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06-18-2011, 09:30 AM
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I don't understand the Hamrlik hate. He's still very much a serviceable defenseman in the NHL, perhaps on a teams top 4 and can be relied upon in key situations as seen in the series against the Caps last year.

Unfortunately, he doesn't appear to be in the team's future given the fact that Markov, Wiz, JG etc.. are still unsigned.

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06-18-2011, 09:42 AM
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Hamrlik won't be back IMO unless..........

1. Spacek is traded and / or

2. Markov injures himself longterm signing his contract and / or

3. Hal Gill hits his head on a doorway and suffers a season ending concussion.

And since none of those scenarios will come to fruition Hammer won't return. And not because he is a bad player or old and slow as some suggest - with Spacek and Gill already on the roster there is no space unless it's a desperation move.

Having said that I wish him the best. He was never brought in to be an offensive juggernaut like some seemingly expected. He was brought in IMO to take a workload off of Markov and stabilize the D. No question he did that and more. His offensive numbers never wavered and were very similar to numbers while in Calgary and NYI.

I'll miss those blocked shots and subtle defensive plays he can make that turn into offensive opportunities. Good luck, Hammer!

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06-18-2011, 09:44 AM
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One of Gainey's best move to sign this guy. I thought it was too much and for too long, but in hindsight Hammer really did a splendid job. Couldn't have asked for more.

BUT, it's over. I doubt they sign him. Martin said they wanted to get younger on defense which IMO is a wise decision. If we are to go far in the playoffs, we can't have three 35+ guys on D occupying key spots. If it was a choice between him and Spacek, I'd take Hammer. But since we're stuck with Spacek, then gotta say goodbye to Hammer if we really want to get younger.

Markov, Gorges and Subban is a nice top 3, but I'd rather not have any of Gill, Weber, Emelin or Spacek as the 4th guy in the top 4. I think we need a legit top 4 guy who can replace Markov/Subban/Gorges should any of them go down. Someone like Pitkanen, but then again D is already crowded. That being said, carrying 8 legit NHL D in the line up, with Weber able to play forward if need be, wouldn't be a bad thing if the habs don't want to trade anyone.

I still would feel better with a big addition on D. It would really insulate our D from catastrophic injuries, and make us the best D in the east, possibly league if totally healthy. EDIT: Also, I'm tired of the injury excuse every year. Let's make sure we have a legit plan this season since we now know that Markov is a potential injury away from retirement.


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06-18-2011, 09:57 AM
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i dont even think he deserves his own thread thats how much i hate him and waited for so long for him to be gone so overrated and overpaid spacek wasnt great but got a lot of heat even when hamrlik was the one who screwed on a lot of simple plays


not gonna miss you hammer good luck in the future. i can see him going to a young team like florida or islanders

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06-18-2011, 09:58 AM
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I like Hamr but I'd rather we just sign a guy like Brewer or Hejda who are younger and give us top 4 minutes.

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06-18-2011, 10:04 AM
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Hamrlik is a good mentor to young players on defense. I think that he will fit the 6th role on defense. Maybe on NYI, COL, EDM those teams.

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06-18-2011, 11:00 AM
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Heh I see its like a 80-20 in terms of not bringing back Hamrlik. It's true that he's way past his prime, but I would've liked a familiar face around in case our top 4 went down, injured. If we're not bringing Hamrlik back, then who do we have in the AHL that will be able to perform in the NHL on a call-up? Diaz?

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06-18-2011, 03:13 PM
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Hamrlik has been a stalwart for us for most of his 4 years. I want him back... at the right price and term.

I can see the Habs wanting to add a bit more speed, but I am curious about what they're really planning. Markov, Wisniewski, and Gorges aren't signed yet. There are a variety of options to consider in terms of replacing Hamrlik. But until they materialize, I'll always be interested in taking him back. And if the price was really right and he just flat out wanted to play in Montreal again, I'd go ahead and sign him right now and figure that time would sort it all out if I also subsequently managed to sign all the other players I want. You can't really have too much D. And Hamrlik is a solid, known commodity who can't possibly hurt us. The very worst case for Hamrlik signed on a good short-term deal is that he's worth something nice at the trade deadline.

The one thing with Hamrlik, though, he's clearly good enough to keep playing for 2-3 more years in the league, and if he wants a deal that takes him through to retirement, then probably he needs to test the market to find out if that's out there anywhere. 3 probably won't be, IMHO. But it'd be worth checking out, for him, perhaps.

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06-18-2011, 03:22 PM
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One word: finished

He is a bottom pairing defenseman at this point..

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06-18-2011, 03:42 PM
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I'm kind of nervous of him not being on the roster next season. He's steadied our defence for the last 5 years especially when injuries kicked in and I'm not sold that Emelin will take his spot seamlessly next season. If we have long injuries next year to either Subban or Markov then we'll be screwed and that's why I hope we sign Wiz.

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06-18-2011, 03:50 PM
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He is pretty much the worst playoff performer we've had and ineffective in his role as a top4. He has no future on this team, don't even entertain the idea.
Funny you should say this and then this as well..

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Another thought: Hamrlik attained a nice handful of points but given that our offense is mostly generated from our backend breakouts and the powerplay, his meager point totals are a reflection of his inability as opposed to a cause for celebration. Wiz kept his pace when he came over and our offensive numbers stayed the same. Wiz and Subban and Markov would be lethal going forward.

Hamrlik is a joke.
Do you know that Wiz only has a mere 3 extra points than Hammer at ES this year (NYI + MTL)?
Did you know Wiz had 0goal 2assists in the POs? (Hammer had 3pts btw)
Not to mention he (and Spacek) had the worst +/- among our Dmen in the POs. But I remember, according to the emotional posters here, it was always Hammer's fault. Wiz could unsuccessfully chase a player up to the blue line, like a greyhound chasing a bunny, leaving Hammer by himself with two opponents in front, incapable of catching up Wiz would let the player take a shot/pass, deflect a couple times, land on one of the opponent's stick in front that Hammer was apparently supposed to cover, who has an open net, and Hammer would get blamed for the goal..

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we have room for him. But your posts are full of fail.

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06-18-2011, 04:00 PM
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i dont even think he deserves his own thread thats how much i hate him and waited for so long for him to be gone so overrated and overpaid spacek wasnt great but got a lot of heat even when hamrlik was the one who screwed on a lot of simple plays

not gonna miss you hammer good luck in the future. i can see him going to a young team like florida or islanders
Lots of ugly statements in there. To visitors - not all Montrealers are like this!

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06-18-2011, 04:03 PM
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not gonna miss you hammer good luck in the future. i can see him going to a young team like florida or islanders
I think there's more chances of him going to a contender. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Detroit.

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06-18-2011, 04:45 PM
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I think there's more chances of him going to a contender. I wouldn't be surprised to see him in Detroit.
I'd be a little surprised to see him Detroit. Not sure that's a fit.

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06-18-2011, 04:49 PM
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Funny you should say this and then this as well..



Do you know that Wiz only has a mere 3 extra points than Hammer at ES this year (NYI + MTL)?
Did you know Wiz had 0goal 2assists in the POs? (Hammer had 3pts btw)
Not to mention he (and Spacek) had the worst +/- among our Dmen in the POs. But I remember, according to the emotional posters here, it was always Hammer's fault. Wiz could unsuccessfully chase a player up to the blue line, like a greyhound chasing a bunny, leaving Hammer by himself with two opponents in front, incapable of catching up Wiz would let the player take a shot/pass, deflect a couple times, land on one of the opponent's stick in front that Hammer was apparently supposed to cover, who has an open net, and Hammer would get blamed for the goal..

Don't get me wrong, I don't think we have room for him. But your posts are full of fail.
Good job posting up some accurate information here. Hamrlik would be fine to retain, though he doesn't fit how I'd like to see the team move forward. By that, I mean that Hamrlik plays a slower game. He'll slow down the tempo. And he doesn't have the speed to play a good transition game, which is where I'd like to see Montreal improve and strengthen.

Wisniewski doesn't fit that style of game either, though. He's too fundamentally flawed. Hamrlik's twice the player Wisniewski is in all facets of the even strength game. And, frankly, with Subban and Markov, I see little need to pay up for a PP specialist.

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06-18-2011, 05:28 PM
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I don't like Hammer, but he was 3rd in blocked shots. Well, at least top 5.

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06-18-2011, 06:06 PM
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I don't like Hammer, but he was 3rd in blocked shots. Well, at least top 5.
Gorges can take over that duty (not saying blocking shots should be delegated to certain players, but he has a knack for doing it).

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06-18-2011, 06:20 PM
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I like Hamrlik, but time to move on. With guys like Markov, Wiz, Subban, Gorges, Emelin, Diaz, Weber, Spacek and Gill already in the fold, I can imagine his time here is done. If we had to add another d-man, I'd like a more physical type to compliment our skilled D.

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Hamrlik is a joke.
It depends on the situation. In Montreal, he'll end up logging 20+ minutes... which makes him look like a joke, especially come playoff time.

But, for under a million, as a 6th, I think he'd be alright... but I've seen enough of him, time for him to either retire or finish off his career in a minimal role elsewhere.

Most teams would take Gill over Hamrlik, which is exactly what we did.

Thanks for the services, Roman......babye.

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06-18-2011, 09:55 PM
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I was a big advocate of signing Hammer 5 years ago, but I agree with the general sentiment that it's time to let him go.

He was a rock, and he was reliable. But he's getting older, and both of those are starting not to happen as often.

Thanks for the memories, Hammer.

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06-19-2011, 09:07 PM
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so much hate ITT...

considering im pretty sure we would have missed the playoff the last two year without him, give him some respect. he was often playing top pairing minutes and he's like a billion year old.

i have no problem letting him go, in fact i'd rather see him go, but let's not forget that before the rise of subban, he basically took markov's place when he got injured.

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I would take him over Spacek......anyway imo he's going to sign with the caps.

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i feel like im going with the general consensus here, Hammer played well for the habs in his time here, hes getting older and slowing down, and with Markov going down he logged alot of time and i thought he did a good job. Now his contract is up, and under certain conditions i would bring him back, but spacek has already filled that role as an older player who can still play good with a limited role, althought i think hammer would be better, i dont see us trading spacek, our defense needs to get younger and play a strong transitional game.

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Pros:

- Cheap
- Can slot in as a top 4
- Can eat big minutes
- Playoff experience
- Can fit in a #5-6 role, which can be even better and have him rested for the playoffs where depth pays off and players get injured
- Often go-to-guy when Markov is injured
- Veteran presence on this team
- I'm probably stretching this as much I can...

Cons:

- Age
- Eats up cap space/roster spot
- Quality of play has declined significantly
- Is seen as "replaceable"
- I'm sure people have more to add...

Basically my position is, I'd love both Wiz and Hamr back but we know that's not possible. So now the choice is between a guy with a cannon like Wiz for many years, or having a guy who comes cheap like Hamrlik, who may provide essential depth come playoff time (as in replace one of the top 4 if plagued by injuries). In signing the Wiz, I'm always hesitant of the repercussions of how his contract will affect the signing of Price/Subban etc. This isn't the Wiz thread so I won't go on further, but I'd like to discuss Hamr's future.
These two points kind of contradict themselves a little! I would love Hammer on the team but I don't think he fits in anymore. He seems like the odd man out: we are getting younger and faster and bigger. According to the new signings of Diaz and Emelin, it just doesn't seem like the organization has the intention of keeping him.

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These two points kind of contradict themselves a little! I would love Hammer on the team but I don't think he fits in anymore. He seems like the odd man out: we are getting younger and faster and bigger. According to the new signings of Diaz and Emelin, it just doesn't seem like the organization has the intention of keeping him.
The people who want him will say it's cheap, the people who didn't will say it's waste of cap space.

(lol I'm totally covering myself up)

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