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06-17-2011, 10:56 AM
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If Drury gets bought out or retires, then he is responsible for looking for and paying for his medical treatment, whether through his own private insurance or out of pocket. I can only imagine what an insurance policy for a guy with his background would cost, but I'm sure it would be crazy expensive. Not that Drury couldn't afford it, but that's not the point.

By remaining a member of the Rangers organization, he maintains his access to all the Rangers resources. I love all the self-righteous anger over a guy who is clearly just trying to protect himself. You do know that if you get hurt at your job, your company is required to pay you workers comp, right? This is no different.
Retire. Hire as scout/consultant with full benefits. Problem solved.

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06-17-2011, 10:57 AM
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I think all of the Rangers who are up for contract this summer should take less for the good of the team, so that the Drury situation does not affect the team. In fact, if they all sign contracts for considerably less, the team will be able to sign Brad Richards and everybody wins....including the team.

This is how the NHL should work...like socialist Russia.

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06-17-2011, 10:58 AM
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Why are people intent on counting Drury twice in their cap calculations, as Static 80 did below

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The Rangers currently sit at 40.5 mil of cap hit.


Drury is already one of those cap commitments.

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With Drury and Redden's cap hits, the actually number on the cap that the Rangers currently have is 55 million dollars.
No, with Drury and Redden, the cap hit is $47 million. A cap increase of 10% in the summer means the Ranger cap space stands at $22.35 million.

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06-17-2011, 10:59 AM
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This is just RIDICULOUS logic. 99/100 people on these forums wouldn't walk away from $1+ (or $5+) million dollars "for the good of the team" - especially when the guy has gotten his injuries from the sacrifices he made on the ice and for the good of the team. Nearly all of us would make the same decision - for the good of us, our family, and our future generation(s). You're seriously going to sit there and say that you would walk away from millions of dollars (that you've earned via contract)? You're going to try to explain to your wife that Dolan, and the NYR, need the money more than she does? Than her kid(s) do? This is all high and mighty BS and if you were REALLY in Drury's shoes, you'd make the exact same call he did. This noble fantasy isn't how the real world works and, in all likelihood, isn't what you would do either.

He's not "screwing" anybody over. He signed a contract and he expects the other side, that tendered the contract, to stick to their end of the deal. Think he wants to miss the season with a torn up knee? A guy like Drury? Come on.
And yet, many professional athletes have left money on the table. You act like the money is the only thing that matters. I'm telling you it isn't.

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I think all of the Rangers who are up for contract this summer should take less for the good of the team, so that the Drury situation does not affect the team. In fact, if they all sign contracts for considerably less, the team will be able to sign Brad Richards and everybody wins.

This is how the NHL should work...like socialist Russia.
Yeah, no.

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You want to talk about real world economics? You and I don’t live up to the job we’re paid to do.. We get fired!
No questions asked. Drury signed on for big money and delivered very little. Even when relatively healthier his
Production started to dip. A few seasons ago they announced Drury’s “new role” on the team. Seriously? We’re paying you how much to be a third line center? Was that the original agreement.

Sather overpaid to get this guy, because his reputation was a 30+g scorer, huge playoff performer, clutch goal scorer, and leader. After a “good” first season, he has failed to deliver on all accounts. If you can’t do the job that you were hired to do, You have the option of taking a pay cut for a lesser role, or being dismissed. To continue to be awarded for a job you never Ever succeed in filling from day one, let alone now that you are injured is criminal.
Real world? If you sign a contract, and get fired, you get paid. No matter what kind of job you did. It happens all the time. Particularly in sports.

Real world? If you get injured at work, you're entitled to Workers Compensation if you can't work any more.

Real world? Management bears the blame here, not Drury. No one held a gun to Sather's head to offer ludicrous deals to Drury, Redden, Gomez, Rozy, Kotalik, Boo, etc... You can't blame the player for signing the deal, you can blame the GM for offering it.

Real world? If it were you and you were getting close to retiring/ending your career, you'd try to make as much money as possible. Cops do it all the time (last few years, tons of OT, etc.. so their pensions are fatter), RR employees, LIPA, etc... This is nothing new.

Blame the NYR & Sather for being idiotic enough to offer this contract. Don't blame Drury for signing it and expecting them to live up to it.

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I think all of the Rangers who are up for contract this summer should take less for the good of the team, so that the Drury situation does not affect the team. In fact, if they all sign contracts for considerably less, the team will be able to sign Brad Richards and everybody wins.

This is how the NHL should work...like socialist Russia.
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This poster would be correct.

I really feel for you guys, not getting any breaks when it comes to contracts.
So can they not just go to the Max of 69 million or so. Sign Richards for that 7.05 million then have Drury on Long Term injury?

The simple answer to this is to buy out Wolski but I Dont want that to happen as I think he can still help

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06-17-2011, 11:00 AM
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Maybe Drury never deserved to be booed or hated before.. but he sure does now..

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06-17-2011, 11:01 AM
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Yea well. Not everyone is an idealist.

So, the odds of anyone sacrificing anything for any greater good is slim to none.

Not many idealists left in the world today.

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So can they not just go to the Max of 69 million or so. Sign Richards for that 7.05 million then have Drury on Long Term injury?

The simple answer to this is to buy out Wolski but I Dont want that to happen as I think he can still help
We don't have to buy out WW. We'll have 22-23 mil in cap space to re-sign RFA's (assume combined 12 mil) and the rest to sign Richards...

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Real world? If you sign a contract, and get fired, you get paid. No matter what kind of job you did. It happens all the time. Particularly in sports.

Real world? If you get injured at work, you're entitled to Workers Compensation if you can't work any more.

Real world? Management bears the blame here, not Drury. No one held a gun to Sather's head to offer ludicrous deals to Drury, Redden, Gomez, Rozy, Kotalik, Boo, etc... You can't blame the player for signing the deal, you can blame the GM for offering it.

Real world? If it were you and you were getting close to retiring/ending your career, you'd try to make as much money as possible. Cops do it all the time (last few years, tons of OT, etc.. so their pensions are fatter), RR employees, LIPA, etc... This is nothing new.

Blame the NYR & Sather for being idiotic enough to offer this contract. Don't blame Drury for signing it and expecting them to live up to it.
LOL every once in a while a post makes so much sense that you wonder why the poster is wasting time in an internet forum where so many people have nothing more to offer than Drury is a ********* s******.

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Haven't any of you ever read the book Anthem or heard of Ayn Rand??? Chris Drury is an Objectivist!

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could we trade drury to a cash strapped team for basically a 1-2m salary in return? the other team could then claim the 4m insurance so theyd only be paying 1m.

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Two things... We currently sit at over $46m in actual contract obligations for the summer cap. See the chart I made of the first page of the salary cap thread. The only information on there is actuals. No speculation on what our RFAs will get or what the cap is actually going to look like. If the cap including the 10% is over $69m, then the Rangers have around $23m in space, like others have said. I just figured you might want to see the real numbers.

Second thing: you know which point of view is right when JerseyGirl and I actually agree on it.

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And yet, many professional athletes have left money on the table. You act like the money is the only thing that matters. I'm telling you it isn't.
Agreed... 99% of the people looking at the numbers do not understand how perspective changes when you already possess millions. They are looking at it from the point of view of someone who views $1.67 mil as a fortune. $1.67 mil is not a fortune to millionaire athletes.

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And yet, many professional athletes have left money on the table. You act like the money is the only thing that matters. I'm telling you it isn't.
Many? Many, many, many, MANY, more don't leave money on the table. Matter of fact, most take advantage (Jeter) for as long as they can.

Furthermore, Drury probably would've accepted a buyout. It's not his fault that the stupid CBA rules are the way they are. Expecting him to retire and lose 5M+ dollars is just unrealistic and your expectations are way too high.

I don't argue that it wouldn't be nice of Drury to retire. I just think that fans shouldn't have this as an expectation or feel that it's something he SHOULD do.

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Maybe Drury never deserved to be booed or hated before.. but he sure does now..


Can we wait a week to see what actually happens here?

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Actually, how about this:




This includes Drury and Redde, includes Callahan and Dubinsky getting raises up to 4 mill. Anisimov a raise up to $1.8, Boyle up to $1.5, Sauer up to $850

They'd be at 60,800,000...but this is still during the summer, since Reddens cap hit is on the books. So the salary cap is actually at $69.85

Meaning with that roster, the Rangers would still have almost $9 mill to sign Richards with.

Then Redden is sent down in September, getting the Rangers back under the cap (though very close to the limit and they might want to do something else to make a little more wiggle room)

Anyone want to point out potential logic holes?

edit: well, one hole is that Erixon would then have to come up, which would add some cap space. Also that my suspicion is that Capgeek is calculating some summer cap rates for players like Del Zotto and Zucarello, so the real cap space available is probably lower, but still within a pretty close ballpark to the targeted area the Rangers would want to sign Richards at.
You seem to be the only one making sense here. I agree completely. People are freaking out for no reason. The only thing this news tells us is that now Richards will get a huge contract from Sather and we will have the same thread about him 6 years from now.

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Agreed... 99% of the people looking at the numbers do not understand how perspective changes when you already possess millions. They are looking at it from the point of view of someone who views $1.67 mil as a fortune. $1.67 mil is not a fortune to millionaire athletes.
If Mike Tyson, Michael Jackson, etc... found ways to become bankrupt...

Besides, it's not for you, me, or anyone else to decide when someone else has enough money. You simply don't possess enough information nor do you really have the right to tell someone else "Hey, buddy, haven't you made enough money?"

I'm sure you've made more money than many impoverished people who would probably look to you and think you're doing very well and really don't need all of that money that you make. It's all relative.

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Drury is not the bad guy here you have to go no further than the ******* who sits in his suite smoking his cigar and eating sundaes. This is just another clear sign of mis-management, just another Sather screw up upon many. Has one guy this clown has overpaid to come here actually lived up to his contract? He's set this organization back decades!

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Can we wait a week to see what actually happens here?
Naw. It really doesn't seem to make a difference on our offseason since we can go to $69 or so in summer cap.

Still, just annoying that we could have finally seen the amazing headline of "Rangers cut Drury" but now we will not.

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Isn't this a good thing? His career's done, so we don't even have to buy him out?

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Many? Many, many, many, MANY, more don't leave money on the table. Matter of fact, most take advantage (Jeter) for as long as they can.

Furthermore, Drury probably would've accepted a buyout. It's not his fault that the stupid CBA rules are the way they are. Expecting him to retire and lose 5M+ dollars is just unrealistic and your expectations are way too high.

I don't argue that it wouldn't be nice of Drury to retire. I just think that fans shouldn't have this as an expectation or feel that it's something he SHOULD do.
Hmmm? This whole thread is about the potential that Drury will file paperwork declaring himself medically unable to play, in an attempt to block the buyout.

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Real world? If you sign a contract, and get fired, you get paid. No matter what kind of job you did. It happens all the time. Particularly in sports.

Real world? If you get injured at work, you're entitled to Workers Compensation if you can't work any more.

Real world? Management bears the blame here, not Drury. No one held a gun to Sather's head to offer ludicrous deals to Drury, Redden, Gomez, Rozy, Kotalik, Boo, etc... You can't blame the player for signing the deal, you can blame the GM for offering it.

Real world? If it were you and you were getting close to retiring/ending your career, you'd try to make as much money as possible. Cops do it all the time (last few years, tons of OT, etc.. so their pensions are fatter), RR employees, LIPA, etc... This is nothing new.

Blame the NYR & Sather for being idiotic enough to offer this contract. Don't blame Drury for signing it and expecting them to live up to it.
The guy makes over $1,000 a minute. Let's try to keep a little perspective here.

And Drury's deal would not have been ludicrous if he would have performed like he did the first two years when he was actually contributing. The fact that he is was outscored by Lundqvist for most of the season has nothing to do with economics or Sather or anything.

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