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06-17-2011, 09:37 PM
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Me too. For the most part Coburn is pretty solid on D which is what we need more of, but Carle on the other hand..
And Coburn really brings his game in the playoffs, meaning he uses his size a lot as opposed to during the regular season when he's so-so with physicality.

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I think Coburn is worth his money honestly. Until he starts scoring some, he isn't ever going to make more than he does now and the guy is a horse. He's a player we should keep.

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I will be extremely pissed off if we trade Coburn over Carle. Like, fuming mad. When Kimmo is worn down and Pronger is hurt, we relied on Meszaros and Coburn. Carle sucked without Prongs, Coburn is effective in the playoffs.

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TSN Flyers Off Season Game Plan

Not bad analysis for the most part


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=369256

This stat was interesting...unfortunately it's catching up to him IMO

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Veteran Kimmo Timonen is as steady as they come, not to mention as durable and consistent. He's missed a total of 27 games in the last ten seasons, playing 22-23 minutes per game and scoring between 35 and 45 points in seven of the last nine seasons.

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I will be extremely pissed off if we trade Coburn over Carle. Like, fuming mad. When Kimmo is worn down and Pronger is hurt, we relied on Meszaros and Coburn. Carle sucked without Prongs, Coburn is effective in the playoffs.
I doubt it will be Coburn..guy is a horse and D men like him are not easy to come by..Carle is more expendable but as much as I'm not his biggest fan b/c I consider him soft when the game gets physical...I hate losing depth at D with Pronger's health not certain.

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I like most of your trade ideas. The only one that I find nearly 100% unlikely is us getting Hanzal for Bobs.

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06-19-2011, 01:03 PM
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if we trade our scraps (Bobs, Carle, Versteeg, etc) we will not like the returns we get.

...like people on other teams cannot WAIT to get their hands on carle (who has a high cap hit and 1 year left before UFA) lol

more likely is moving one of (or both) Carter/Richards and actually getting something VALUABLE in return...

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06-19-2011, 01:13 PM
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if we trade our scraps (Bobs, Carle, Versteeg, etc) we will not like the returns we get.

...like people on other teams cannot WAIT to get their hands on carle (who has a high cap hit and 1 year left before UFA) lol

more likely is moving one of (or both) Carter/Richards and actually getting something VALUABLE in return...
I love how all of a sudden Bob is scraps....

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06-19-2011, 01:15 PM
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3 million ins't really that high a cap hit when you consider what some guys make for doing not much more.

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06-19-2011, 01:27 PM
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if we trade our scraps (Bobs, Carle, Versteeg, etc) we will not like the returns we get.

...like people on other teams cannot WAIT to get their hands on carle (who has a high cap hit and 1 year left before UFA) lol

more likely is moving one of (or both) Carter/Richards and actually getting something VALUABLE in return...
After your trade proposal, you can't say much. Carle is not scraps. Carle would be a very sought after player should he be shopped. More than one team would want to lay their hands on him

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06-19-2011, 01:32 PM
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Just saw this on twitter from @***********

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The Philadelphia Flyers will be trading players next week for cap issues, Flyers want to keep Carter. Carle, Coburn and Versteeg are options
please no

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06-19-2011, 01:36 PM
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I love how all of a sudden Bob is scraps....
ummm Bob is a prospect.

He is by no means a large piece.

Im not attacking BOB by calling him scraps, I personally believe he is the real future of our goal tending...not someone we should trade.

but if you are another team, do you look at BOB and say
"oh heres a 1st round pick for your unproven goalie"
probably not.

the simple truth is, BOBs value is low. That is all the more reason for us to keep him.

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there is no way the Flyers should deal Coburn over Carle.

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06-19-2011, 01:40 PM
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After your trade proposal, you can't say much. Carle is not scraps. Carle would be a very sought after player should he be shopped. More than one team would want to lay their hands on him
carle COULD get us a first. but it'd probably be a crappy first, and we need him on our blue line IMO.

The fact that his contract is coming up, and he is going to UFA is NOT going to entice teams to trade prospects for him.

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A crappy first, is still a first. It is also something i would take.

Coburn better be off the market!

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A crappy first, is still a first. It is also something i would take.

Coburn better be off the market!
comparing coburn to carle is mean to coburn.

that said, Carle is a D-man i'd rather not lose. He has chemistry with Giroux and ACTUALLY has a more reasonable cap hit than we give him credit for.

I mean Kimmo's contract is ridiculous
and Meszaros' is pretty high too.

Mesz does his best to play as a 4mil defender (and has been great since day 1)
Carle is doing pretty good for a 3.5mil guy, we would really hurt if we lost him and then pronger/kimmo were out at all next year.

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06-19-2011, 01:51 PM
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ummm Bob is a prospect.

He is by no means a large piece.

Im not attacking BOB by calling him scraps, I personally believe he is the real future of our goal tending...not someone we should trade.

but if you are another team, do you look at BOB and say
"oh heres a 1st round pick for your unproven goalie"
probably not.

the simple truth is, BOBs value is low. That is all the more reason for us to keep him.
What goes to say that their first even remotely plays close to what Bob has played? Bob had a very good rookie season. I can see him nabbing a late first (if they trade him, which I can't see at all)

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06-19-2011, 01:57 PM
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ummm Bob is a prospect.

He is by no means a large piece.

Im not attacking BOB by calling him scraps, I personally believe he is the real future of our goal tending...not someone we should trade.

but if you are another team, do you look at BOB and say
"oh heres a 1st round pick for your unproven goalie"
probably not.

the simple truth is, BOBs value is low. That is all the more reason for us to keep him.
No, Bob is an NHL goalie. Do you not remember him being our #1 this year?

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No, Bob is an NHL goalie. Do you not remember him being our #1 this year?
yes, i remember him playing very well.

I also remember him struggling (HEAVILY) in the post-season.
Something I think most of the league remembers as well.

BOB wouldn't nab us anything good (right now) lets hold onto him and wait!
his value isnt as high as flyers fans think it is
(and its not very high right now compared to what it should be)

whats the rush? he can develop fine under bryz, time is on his side. where was bryz at 23?


there really isnt a lot of league interest in BOB atm, not a knock against him. Just reality knocking on the front door.

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I will be extremely pissed off if we trade Coburn over Carle. Like, fuming mad. When Kimmo is worn down and Pronger is hurt, we relied on Meszaros and Coburn. Carle sucked without Prongs, Coburn is effective in the playoffs.
what? Carle played surprisingly well without Pronger this past season

what were you watching?

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obviously we would of been a lottery team without the great Matt Carle. where would we be without him

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what? Carle played surprisingly well without Pronger this past season

what were you watching?
It's the myth that has been invented in many people's heads that Carle is worthless without Pronger. It's a myth. Carle's numbers were very good without Pronger.

From the TSN article posted above.

"Matt Carle's career turned around in Philadelphia, too, particularly after he was paired with Pronger, but Carle's play has been strong enough to stand on its own merit and he played well even when Pronger was injured last season."

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Me too. For the most part Coburn is pretty solid on D which is what we need more of, but Carle on the other hand..
at least everyone on this thread is sane and not talkin about tradin richards. but versteeg is horrible. i was watchin replays of the playoffs today and he was particularly worthless in the boston series. wide open chances with no idea what to do. zero creativity and reaction with more time than anyone should need. he's rediculous. 3 point what million? my god, we may need help from joey merlino to get rid of him.


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I agree with Versteeg to Florida for a 2nd rounder. ($3.083M gain)

1. Carle to Toronto for the rights to Clark MacArthur and a conditional pick
Toronto gets a power play specialist who can help to produce some of the power play points lost with the trade of Tomas Kaberle. Mac wants $3M, per published reports.

2. Hartnell to Carolina, Edmonton, or Winnipeg for a pick. Really simple: Hartnell at $4.2M or Mac at $3M with other help

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