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06-16-2011, 12:51 PM
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Maybe we shouldn't be so worried about Lundqvist being in his prime years?

He's 29, which in goalie years is still pretty young. We all know he's in his prime though and some of us may be a bit worried that this team will miss the boat for Lundqvist's elite level of play. But how long does a prime last for a goalie? I mean look at Tim Thomas. This guy is 37 years old, is about to win his second Vezina in three years, won the Conn Smythe, and won the cup. This begs the question, do you think Lundqvist at 37 will keep up his current level of play, or at least play somewhere near it? Is Thomas just a freak of nature? Do we have more shots with Hank than we think?

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He's 29, which in goalie years is still pretty young. We all know he's in his prime though and some of us may be a bit worried that this team will miss the boat for Lundqvist's elite level of play. But how long does a prime last for a goalie? I mean look at Tim Thomas. This guy is 37 years old, is about to win his second Vezina in three years, won the Conn Smythe, and won the cup. This begs the question, do you think Lundqvist at 37 will keep up his current level of play, or at least play somewhere near it? Is Thomas just a freak of nature? Do we have more shots with Hank than we think?
Tim Thomas didn't become an NHL regular until he was in his 30s. He never plays more than 50-60 games a season.

Lundqvist has been playing 70 games a season in the NHL since he was 23, not to mention in the 2nd best league in the world for a few years before that. He's also played in more international competition than Thomas, since he's been one of his country's best his whole career, and Thomas...hasn't.

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Thomas is an anomaly. He didnt make the NHL until age 31, and is not a butterfly goaltender.

Butterfly goaltenders have a similar issue to MLS catchers. The constant 100 up-and-downs every game wear on the knees, and you develop speed problems as you age. I would expect Hank's performance to start to tail at around age 33-34 (After his current contract with us is up) and for him to be retired by age 37.

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Lundqvist is growing in hockey legend status if he keeps playing at this level as a goalie...He just needs to win some damn cups, lets go management and get this guy some help on offense

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Thomas is an anomaly. He didnt make the NHL until age 31, and is not a butterfly goaltender.

Butterfly goaltenders have a similar issue to MLS catchers. The constant 100 up-and-downs every game wear on the knees, and you develop speed problems as you age. I would expect Hank's performance to start to tail at around age 33-34 (After his current contract with us is up) and for him to be retired by age 37.
Not unless Biron or someone else can carry some of the load and help give hank more rest.

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The issue with Lundqvist and his prime years is a little less to do with his play and a little more to do with his ambition.

If the Rangers don't look like a contender in the next few years, he's going to bolt when he becomes UFA -- and I for one wouldn't blame him.

The guy loves New York, but he loves winning more.

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The issue with Lundqvist and his prime years is a little less to do with his play and a little more to do with his ambition.

If the Rangers don't look like a contender in the next few years, he's going to bolt when he becomes UFA -- and I for one wouldn't blame him.

The guy loves New York, but he loves winning more.
Fortunately for us this team will likely be pretty good by the time his contract is up.

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Fortunately for us this team will likely be pretty good by the time his contract is up.
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NJD's fatso played at a high level until his twilight years also. Elite goalies don't regress tremendously with age. Hank will still be good for a long time to come.

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the issue imo isn't whether or not he'll still be a good goalie in 8+ years, its the fact that every year we fail to put a good team in front of him we are wasting a year of his prime. he's been a top goalie since day 1, and its been 6 years that we've done nothing with him in net...so if you take 2 more years to get the team in front of him set, he might still be good for another 4 years but you will have wasted 8 years of his play to get to that point.

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NJD's fatso played at a high level until his twilight years also. Elite goalies don't regress tremendously with age. Hank will still be good for a long time to come.
Has a lot to do with Broduer's style of play.

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Has a lot to do with Broduer's style of play.
Half style of play/half team in front of him.

Same with Thomas. He can come way out and challenge, taking away the angle, because his defense doesn't let the cross ice pass get through.

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If Gaborik can get back to 40+ goals, add another 30 goal scorer, a couple 20+ scorers, and a guy like Richards who can get 60 assists, then maybe Hank won't be so overworked.

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If Gaborik can get back to 40+ goals, add another 30 goal scorer, a couple 20+ scorers, and a guy like Richards who can get 60 assists, then maybe Hank won't be so overworked.
or at the very least won't have zero margin for error...a reason tim thomas was able to be so argessive in net is he was confident if he got beat his team could get it back for him.

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Half style of play/half team in front of him.

Same with Thomas. He can come way out and challenge, taking away the angle, because his defense doesn't let the cross ice pass get through.
Indeed. Not a ton of horizontal movement for Thomas, his D does a tremendous job of limiting those plays. Which is a good thing for him because that's how he gets lit up. Vancouver spent the entire series trying to put pucks through him and that isn't gonna happen.

Whereas a goalie like Henrik covers up a lot of defensive gaffs with good movement which in turn will wear his body down.

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His body will eventually wear down and he'll decline in his mid-to late 30's.

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I think Hank has 5 or 6 years of really playing at the fantastic level he is now. After that he'll probably tail off a little bit.


We need to go for it while Hank can carry this team.

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I dont think Henrik is overworked from a shots against standpoint. AQt least not consistently. He faces a lot of rubber because he plays in 70 games a season, but on a game-by-game basis, the Rangers defense does a good job keeping legit scoring chances to a minimum.

I can see him playing well into his late 30s.

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Every player is different though- just because Thomas is playing outstanding at age 37 doesn't mean Lundqvist will (hopefully he will be). Drury was awful at age 33 and Selanne was top 10 in scoring at age 40.

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