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06-17-2011, 11:26 AM
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He's entitled to it because he works for a union that is powerful enough to gain guaranteed contracts for every one of it's members. His salary is not merit-based. It's guaranteed. Nothing else you said matters at all. I'm of the opinion that unions should work with their employers to create a sustainable business model, but it's still the union's job to get the best deal for it's members. Guaranteed contracts are a great benefit and the players should take advantage of it if they want to.
One of the reasons it's guaranteed is BECAUSE of the fact that a player can get hurt WHILE fulfilling the contract. Thus he can't be penalized for not fulfilling his contract. If Drury got hurt skydiving, that would be a totally different matter.

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06-17-2011, 11:26 AM
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#NYR not buying out Drury or anyone else tomorrow... nobody on waivers today, a prerequisite for a buyout.
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Nobody was on waivers today from any team, afaik.

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06-17-2011, 11:28 AM
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can anyone confirm whether or not drury is tradeable if he cant pass a physical this summer?

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06-17-2011, 11:29 AM
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One of the reasons it's guaranteed is BECAUSE of the fact that a player can get hurt WHILE fulfilling the contract. Thus he can't be penalized for not fulfilling his contract. If Drury got hurt skydiving, that would be a totally different matter.
Right, although the little that I know about NFL CBAs is that they don't have these types of contracts for all of their players. Most NFLers can have their contracts terminated if they don't perform.

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#NYR not buying out Drury or anyone else tomorrow... nobody on waivers today, a prerequisite for a buyout.
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Since Drury has a NMC it is his choice whether he wants to be put on unconditional waivers prior to a buyout or not.

Anyway, I think all in all this is a good thing, since like it was said trading him should be very easy. Phoenix wouldn't have to spend a dollar more despite the cap going up if they get Drury. And I really can't imagine him blocking such a trade. He doesn't care who pays his dollars.

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Chris Drury owes the organization that paid him $30 million over 4 years (2 of which were substandard performances) nothing? Where does this entitlement philosophy come from? Sign the contract and everything else that happens afterward is water under the bridge? No expectation of performance? Some individuals with integrity would look at the circumstances and realize they were compensated handsomely for providing minimal contribution to your employer over the past 2 years. He's squabbling over $1.7 mil, which is just 4.7% of his total contract value over 5 years. A contract that paid him handsomely for less than optimal performances. He earned $5 mil in salary his last 2 seasons in Buffalo. That's $40+ mil over the last 7 seasons and people are painting a picture where $1.67 mil is make or break for Drury and his family. If $1.67 mil had serious financial implications for Drury's portfolio, he would have to be one of the worst investors/money managers in the league. This $40+ mil earned over the last 7 years doesn't even include money earned during the prior 5 seasons of his career.

This is about not hamstringing the organization that made paid him a filthy contract for only 2 1/2 seasons of acceptable performance on what should have been a 5 year contract. This is about not negatively impacting the organization's ability to move on and for his former teammates to be able to field the most competitive roster possible so they can continue their hockey careers as his ends. All this over 4.7% of his contract when the organization overpaid him by a good 25% of what he should have been earning for his level of services? Please.
Preach on Preacher.

Its amazing that some can't grasp this simple concept.

The guys hasn't earned half the money he'a already been paid, and now he's looking for that last little money grab?

POS trash MOF'er

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06-17-2011, 11:31 AM
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can anyone confirm whether or not drury is tradeable if he cant pass a physical this summer?
NMCs are not contingent upon a player passing a physical. If he did get traded and waived his NMC, putting him through a physical would be at the discretion of the team that receives his contract.

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Dubi $ 4million
Callahan $4 million
AA - $1.75 million
Boyle $1.75
Sauer $1 million

$12.5 million

Available space to sign Richards - $ 9.5 million
I'd throw in an extra mill for RFA's signing to be closer to being on the safe side, so $8.5 mill to sign Richards, Rangers probably won't go above $7.5

so, $68.5 mill or so, minus Reddens 6.5, so $62 mill, but then you have to add in guys like Erixon, etc. So you're probably looking at just over the cap in a situation like that, but could see players like Zucarello not starting on the team, or whatever. Moves might be made to clear up some small amounts of cap space, etc

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can anyone confirm whether or not drury is tradeable if he cant pass a physical this summer?
Didn't the Devils trade Malakhov and Mogilny after they retired? I don't think passing a physical is needed unless the receiving team wants so.

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06-17-2011, 11:32 AM
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Most NFLers can have their contracts terminated if they don't perform.
NHLPA will fight hard against the possibility of non-guaranteed contracts you mentioned in new CBA. If Bettman wins I do not see him booed ever.

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06-17-2011, 11:32 AM
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Yeah, but I'm not arguing that he's worth the money. He isn't. I'm saying that it's Sather's fault (and the NYR) and you can't blame the player for signing the contract and expecting the club to live up to it. It's not Drury's fault. It's the organization's. I'm sure that Drury knows better than anybody that it's been a rough few years and he hasn't performed as well as he would've liked. Equally, from his standpoint, he probably looks at it that he gave everything he had and his body has become torn up in the process of doing that for the NYR. I can't really fault him for wanting what he was basically guaranteed. It's why he signed here.

Bottom line: blame Sather.
Its Drury's body breaking down and his inability to do anything on the ice that is the reason for this thread. If he performed like he did the first two years a buy out would not even be considered.

This has nothing to do with the fact that Drury was overpaid as a UFA. If he signed a deal for 4 or 5 million per (which would have been viewed as a ridiculous steal at the time) he would still be bought out. He has been that bad. And unless Sather or someone in the organization beat his knees and back with a pipe, its Drury's "fault", or his body's anyway.

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06-17-2011, 11:33 AM
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Yah, the receiving team in a trade does not have to put the player through a physical; it's totally up to them to do so.

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Wait.

Drury buyout numbers would be
2011-12: $3,716,667
2012-13: $1,666,667
= $5,383,334

Drury's salary next season, $5,000,000

So he'd be getting more in a buyout? Yet is taking the $5,000,000 in one year?

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LTIR might actually help the Rangers if I understand this correctly.

1. Drury would be put on LTIR for the entire year (thereby, he doesn't play for the NYR)
2. Rangers could spend up to ~69.5 million to the Cap (thereby gaining 7.05/million cap space instead of 3.3)
3. We have no penalty next year against the cap

So, other than the Rangers having a little larger payroll (69.2 vs. 62.5 or whatever), what's so bad about this?

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Its Drury's body breaking down and his inability to do anything on the ice that is the reason for this thread. If he performed like he did the first two years a buy out would not even be considered.

This has nothing to do with the fact that Drury was overpaid as a UFA. If he signed a deal for 4 or 5 million per (which would have been viewed as a ridiculous steal at the time) he would still be bought out. He has been that bad. And unless Sather or someone in the organization beat his knees and back with a pipe, its Drury's "fault", or his body's anyway.
It's no ones fault. He's getting old. The bodies of old athletes break down, and they get hurt. It's part of the risk of signing guys to long term deals.

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06-17-2011, 11:40 AM
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Right, although the little that I know about NFL CBAs is that they don't have these types of contracts for all of their players. Most NFLers can have their contracts terminated if they don't perform.
Parts of NFL contracts are guaranteed, not the whole thing. I believe that's the only sport whose contracts are not guaranteed.

This has to be collectively bargained, and it's something the NHLPA will never give up.

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Which is exactly what he's supposed to do under the CBA...
but he doesn't HAVE to.

There's no one forcing him to file these papers.

He's doing this on his own to block the buyout to prevent the loss of 1.67 million.

Nothing more, nothing less.

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What's the name of that baseball player who retired because he felt he wasn't living up to his contract, and how much more money than $1.7 million did he end up giving up?
Gil Meche gave up his last year at 11 million.

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Even with the injury could Dru allow us to buy him out?

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I'd throw in an extra mill for RFA's signing to be closer to being on the safe side, so $8.5 mill to sign Richards, Rangers probably won't go above $7.5

so, $68.5 mill or so, minus Reddens 6.5, so $62 mill, but then you have to add in guys like Erixon, etc. So you're probably looking at just over the cap in a situation like that, but could see players like Zucarello not starting on the team, or whatever. Moves might be made to clear up some small amounts of cap space, etc

Really, the important matter is that the Rangers have ample to sign the important RFAs and still pursue Richards. Sept 15 rolls around, Redden comes off the cap, and space is created, and then Drury is placed on LTIR on opening night, and the Rangers can then go $7.05 million over the cap. A little too much drama, wouldn't you say?

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LTIR might actually help the Rangers if I understand this correctly.

1. Drury would be put on LTIR for the entire year (thereby, he doesn't play for the NYR)
2. Rangers could spend up to ~69.5 million to the Cap (thereby gaining 7.05/million cap space instead of 3.3)
3. We have no penalty next year against the cap

So, other than the Rangers having a little larger payroll (69.2 vs. 62.5 or whatever), what's so bad about this?
His cap hit would still count for this summer if he was put on the LTIR, no? If his is put on the LTIR, next season would be great though... Avery, Wolski, Christensen, Drury all gone with no buyout still affecting the rangers.

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Even with the injury could Dru allow us to buy him out?
Yes, he could. An attempt to have himself declared medically unable to play is a choice entirely up to Chris.

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Really, the important matter is that the Rangers have ample to sign the important RFAs and still pursue Richards. Sept 15 rolls around, Redden comes off the cap, and space is created, and then Drury is placed on LTIR on opening night, and the Rangers can then go $7.05 million over the cap. A little too much drama, wouldn't you say?
But ... but... Toronto fans are already celebrating their guaranteed signing of Richards! Don't let this information get out. You'll be breaking thousands of hearts.

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I think all of the Rangers who are up for contract this summer should take less for the good of the team, so that the Drury situation does not affect the team. In fact, if they all sign contracts for considerably less, the team will be able to sign Brad Richards and everybody wins....including the team.

This is how the NHL should work...like socialist Russia.
and James Dolan should share his oodles of $$$ with me.

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