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06-16-2011, 05:33 AM
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any source on this or are you venting your frustrations with your general managers lack of "shaking things up?"

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any source on this or are you venting your frustrations with your general managers lack of "shaking things up?"
Just venting over our lack of capabilities to overcome the obvious.

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06-16-2011, 07:13 AM
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You have every right to vent. The Bruins are not that much better a team than us (except for goaltending), and yet here they are hoisting the Cup. But Ted, George and Brucie are not interested in winning Stanley Cups, just TV ratings and South East division banners

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06-16-2011, 09:00 AM
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Claude Julien and Boston Bruins:

2007-08- Out in the 1st round
2008-09- 116 point regular season, Lost in 2nd round to lower seed
2009-10- Lost in the 2nd round to a lower seeded team in the worst playoff series collapse in over 30 years
2010-11- Stanley Cup

How much *****ing and moaning would you have done after that run of playoff results prior to this season?

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06-16-2011, 09:28 AM
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Just throwing a name out there....

Mark Messier...
LOL

Yes, because he sure has a brilliant track record of drafting and trading players,

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06-16-2011, 09:31 AM
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Claude Julien and Boston Bruins:

2007-08- Out in the 1st round
2008-09- 116 point regular season, Lost in 2nd round to lower seed
2009-10- Lost in the 2nd round to a lower seeded team in the worst playoff series collapse in over 30 years
2010-11- Stanley Cup

How much *****ing and moaning would you have done after that run of playoff results prior to this season?
This new mantra of yours was easily seen from a mile away. But whatever helps u get through the day.

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06-16-2011, 09:38 AM
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This new mantra of yours was easily seen from a mile away. But whatever helps u get through the day.
What he posted is true, isnít it?

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06-16-2011, 09:44 AM
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1. I really think our collapse against Montreal was worse.

2. How did Bruce follow up on that debacle as compared to Julien?

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06-16-2011, 09:50 AM
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This new mantra of yours was easily seen from a mile away. But whatever helps u get through the day.
What new mantra?

I just find all of this praising of Julien's coaching ability (who was last year's biggest dope among coaches) to be hilariously ironic.

It just shows how petty all of this coach-bashing is.

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06-16-2011, 10:16 AM
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Well it comes off as somehow trying to draw parallels between the two to some conclusion.

Just like the Bowman stuff.

Trying to rationalize our loser is fine if that helps some people. But its not a persuasive argument. I'll have to see some semblence of cohesiveness and teamwork before I even begin to draw comparisons.

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06-16-2011, 10:38 AM
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Claude Julien and Boston Bruins:

2007-08- Out in the 1st round
2008-09- 116 point regular season, Lost in 2nd round to lower seed
2009-10- Lost in the 2nd round to a lower seeded team in the worst playoff series collapse in over 30 years
2010-11- Stanley Cup

How much *****ing and moaning would you have done after that run of playoff results prior to this season?
I agree and Julian had a less talented team, yes or no?

The Caps are loaded with talent and never meet the expectations. Yes or no?

Thank you.

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06-16-2011, 11:00 AM
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Part of the formula to win cup includes durability of the key cogs. Seeing Sedin's head flopping around like a speed bag a la Marchands little lefts, said a lot to me. Like maybe he has two broken hands. Or, taking it, but not dishing it out, a tough formula to use to win a cup. That is, unless you are trying to let the refs decide the series, hoping for a 14 minute powerplay. That was the only highlight I saw of games 1-6 but it was enough for me to believe the B's would win.

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06-16-2011, 11:09 AM
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The simple fact of the matter is - no team that really wants to win keeps a GM that has had 13 years and only 2 playoff series wins against two crappy Rangers teams.

The more I think about coaching, while I still do not feel BB is the guy, he's only been here a few years and it's difficult to magically take a 180 in the middle of the season and expect the players to execute the new system flawlessly enough to beat teams of near equal talent that are used to playing their style. He certainly deserves another year moreso than Mr. Loser up there in his luxury suite.

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06-16-2011, 11:21 AM
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Its a huge feather in everyone's including BB that they could fix pk and play better defensively.

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06-16-2011, 11:47 AM
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Its a huge feather in everyone's including BB that they could fix pk and play better defensively.
Now that the team knows they have no excuse not to play well defensively, the key is to becomes comfortable with it in a way that doesn't strangle our explosive offense. Part of that is going to require some roster edits and the improvement of our bottom 6. Now that I've been level-headed for a month now, I'm OK with giving BB another season. But really, GMGM should've been canned years ago.

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06-16-2011, 11:59 AM
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I agree and Julian had a less talented team, yes or no?

The Caps are loaded with talent and never meet the expectations. Yes or no?

Thank you.
No and No.

You're welcome.

Caps are more talented on the wings. That's about it.

Boston's more talented down the middle, on defense, and in goal.

They've got a Norris Trophy-winning defenseman and a soon-to-be two-time Vezina-winning goalie. Why people undervalue their talent, I have no idea.

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06-16-2011, 12:18 PM
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Again Julien rewarded Chiarelli's good faith with a Stanley Cup. Boudreau gets swept in the 2nd round by a division rival.

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06-16-2011, 03:07 PM
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No and No.

You're welcome.

Caps are more talented on the wings. That's about it.

Boston's more talented down the middle, on defense, and in goal.

They've got a Norris Trophy-winning defenseman and a soon-to-be two-time Vezina-winning goalie. Why people undervalue their talent, I have no idea.
Boston is more talented or their players just STEPPED UP? Big difference.

Marcus Johansson
Nicklas Backstrom
Jason Arnott
Boyd Gordon
Jay Beagle

Compare to:

David Krejci
Brad Marchand
Patrice Bergeron
Rich Peverley

Really that much more talented down the center?

Thomas was almost out the the league last year (17 wins-18 losses in 09-10) and don't we have the god-gifted Green as our close to Norris trophy winner??

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Boston is more talented or their players just STEPPED UP? Big difference.

Marcus Johansson
Nicklas Backstrom
Jason Arnott
Boyd Gordon
Jay Beagle

Compare to:

David Krejci
Brad Marchand
Patrice Bergeron
Rich Peverley

Really that much more talented down the center?

Thomas was almost out the the league last year (17 wins-18 losses in 09-10) and don't we have the god-gifted Green as our close to Norris trophy winner??
Kelly played center and Marchand didn't.

But yes, after Backstrom, that's a HUGE advantage for Boston.

Thomas will have won 2 of the last 3 Vezina trophies. Trying to discount his talent in any way is absurd.

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06-16-2011, 03:13 PM
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Really that much more talented down the center?
Without question. Johansson is a rookie. Seguin was put on the wing rather than being forcefed a role he wasn't quite ready for defensively. Arnott is a fringe second-line center and I'd take Chris Kelly or Gregory Campbell over Boyd Gordon. There's more to Boston's success than just strength down the middle but the Caps aren't close, especially with Backstrom underperforming.

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06-16-2011, 03:23 PM
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Claude Julien and Boston Bruins:

2007-08- Out in the 1st round
2008-09- 116 point regular season, Lost in 2nd round to lower seed
2009-10- Lost in the 2nd round to a lower seeded team in the worst playoff series collapse in over 30 years
2010-11- Stanley Cup

How much *****ing and moaning would you have done after that run of playoff results prior to this season?
Do you not talk in circles? First you call out Julian and the early exits of his team and now it is he has a much more talented team??

Who picked Boston to win the cup this year with this talent laden team?? no one.

It was a combo of good talent and coaching. Not one or the other, that is all I am saying. Boston is talented, but no one picked them to win the cup. Thomas has been awesome, but after last year would you have picked him up to be your number 1? Credit goes to both the players and coaching. Don't hang out Julian because he got it done compared to BB's unfinished businees.

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Without question. Johansson is a rookie. Seguin was put on the wing rather than being forcefed a role he wasn't quite ready for defensively. Arnott is a fringe second-line center and I'd take Chris Kelly or Gregory Campbell over Boyd Gordon. There's more to Boston's success than just strength down the middle but the Caps aren't close, especially with Backstrom underperforming.
A Norris defenseman and Vezina goaltender are also a pretty big part of that equation.

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Well it comes off as somehow trying to draw parallels between the two to some conclusion.

Just like the Bowman stuff.

Trying to rationalize our loser is fine if that helps some people. But its not a persuasive argument. I'll have to see some semblence of cohesiveness and teamwork before I even begin to draw comparisons.
When the rationale of calling Boudreau a "loser" is based on his playoff failures, then it is a proper rebuttal using the same criteria many are already using. Many of the same issues people are seeing with Boudreau and the Capitals also can be seen with the Bruins' playoff performances from previous years. The point is that playoffs are an extremely small sample size; anyone who watches hockey knows that all teams in the regular season will go through stretches where they're unbeatable or where they can barely tie their own skate laces. In the playoffs, that becomes deadly, because all you have to do is lose four games at the wrong time. My problem with Boudreau is that he isn't a guy who can identify a problem and modify his gameplan quickly enough, which lead to the defeats against Tampa Bay and Montreal (in which the Capitals had a 3-1 lead after a dominating two victories following their Game 2 comeback win).

Julian, to be blunt, has the exact same issues, which is what led to that massive collapse last year, and which is why before this year, he was a coach, to put it the way fsnoles did, who consistently couldn't "get it done" despite the quality of team he helmed.

Boudreau is not a great coach, but he is a very good one with some weakness that hurt him in the playoffs. Which is why he's had playoff disappointments at other levels (lost in the first round 5 times and the second round once in the AHL before winning with the Bears and going to the finals the following year).

The question is whether you want to risk waiting to see if Boudreau can get the Caps over the hump like Julian got the Bruins this year (and for how long), or whether you want to risk bringing in a new voice from the coaching staff who will need to prove that he could work with this team.

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Really that much more talented down the center?
Yes. Backstrom is the only real top center on the team, and he was having a horrible year. Jason Arnott was a rental in the twilight of his career, while Marcus Johansson is a non-elite prospect and teenager in his first NHL season. Gordon's a fine defensive center and PK specialist with no offense, while Beagle's a right wing in the NHL.

Meanwhile Krejci and Bergeron are solid two-way centers in their prime, and their offensive numbers were equal to Backstrom's. Marchand's more experienced than Johansson, while Peverley's a more productive player than Gordon and Beagle.

The Capitals had question marks in center all this year. The Bruins were rock solid, even with Savard's health (and with Horton being a center most of his career, that absence was further minimized).

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06-16-2011, 04:32 PM
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Its fine to say that its possible a losing coach can turn it around and say see... Claude did. But that hardly makes it probable and a case for holding on to something.

Every "loser" has their own issues. Every team that loses in the playoffs does so for a variety of reasons. And in order to "turn it around" you have to have sucked first. There's plenty of coaches who haven't to that degree. And plenty more who never turned the corner.

I have zero faith that BB has the ability to outplay, outsmart, outwit his opponent. I also think he has negative leadership ability.

To put it short... you have to be a fatty before you can be the Biggest Loser. But very very little fatties will do the necessary work to overcome their inherent flaws that led them down that road. To hold up those people as a comparable norm doesn't hold water IMHO. Just like holding up the recent cup winning coach.

But I will be there 100% this year rooting for my team and my coach.

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1000 points for whoever gets my avatar.... so fitting the Caps "Rock the Red"!

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