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08-26-2005, 10:04 AM
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I like Lang a lot but I think he's the only forward I could see the Wings getting some value for and they have too many centers.
Datsyuk would get you a hell of alot more then Lang if you traded him

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08-26-2005, 10:05 AM
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Michae Nylander, Jamie Lundmark and a 2nd rd pick.
isn't the point of dumping Lang to free up salary? And as a Rangers fan you shouldn't want to get rid of Nylander, he killed the Islanders last year

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08-26-2005, 10:07 AM
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Datsyuk would get you a hell of alot more then Lang if you traded him

That's not what I meant...

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08-26-2005, 10:16 AM
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isn't the point of dumping Lang to free up salary? And as a Rangers fan you shouldn't want to get rid of Nylander, he killed the Islanders last year

So did the Rangers sans Nylander.

The trade proposed does free up salary for the Wings. They get a cheaper alternative in Nylander, a guy who could benefit with a change of scenary and a pick which will be an early 2nd round pick.

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08-26-2005, 10:21 AM
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So did the Rangers sans Nylander.

The trade proposed does free up salary for the Wings. They get a cheaper alternative in Nylander, a guy who could benefit with a change of scenary and a pick which will be an early 2nd round pick.

If Detroit could turn around and unload Nylander(for a draft pick), this trade might not be a bad idea.

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08-26-2005, 10:30 AM
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how about Morozov and a 4th rounder for Lang?

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08-26-2005, 11:00 AM
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Can he play the wing?

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08-26-2005, 12:45 PM
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to Buffalo for: Dumont,Mckee?

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i like Lang, a lot. but this is not really a good trade for either team. it leaves Detroit taking on almost as much salary as they are giving up, and it means we'd have a logjam at C. not to mention that i'd hate to see the back of Dumont.

a deal centered around Drury and Datsyuk would be better for both teams, imo.

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08-26-2005, 01:35 PM
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Can he play the wing?
Right WIng, I think

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how about Morozov and a 4th rounder for Lang?
Is Morozov a real player?
I've never really watched him.

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08-26-2005, 01:41 PM
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Well, Rita had a good season in Finland during the lockout:
HPK Hameenlinna FNL 56 21 18 39

But trading him for Robert Lang plus some draft picks is not really an equal trade.
have you been following the trades recently.. they haven't exactly been 'equal'

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08-26-2005, 02:26 PM
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Is Morozov a real player?
I've never really watched him.
as long as you pair morozov with a center who can set him up, he'll bury a lot of his chances. he was a great winger for lemieux, but who wouldn't be. with datsyuk or zetterberg, morozov is a second line winger, legitimately.

what morozov can't do is be effective without the help of his linemates, and beat two defenders, take the puck to the net and score, ala kovalev, kovalchuk, etc...he's basically useless in that regard. he's a fairly cheap 2nd line winger (1.5M or a little more...)

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08-26-2005, 03:05 PM
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Why again does Detroit need to trade anybody? From what I can tell they should easily be able to sign Zetterberg and Datsyuk and Kronwall and still be under the cap.

Lang is a solid player, they won't be moving him.

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08-26-2005, 03:11 PM
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i dont think we need to deal datsyuk... we are forgetting we got 6 mill left and zetterberg isnt gonna ask for 3 mill, meaning thats half already... therefore we are gonna have enough to pay datsyuk 3-4 mill with zetterberg getting 2-3 mill...

i dont think we gotta worry, not to mention if someone upfront gets hurt, our offense is shot to **** w/o lang, if its datsyuk or zetterberg hurt we are screwed completely offensively, not to mention if its someone else, then we bring in a GR guy or trade for a decent guy and our cap is still lower... we arent in trouble at all, not until they sign, we can always trade ppl away later in the year to get under cap, its not that hard, its not like were gonna be at 40-42 mill

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08-26-2005, 03:14 PM
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decent but it takes too much money

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08-26-2005, 03:15 PM
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have you been following the trades recently.. they haven't exactly been 'equal'

What I meant is that the " game-value " of Rita + some draft picks doesn't match up to the " game-value " of Robert Lang.
Or would you say it does ?

Rita surely is a good kid, but Senor Lang is another caliber..

IMO

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08-26-2005, 08:00 PM
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Why again does Detroit need to trade anybody? From what I can tell they should easily be able to sign Zetterberg and Datsyuk and Kronwall and still be under the cap.

Lang is a solid player, they won't be moving him.
Well the situation is this.

If Detroit wants to sign Datsyuk for $3M per year, he'll only sign for two years, which takes him to UFA.

He won't sign at such a salary for a longer term deal (Detroit offered five years).

So Detroit needs to offer more per year if they want to keep him for five years.

As I read it, even if the contract calls for Datsyuk making $3M in his first year and $5M in his fifth year, it gets averaged out for salary cap purposes, which effects Detroit's ability to keep Lang and Datsyuk

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08-26-2005, 08:29 PM
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Well the situation is this.

If Detroit wants to sign Datsyuk for $3M per year, he'll only sign for two years, which takes him to UFA.

He won't sign at such a salary for a longer term deal (Detroit offered five years).

So Detroit needs to offer more per year if they want to keep him for five years.

As I read it, even if the contract calls for Datsyuk making $3M in his first year and $5M in his fifth year, it gets averaged out for salary cap purposes, which effects Detroit's ability to keep Lang and Datsyuk
All of that points to a likelihood that he'll be signed for two or three years at the lower amount, rather than for five years at a higher amount. Looking at the other deals made, I think it's unlikely Detroit gets fair value for him in a trade, so it's better to have him in uniform and in camp, even if we know it'll only be for the next 2-3 years instead of 5.

And if he proves his worth over the next couple of seasons, the Wings will have enough other players either off the payroll or significantly lowered in price (Lidstrom, Lang, Schneider, Shanny, Grinders) that they'll be able to pay him like one of the top players in the game, and he'll have shown he can be trusted on to produce.

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