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06-18-2011, 10:20 AM
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I think it will be one of Read/Testwuide/Holmstrom and one of Sesito/Rinaldo. (assuming we lose 3 or so guys from the current roster) I see the rest as all long shots. On D I'd be surprised if anyone leapfrogged Gustafsson.

Wellwood needs another year IMO and I can't comment on the porn star since I don't really know a ton about him. I've seen Aekson and wonder if his game can translate into the NHL. He'll need AHL time for sure and even then I have some doubts. Keep in mind his age last year as well.

Out of the whole lot of prospects I'm actually the most excited to see Read. He really lit it up once he got to the A and seems like he totally came out of nowhere. I like guys like that that just produce. I've been searching for link on it but I read an article (I'm thinking Philly.com) where Homer mentioned Read and Testwuide as 2 guys they were looking at to compete for spots. If someone finds it please link it.

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More on Akeson (apologies if you've read some of this before)

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Over the course of four seasons with the Rangers, Akeson has recorded 249 points (68G, 181A) in 193 games.

Akeson will attend Flyers rookie camp this summer where he hopes to impress the Flyers staff.

“I just want to show my skill and offensive ability but also be responsible defensively. You go there and want to be a playmaker and sniper and stuff like that but defense always comes first. I just want to be able to be trusted when they put me on the ice and hopefully they give me a shot.”

Some scouting reports list Akeson as a ‘soft’ player with a slender build who doesn’t have enough elite speed or skill to play in the NHL. Whatever the case, Akeson doesn’t think so.

“It’s a little tough (to compare my game), but I guess I’m pretty good mold of Claude Giroux,” he said “He’s a pretty good buddy of mine and I like to look to him so I try to compare my game after his.”

Akeson wouldn’t commit if we will turn professional after his junior season.

“The flyers are a great organization and I’m happy to be a part of it. Hopefully we can keep up the success in the future.”

http://thehockeyguys.net/?p=2993


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“He’s got a special gift. He can see the ice like not a lot of players can. He’s got that extra patience with the puck. Everything is moving fast but, I think, in his head, it looks like it’s in slow motion. He gives himself that extra time so he can make those players.”- Kitchener Rangers Captain Gabriel Landeskog


“He’s got elite vision, he’s got elite passing ability. That’s what separates him, he is able to make plays that other guys can’t make. I think his passing level, his hockey sense, are at a pro level right now.”- Kitchener Rangers GM/Head Coach Steve Spott


http://flyersfaithful.com/2011/04/25...-jason-akeson/


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"Akeson wasnt drafted bc his first draft year he broke his wrist was out a lot of games. His second draft year - who knows. He hasnt really started producing before this year. He was ranked on Central Scouting his second draft year i believe but kinda just fell out.

I think Akeson has the potential to be a really good 3rd liner to pretty good 2nd liner. Basically in a weak draft year he is about just as good as a 29th or 30th draft pick."

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"With a career regular season points-per-game average of 1.29, it’s unfathomable as to why an NHL team didn’t use a draft pick on him at some point over the past two years, although he was invited to the Anaheim Ducks training camp this past summer. "

"Skill is clearly not a hindrance, as the Orleans, Ont., native has superior on-ice vision, slick hands and is a decent skater who competes at both ends of the ice and along the boards."

"At 5-foot-11 and 183-pounds, Akeson likely wasn’t passed over because of his size, as there are much smaller players with half the skill among the 422 players drafted in ’08 and ’09."

"Perhaps the biggest knock on Akeson is that, previous link aside, he is not the flashiest player and doesn’t own a dominant trait that would make him stand out from the rest. He also made his OHL debut during a brief second-half stint as a 17-year-old and wasn’t a full-time player until he was 18, which likely affected his exposure among NHL scouts."

"Playing in the shadows of players like Jeremy Morin, Jeff Skinner and John Moore, who were all first or second round picks in the past two years, likely factored in as well."

http://dusterpuck.com/?tag=jason-akeson

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More on Akeson (apologies if you've read some of this before)

Partial article excerpts with links:

Over the course of four seasons with the Rangers, Akeson has recorded 249 points (68G, 181A) in 193 games.

Akeson will attend Flyers rookie camp this summer where he hopes to impress the Flyers staff.

“I just want to show my skill and offensive ability but also be responsible defensively. You go there and want to be a playmaker and sniper and stuff like that but defense always comes first. I just want to be able to be trusted when they put me on the ice and hopefully they give me a shot.”

Some scouting reports list Akeson as a ‘soft’ player with a slender build who doesn’t have enough elite speed or skill to play in the NHL. Whatever the case, Akeson doesn’t think so.

“It’s a little tough (to compare my game), but I guess I’m pretty good mold of Claude Giroux,” he said “He’s a pretty good buddy of mine and I like to look to him so I try to compare my game after his.”

Akeson wouldn’t commit if we will turn professional after his junior season.

“The flyers are a great organization and I’m happy to be a part of it. Hopefully we can keep up the success in the future.”

http://thehockeyguys.net/?p=2993


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“He’s got a special gift. He can see the ice like not a lot of players can. He’s got that extra patience with the puck. Everything is moving fast but, I think, in his head, it looks like it’s in slow motion. He gives himself that extra time so he can make those players.”- Kitchener Rangers Captain Gabriel Landeskog


“He’s got elite vision, he’s got elite passing ability. That’s what separates him, he is able to make plays that other guys can’t make. I think his passing level, his hockey sense, are at a pro level right now.”- Kitchener Rangers GM/Head Coach Steve Spott


http://flyersfaithful.com/2011/04/25...-jason-akeson/


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"Akeson wasnt drafted bc his first draft year he broke his wrist was out a lot of games. His second draft year - who knows. He hasnt really started producing before this year. He was ranked on Central Scouting his second draft year i believe but kinda just fell out.

I think Akeson has the potential to be a really good 3rd liner to pretty good 2nd liner. Basically in a weak draft year he is about just as good as a 29th or 30th draft pick."

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"With a career regular season points-per-game average of 1.29, it’s unfathomable as to why an NHL team didn’t use a draft pick on him at some point over the past two years, although he was invited to the Anaheim Ducks training camp this past summer. "

"Skill is clearly not a hindrance, as the Orleans, Ont., native has superior on-ice vision, slick hands and is a decent skater who competes at both ends of the ice and along the boards."

"At 5-foot-11 and 183-pounds, Akeson likely wasn’t passed over because of his size, as there are much smaller players with half the skill among the 422 players drafted in ’08 and ’09."

"Perhaps the biggest knock on Akeson is that, previous link aside, he is not the flashiest player and doesn’t own a dominant trait that would make him stand out from the rest. He also made his OHL debut during a brief second-half stint as a 17-year-old and wasn’t a full-time player until he was 18, which likely affected his exposure among NHL scouts."

"Playing in the shadows of players like Jeremy Morin, Jeff Skinner and John Moore, who were all first or second round picks in the past two years, likely factored in as well."

http://dusterpuck.com/?tag=jason-akeson
Akeson is an overage player. He's playing Juniors as a 21 year old. That needs to be taken into consideration.

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Akeson is an overage player. He's playing Juniors as a 21 year old. That needs to be taken into consideration.

That's not accurate, Akeson never played in Junior (the OHL) as a 21 year old.

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That's not accurate, Akeson never played in Junior (the OHL) as a 21 year old.
He just turned 21, he's still an overage player. The point I made is entirely accurate. And is a point you should have considered in forming your opinion on Akeson.

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I'll believe Akeson is worth anything on a higher level when he proves it.

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I'll believe Akeson is worth anything on a higher level when he proves it.
I'm with you!

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I want to see akeson + giroux on a line.

i think giroux would be a great mentor for akeson, and probably is our best bet at getting him "NHL Ready" by the playoffs

the kids is already 21, the sooner we get him some ice time with NHL competition the better IMO. (I have high hopes for akeson, and think he can be a real talent...not just a overager with great numbers.)

also, our AHL situation is far from resolved, so i dont see how putting him in that awful locker room is good for his development vs. keeping him near 'roo who i'd say is a guaranteed good influence.

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I want to see akeson + giroux on a line.

i think giroux would be a great mentor for akeson, and probably is our best bet at getting him "NHL Ready" by the playoffs

the kids is already 21, the sooner we get him some ice time with NHL competition the better IMO. (I have high hopes for akeson, and think he can be a real talent...not just a overager with great numbers.)

also, our AHL situation is far from resolved, so i dont see how putting him in that awful locker room is good for his development vs. keeping him near 'roo who i'd say is a guaranteed good influence.
So even if Akeson isn't an NHL player at this point, which is likely, they should still keep him on the team just to be near Giroux? I think your overstating the awful locker room for the Phantoms.

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He just turned 21, he's still an overage player. The point I made is entirely accurate. And is a point you should have considered in forming your opinion on Akeson.
I'm well aware of Akeson's age, apparently moreso than you were. I don't need to be told what I need to consider in forming my opinion from you. Do you even know my opinion?

The statment you made was factually inaccurate, there's no disputing that. Now, if you want to raise the point that his banner season this year should be somewhat discounted because he was an over-ager, that is debateable. It's not like Akeson's production this season was an outlier. He put up well over a point per game as a 19 year old, as an 18 year old, as a 17 year old etc. Also, a primary reason overagers are advantaged is they are typically more physically developed than their younger competition. With Akeson's relatively small build, that's not a significant factor here.

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I'm missing why Read is such a lock to make this team. He's never played more than 58 games in a season, and that was BEFORE college. If he makes the team, he's going to be worn out by the All-Star Break.

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I'm missing why Read is such a lock to make this team. He's never played more than 58 games in a season, and that was BEFORE college. If he makes the team, he's going to be worn out by the All-Star Break.
I've got the same concerns. If he makes the team, I don't expect him to be very good at all by the end of the season.

edit: it depends on his ice time though.


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I'm missing why Read is such a lock to make this team. He's never played more than 58 games in a season, and that was BEFORE college. If he makes the team, he's going to be worn out by the All-Star Break.
Which at that point the All-Streak Break will be perfectly timed for him to recoup

I don't think many people are suggesting he is a lock for the whole season, but he will more than likely see some NHL time. Even if he stays up the whole time, it doesn't mean he won't be in and out of the line-up. I just look at the fact that he is on a 1-way contract, it shows that management has some confidence in his abilities. Whether or not management is right is a different story.

Either way, it looks like this will be a year we have to test out our weak farm.

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I'm well aware of Akeson's age, apparently moreso than you were. I don't need to be told what I need to consider in forming my opinion from you. Do you even know my opinion?
I read your opinion. Akeson is 21. And he was an overage player. Apparently you do need to be told what to consider regarding Akeson's chances to make the Flyers.

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The statment you made was factually inaccurate, there's no disputing that. Now, if you want to raise the point that his banner season this year should be somewhat discounted because he was an over-ager, that is debateable. It's not like Akeson's production this season was an outlier. He put up well over a point per game as a 19 year old, as an 18 year old, as a 17 year old etc. Also, a primary reason overagers are advantaged is they are typically more physically developed than their younger competition. With Akeson's relatively small build, that's not a significant factor here.
Yes, being an overage player is a significant factor, it always is. It's not debatable. It's should be considered. The main point I made was factual and apparently something you overlooked. 20 or 21, he is still an overage player. This is no different than when you had to be told the factors that come into play when selecting a Captain at the Junior level.

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Which at that point the All-Streak Break will be perfectly timed for him to recoup

I don't think many people are suggesting he is a lock for the whole season, but he will more than likely see some NHL time. Even if he stays up the whole time, it doesn't mean he won't be in and out of the line-up. I just look at the fact that he is on a 1-way contract, it shows that management has some confidence in his abilities. Whether or not management is right is a different story.

Either way, it looks like this will be a year we have to test out our weak farm.
Everywhere I see they've got him penciled into our lineup. I don't see them handing him a spot on the team. Holmgren hastily forced Sbisa and Nodl onto the team in their first training camps, and it didn't work. And I don't really think him having a one-way contract will be the determining factor. He has a lot to show in a short amount of time, and his numbers with the Phantoms are probably inflated because it must be a shock to the anatomy of the front office that they actually has a competent offensive player. To put him in our Top 9 forwards when he's never played a full schedule is pretty foolish.

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I read your opinion. Akeson is 21. And he was an overage player. Apparently you do need to be told what to consider regarding Akeson's chances to make the Flyers.



Yes, being an overage player is a significant factor, it always is. It's not debatable. It's should be considered. The main point I made was factual and apparently something you overlooked. 20 or 21, he is still an overage player. This is no different than when you had to be told the factors that come into play when selecting a Captain at the Junior level.
I'm not saying being an overager didn't factor in on his banner year at all, but when you look at the earlier numbers, when he wasn't an overager, he still produced at a high level, so obviously his being an overager this season was the differentiating factor in his ability to produce.

Also, as I mentioned, a big reason why overagers are perceived to have an advantage is due to their increased physical stature. This factor is negligible when it comes to the still smallish Akeson.

These are factors you need to consider when forming your opinion.

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I'm missing why Read is such a lock to make this team. He's never played more than 58 games in a season, and that was BEFORE college. If he makes the team, he's going to be worn out by the All-Star Break.
JVR went from collage to NHL. And ya he pretty much was tired near the end, but just because they didnt play close to 80 some games a year, doesnt mean that will inhibit them from making the team.

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JVR went from collage to NHL. And ya he pretty much was tired near the end, but just because they didnt play close to 80 some games a year, doesnt mean that will inhibit them from making the team.
To be fair, Read at 25 would be physically better prepared for a full NHL season than most kids (JVR included) are at 20 and 21.

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Everywhere I see they've got him penciled into our lineup. I don't see them handing him a spot on the team. Holmgren hastily forced Sbisa and Nodl onto the team in their first training camps, and it didn't work. And I don't really think him having a one-way contract will be the determining factor. He has a lot to show in a short amount of time, and his numbers with the Phantoms are probably inflated because it must be a shock to the anatomy of the front office that they actually has a competent offensive player. To put him in our Top 9 forwards when he's never played a full schedule is pretty foolish.
Unfortunately we have grown too accustomed to having a top 9 filled with top 6 players. I agree he is nowhere near a top 6 player, nor has he demonstrated being competent enough to be above a 4th liner.

But considering our cap constraints and weak prospect pool, he seems like the most likely candidate to be given that opportunity.

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haha...I remember Nodl being so bad that I never wanted to see him on the NHL team again. oops.

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haha...I remember Nodl being so bad that I never wanted to see him on the NHL team again. oops.
To your defense, he really did completely remake himself into a two-way player in the AHL.







Haha dumbass!

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I'm not saying being an overager didn't factor in on his banner year at all, but when you look at the earlier numbers, when he wasn't an overager, he still produced at a high level, so obviously his being an overager this season was the differentiating factor in his ability to produce.

Also, as I mentioned, a big reason why overagers are perceived to have an advantage is due to their increased physical stature. This factor is negligible when it comes to the still smallish Akeson.

These are factors you need to consider when forming your opinion.
I disagree that physical size is a big reason why overagers have an an advantage. It's about experience level and maturity as a player. And it's not a perception. It's a reality. And Akeson's smallish size has little to do with it. He's a overager, plain and simple.


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The fact of the matter is this:

Most likely, ONE of Matt Read, Eric Wellwood, Mike Testwuide, or Ben Holmstrom is going to at least start the season in the top 9 for the Flyers.

You can pretty much flip a coin on who it's going to be because it's going to come down to who comes in and has the best camp / pre-season.

I think the reason most people considering Matt Read to be the odds on favorite wo in the job is for a number of reasons:

*He is 25 years old
*He had 13 points in 11 games for the Phantoms last spring
*He is the most purely skilled of the bunch
*Our prospects aren't all that good

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I want to see akeson + giroux on a line.

i think giroux would be a great mentor for akeson, and probably is our best bet at getting him "NHL Ready" by the playoffs

the kids is already 21, the sooner we get him some ice time with NHL competition the better IMO. (I have high hopes for akeson, and think he can be a real talent...not just a overager with great numbers.)

also, our AHL situation is far from resolved, so i dont see how putting him in that awful locker room is good for his development vs. keeping him near 'roo who i'd say is a guaranteed good influence.
I personally don't want Giroux anywhere near any of our young players to "mentor them" at least on the ice. Giroux, for as good as he is, makes some really boneheaded pass attempts that too often end up on an opposing players stick.

There is a very good reason that nearly ALL of our young forwards spend at least half a year on Richards line. It's because RICHARDS is the only player we want to "train" these kids on how to play on the ice at the NHL level. JVR has become a very solid 2-way player because he was put on Richards line and Richie mentored him on how to be defensively responsible FIRST, and that NOT attempting risky plays doesn't have to take away from your offensive game. We certainly don't want a team full of Briere's running around as our forwards (something that would be more likely if we let Giroux "mentor" the kids).

Giroux may be a more gifted player than Richards but Richards is by far the SMARTEST forward we have on this team. He is the ONLY one who should be "mentoring" players on what to do on the ice. Now if you want to discuss his off-ice issues then that's another story, but on-ice, Richie is my man.

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To your defense, he really did completely remake himself into a two-way player in the AHL.



Haha dumbass!


Yeah, I too was in that boat of NEVER wanting to see Nodl in a Flyers uni again. Hey I'm a big man and will admit when I'm wrong. He's done a great job at improving his game and I'm glad to have him on the team. I hope he reads this too.

I REALLY hope they resign him as I believe he's a valuable asset to our top 9. Is he a future star??? No. Is he going to carry the offensive in our top 9??? No. However, he IS a good complimentary player who fills out the top 9 nicely. Inexpensive guys like him are both needed and valuable to every team. I'm very glad to admit I was wrong about him.

Oh, and I was wrong about Carcillo too but in the opposite direction, but that's another topic I really don't want to go into.

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