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08-26-2005, 12:50 PM
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I know I'm not welcome here -enemy territory- but the grudge has a point and he has a wicked avatar so I'll side with him. Aki berg has no puck poise and Nick antropov only plays well against the habs because we don't have anyone strong enough to push him away.

There are better, cheaper replacements out there. If only Toronto fans would stop thinking all their players are the best "Aki berg best 3rd pairing defencemen,etc", they'd be better off.

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I know I'm not welcome here -enemy territory- but the grudge has a point and he has a wicked avatar so I'll side with him. Aki berg has no puck poise and Nick antropov only plays well against the habs because we don't have anyone strong enough to push him away.

There are better, cheaper replacements out there. If only Toronto fans would stop thinking all their players are the best "Aki berg best 3rd pairing defencemen,etc", they'd be better off.

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Berg perhaps, Antropov, not really. You need to factor age into the equation and also realise that the man didn't put up 30 points against the Habs alone last year either.

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I think if Antropov never had that 15 goal game in Khazakstan no one would care he's a mediocre player.
When the leafs come to town I always remind Nik about his only career hat trick that lead the leafs to a 7-4 come from behind victory over the Panthers. He always smiles and Domi gives a pat.

The Leafs were down 4-2 after two periods and nik scored the winnning goal. Panther fans thought the leafs were the fastest team they had seen that season.

Nik deserves a chance to show us he is the player we all thought he would become before the injuries set him back.

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Ok let me take a crack at this.

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First of all, let me state that I am a Leafs fan.
That's fine and dandy. But everyone is still going to rip on you if bash two players without any truthfully factual backup. It happened to me when I wrote my piece on Sundin.

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Secondly...
Can someone please explain to me why the Leafs rushed to sign these two plugs.
No problem. Just tell us which "plugs" you are referring to.

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Antropov has to be the biggest, dumbest, most useless player I have ever seen.
"Big". 6'6" 230 lb. actually. Big is an asset in the NHL.
"Dumb" Are we giving IQ tests to NHL players now? Quick, someone tell me Belak's IQ.
"Most useless player you have ever seen". Is it possible for you to be too young to remember all those 80's teams? Now there would be a discussion about uselessness.
Are there any hockey related things about Antropov you don't like?

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So what if he's physically huge, he's unbelieveably slow and plays like it's a Sunday in the park.
"So what if he's physically huge" Ahh so now after using the word big in a derogatory way you are saying it is an asset. Please make up your mind.

"Unbelievably slow" Hey if you were 6'6" and weighed 230 lb. you would be slow too. But seriously so he isn't the quickest guy under the sun. No team has 18 skaters that are all quick as lightening. You need to look at their other assets as well.

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I don't think I've ever seen him take more than 3 strides in a row.
OK now. Not only is this most likely NOT true is in an opinion that you are not even sure of yourself.

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And Aki Berg?? Your kidding me right?
We are not kidding. You can ask Aki yourself. He posts on here every day.

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If the Leafs ever want to win the cup, new rules or not, they need some Defence.
Defense you say. Antropov was a plus 7 in 2003-2004
http://www.europeanhockey.net/players/show_player.cgi?serial=6642
As for Berg. He was on the Finnish World Cup team. He might not have made the Canadian team if he was Canadian but he is one of the better defencemen. Granted his last season in the blue and white he ended up as a -1 on the season and a -3 in the playoffs. He did have the lowest plus/minus on the team in the playoffs. (nhl.com--stats.) But here is a quote from www.torontomapleleafs.com on how he played last season.

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Berg, 28, played 47 games for Timra of the Swedish Elite League last season collecting 20 points (six goals, 14 assists) with 46 penalty minutes. He finished second among team defencemen in goals, assists and points.
More points than he ever scored in one season in the NHL. Possibly its because it wasn't the NHL. Possibly because Berg is finally reaching his potential. Ferguson decided to sign Berg to a 1.064 million contract and find out which one it was. That is a pretty good deal for a 5th defenceman. And if Ferguson had decided not to tender a qualifying offer Berg's way he would have had to have idea who would replace him. There were no positive suggestions on your part for replacements. Criticism is fine if it is well founded and there are suitable, better and affordable replacements.

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Until they realize that teams like Philly will just punish them for every careless giveaway or man left wide open.
Signing these two lead weights is not helping.
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The past is the past. The defense will have at least one new face in Khavanov and possible a second in Colaiacovo. That shows a willingness to improve an area of concern.


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08-26-2005, 02:01 PM
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Are you insane? Whenever someone passes the puck to Antropov he has no idea what the hell to do with it. That is IF it doesn't get lost between his slow moving skates.



I have watched them...and that top speed your talking about happens about one time in every 3 games. The rest of the time he's out wandering like he doesn't know how to play his position. And the last time I checked things happen pretty quickly in the NHL...not being able to get up to speed quickly leaves you dead in the water.

He's slow, he has no idea what to do with the puck except skate forwards until someone picks it from his slow-moving stick, and he skates like he couldn't care less about a damn thing.

Big guys like Antrpov always get the rap of coasting and being slow - see Kozlov, Lindros and Mahovolich, because of the big stride. Does not make it true though.

I can list 151 NHL defensemen that I would pick Aki Berg before - can you? The point is that not every guy is Nick Lidstrom.

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Are you insane?
Just checked with the doctor. Perfectly sane here. Now I can't say that about the guy next door but that's a whole different story.

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Whenever someone passes the puck to Antropov he has no idea what the hell to do with it. That is IF it doesn't get lost between his slow moving skates.
Ahhh here is the latest scouting report on Antropov.

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ASSETS: Isn't hesitant to use his size to knock opponents around. Plays with poise and patience. Possesses good vision and hockey smarts.
Source for the above.
http://tsf.waymoresports.thestar.com/thestar/hockey/player.cgi?1012

Apparently he has a really GOOD idea of what to do with the puck and actually does it. "Slow" was previously dealt with.

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I have watched them...and that top speed your talking about happens about one time in every 3 games.
You sure it isn't 4 times? Have you counted? Does it matter? He is slow. Not a reason not to sign him.

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The rest of the time he's out wandering like he doesn't know how to play his position.
Refer to scouting report quoted above. This is repetitive.

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And the last time I checked things happen pretty quickly in the NHL...not being able to get up to speed quickly leaves you dead in the water. He's slow,
Things happen really quickly. And yes Antropov is no speedster. But once again lack of world class speed is not a reason NOT to sign a player.

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he has no idea what to do with the puck except skate forwards until someone picks it from his slow-moving stick,
This is the third time you have said the same thing.

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and he skates like he couldn't care less about a damn thing.
He cares.

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While I'll admit that antropov does look alot like bambi when he first hit the ice, paying him 1 mil is fair and I have no problem putting him on the second or third line its all the chatter ive heard about putting him on the top line that has me worried.

As for aki, well I must say this guy gets a bad rap because he is so big we all watch him and think about how good he could possibly be and that might make him look worse then he is.I dont mind Aki as our 6 or 7th d man.

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Ok let me take a crack at this.

That's fine and dandy. But everyone is still going to rip on you if bash two players without any truthfully factual backup. It happened to me when I wrote my piece on Sundin.

No problem. Just tell us which "plugs" you are referring to.

"Big". 6'6" 230 lb. actually. Big is an asset in the NHL.
"Dumb" Are we giving IQ tests to NHL players now? Quick, someone tell me Belak's IQ.
"Most useless player you have ever seen". Is it possible for you to be too young to remember all those 80's teams? Now there would be a discussion about uselessness.
Are there any hockey related things about Antropov you don't like?

"So what if he's physically huge" Ahh so now after using the word bib in a derogatory way you are saying it is an asset. Please make up your mind.

"Unbelievably slow" Hey if you were 6'6" and weighed 230 lb. you would be slow too. But seriously so he isn't the quickest guy under the sun. No team has 18 skaters that are all quick as lightening. You need to look at their other assets as well.

OK now. Not only is this most likely NOT true is in an opinion that you are not even sure of yourself.

We are not kidding. You can ask Aki yourself. He posts on here every day.

Defense you say. Antropov was a plus 7 in 2003-2004
http://www.europeanhockey.net/players/show_player.cgi?serial=6642
As for Berg. He was on the Finnish World Cup team. He might not have made the Canadian team if he was Canadian but he is one of the better defencemen. Granted his last season in the blue and white he ended up as a -1 on the season and a -3 in the playoffs. He did have the lowest plus/minus on the team in the playoffs. (nhl.com--stats.) But here is a quote from www.torontomapleleafs.com on how he played last season.

More points than he ever scored in one season in the NHL. Possibly its because it wasn't the NHL. Possibly because Berg is finally reaching his potential. Ferguson decided to sign Berg to a 1.064 million contract and find out which one it was. That is a pretty good deal for a 5th defenceman. And if Ferguson had decided not to tender a qualifying offer Berg's way he would have had to have idea who would replace him. There were no positive suggestions on your part for replacements. Criticism is fine if it is well founded and there are suitable, better and affordable replacements.

The past is the past. The defense will have at least one new face in Khavanov and possible a second in Colaiacovo. That shows a willingness to improve an area of concern.

Wasting far too much logic on a fallow field. You need to learn to apportion your research and efforts where they will do the most good.

I don't want you to burn out and go away - you are proving, IMHO, a very large (yes, large can be good) asset to this board in your brief time here.

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Wasting far too much logic on a fallow field. You need to learn to apportion your research and efforts where they will do the most good.

I don't want you to burn out and go away - you are proving, IMHO, a very large (yes, large can be good) asset to this board in your brief time here.
Thank you for the kind words. I am sure once the school year starts up and I have to grade 100 Algebra tests I won't have quite as much time to refute nonscencical statments. But this is so much fun that I'll have to find the time somehow.

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Thank you for the kind words. I am sure once the school year starts up and I have to grade 100 Algebra tests I won't have quite as much time to refute nonscencical statments. But this is so much fun that I'll have to find the time somehow.

Ah, so that's where the pedantic style arises from (did I end that sentence with a preposition??).

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Ah, so that's where the pedantic style arises from (did I end that sentence with a preposition??).
You two might need to get a room somewhere IMHO.

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You two might need to get a room somewhere IMHO.
My tall, blond, tanned, intelligent, athletic and beautiful girlfriend would probably object.

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You two might need to get a room somewhere IMHO.

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments.

Not written by me, BTW.

And as the older hands around here well know, I love Pinto and Christ and Timlaps and Mess and Dar and *Porn and others too many to mention whose minds are first-rate and who can put an English sentence together. Waterboy is just another one destined for my intellectual harem.

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Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments.

Not written by me, BTW.

And as the older hands around here well know, I love Pinto and Christ and Timlaps and Mess and Dar and *Porn and others too many to mention whose minds are first-rate and who can put an English sentence together. Waterboy is just another one destined for my intellectual harem.
If you are Catholic you better. And if you aren't then you are in trouble. Sorry I am in a really weird mood today.

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If you are Catholic you better. And if you aren't then you are in trouble. Sorry I am in a really weird mood today.

I forgive you my son, you know not what you say.

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I forgive you my son, you know not what you say.

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Je regret. Mon français n'est pas tres bon. Mais je comprend.

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Here is why Antropov is still here.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php3?pid=14082

Fredrik Modin, a good hockey player, not a superstar, not an all-star and may not make the Oylimpic squads.

but he's a damn fine player for Tampa.

comparing their stats, Antropov has outplayed Modin at this age.

some guys take a bit longer to develop, and I think Antropov is on his way, Bertuzzi took a while, Modin took a while, Antropov will take a while, IMHO, he hasn't peaked yet.

we saw glimpses last year with Poni and Nieuwey of what he can do, with someone more physical like Lindros, well maybee he'll break out big.

that would help our left wing woes if he becomes that 2nd line left winger we need.

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Antropov is a good player, dont give up on him yet!

19 in 26 in a very very difficult russian league, and he is still filling out that frame. Realsitically, he has the potential to be a dominating player. (to a certain extent.)

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Agreed, Antropov has the tools to a be a great player not a star but a great player.

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