tampa and Carolina who haven't been in the league as long.

This situation is about shining a freakin light on how important it is to have a legit goalie to win it all....that is the larger context I'm trying to bring up that is all but everybody keeps twisting it into little prepackaged rebuttals of "hindsight is always 20/20." Hindsight should also teach you lessons!

With that Flyers have to absolutely try and sign Bryzgalov or Vokoun so that this BS ends or at least there is a better chance it ends....

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One can discuss the importance of goaltending without constant reference to a trade that was never going to happen--more importantly, nor should it have at the time.

Tim Thomas was not a good option for this team last summer. There is no reason to harp on him again and again.

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Didn't read the new posts in the thread but it was never Gagne for Tim Thomas. It was Jeff Carter for Tim Thomas. It was the only way Boston would trade him within the conference.

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06-16-2011, 07:25 PM
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Why you all "heff to be mad?" The issue here is not about if a trade for Thomas could have been made for Gagne it's the fact that he was on the block in the first place and he goes on to accomplish this

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...again it's about irony at this point and the neverending goalie soap opera we are subjected to. Besides, Gormley said Carter was brought up as well although everybody asks for him in a trade so that is not a surprise. Even Montreal supposedly asked for Carter when Halak was on the block before he kicked it into high gear last year in the second half of the season. Point in all of this is that if we would have had either of those goalies we would have a cup. Heck if we had a healthy Emery we would probably have pulled out a cup last year. We just have massive bad luck but as they say you make your own luck. Holmgren and Clarke before him have treated goaltending as an afterthought and hence why we keep seeing these other teams we lose to go on and win the cup before us...even teams like Tampa and Carolina who haven't been in the league as long.

This situation is about shining a freakin light on how important it is to have a legit goalie to win it all....that is the larger context I'm trying to bring up that is all but everybody keeps twisting it into little prepackaged rebuttals of "hindsight is always 20/20." Hindsight should also teach you lessons!

With that Flyers have to absolutely try and sign Bryzgalov or Vokoun so that this BS ends or at least there is a better chance it ends....
We've learned our lessons from this thread from the three or four times it's been bumped. It's like somebody trying to teach us ****ing multiplication at this point.

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06-16-2011, 09:18 PM
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Close This ****ing Tread>>> Jeeeebus

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Tim Thomas For Jeff Carter

Looking back with complete benefit of hindsight... would you say no again?


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When was that ever the deal? I was under the impression it would have been a salary dump type trade, but Homer didn't think he could move the salary...

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When was that ever the deal? I was under the impression it would have been a salary dump type trade, but Homer didn't think he could move the salary...
they keep on talking about in Boston that Chiarelli wanted to trade Thomas for Carter but Philly declined and countered with Gagne. just thinking about how different the season would have been if the trade went through

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Well, Boston doesn't win the Cup....and neither does Philly.

Philly was pretty clearly too banged up to make it all the way through the finals. They were out of gas in the first damned round.

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Looking back with complete benefit of hindsight... would you say no again?
Yes, I would say no again. I will take another decade of Carter over 2 years (maybe) of Tim Thomas.

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Well, Boston doesn't win the Cup....and neither does Philly.

Philly was pretty clearly too banged up to make it all the way through the finals. They were out of gas in the first damned round.
Thank that to the system we run. Either way if you don't have good defense in front of the goalie the goalie won't do well. Boston's team defense was incredible in the playoffs this year.

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06-18-2011, 08:04 AM
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OMG, can we please stop with this.

It doesn't take much to get me to start criticizing Homer. As we all know, I'm not his biggest fan. But he was 100% right in not trading for Thomas at the time.

So many hypocrites on this board. People don't want to give Bryzgalov 6 or more years (taking him to age 37 or more), or give Vokoun 3 or more years (taking him to age 38 or more), but people complain we didn't make a move for the guy who was 36, with 3 more years on his contract, taking him to 39.

Oh, and his is a 35+ contract (something that neither Bryzgalov's or Vokoun's will be).
You just couldn't risk that contract.

In a capless world, I'd have made the deal in second, but we don't live in a capless world.

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You just couldn't risk that contract.

In a capless world, I'd have made the deal in second, but we don't live in a capless world.
Definitely.

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Well, Boston doesn't win the Cup....and neither does Philly.

Philly was pretty clearly too banged up to make it all the way through the finals. They were out of gas in the first damned round.
completely agree. Boston barely won. they won because of an epic mental breakdown by luongo. if they start schneider during a couple games i believe vancouver takes it. of course, if we get thomas the whole season and everything after, including our specific injuries, changes. i just think this is the best team we've had since the 70's and i really want to win with these guys soon. i think Bryz changes who we are in the confidence dpt. and tips us over the edge. WE WILL WIN NEXT

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i just like how many people ask for MORE than just thomas when giving up gagne...
POST- meszaros acquisition this would be tough
PRE- mesz this would've been very good for the orange and black.

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i just like how many people ask for MORE than just thomas when giving up gagne...
POST- meszaros acquisition this would be tough
PRE- mesz this would've been very good for the orange and black.
Boston didn't want to do Thomas for Gagne straight up. They wanted Carter instead..... And Mez was an awesome pick up for us. He fits perfectly into Lavy's system

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And another thing. Thomas on this team wouldn't have gave us the Stanley Cup this season either. No goalie would have been able to do anything against a million 2 on 1s against us every game.

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Wow this is one of the most stupid threads I've read on all of HF.

Everyone and their grandparents wanted to stay the **** away from Thomas last season. No fanbase (and yes you can only talk about fanbase because you don't know what GM's really think) wanted to deal with Tim Thomas. Everyone was convinced he was going to be an anchor for the Bruins for years, even fans in Boston were convinced.

How can one guy in this thread keep blaming Holmgren for this when the rest of the universe was convinced, and probably the poster himself. That's just super hypocritical and highly unfair. Fans here would've killed Homer if he did that trade and it resulted in Thomas being a fluke. Don't tell me you knew Thomas was going to be a Vezina candidate again, he lost his job fair and square to a younger Rask.

Unbelievable. I'm just a Habs fan doing a little round on the Philly boards to read up on the Bryzgalov trade, but this thread just left me awestruck. It's like someone is having fun blaming others and making the fanbase suffer for something that was unpredictable and doesn't have anything to do with the current edition of your team.

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Wow this is one of the most stupid threads I've read on all of HF.

Everyone and their grandparents wanted to stay the **** away from Thomas last season. No fanbase (and yes you can only talk about fanbase because you don't know what GM's really think) wanted to deal with Tim Thomas. Everyone was convinced he was going to be an anchor for the Bruins for years, even fans in Boston were convinced.

How can one guy in this thread keep blaming Holmgren for this when the rest of the universe was convinced, and probably the poster himself. That's just super hypocritical and highly unfair. Fans here would've killed Homer if he did that trade and it resulted in Thomas being a fluke. Don't tell me you knew Thomas was going to be a Vezina candidate again, he lost his job fair and square to a younger Rask.

Unbelievable. I'm just a Habs fan doing a little round on the Philly boards to read up on the Bryzgalov trade, but this thread just left me awestruck. It's like someone is having fun blaming others and making the fanbase suffer for something that was unpredictable and doesn't have anything to do with the current edition of your team.
Thank you god for some sanity.

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Thank you god for some sanity.
Chris, pretty much the only person advocating the deal is Doom... Yet you are thanking this Habs fan for some sanity?

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Chris, pretty much the only person advocating the deal is Doom... Yet you are thanking this Habs fan for some sanity?
You sound bitter.

EDIT: I am actually thoroughly impressed that this thread does not have more people mad that we never acquired Thomas.

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