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06-19-2011, 11:51 PM
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FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m)
Darroll Powe ($0.775m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.635m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Shane O'Brien ($1.900m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.500m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $63,500,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,399,432; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $100,568


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God no As a fellow O'Brien, I'd hate to see him here. He's awful, way too mistake-prone, takes stupid penalties, and often a defensive liability. After he was on the ice for the series losing goal against VAN, he took to twitter the next day and talked about how ready he was for his trip to Cabo/Vegas with Bissonette, Lupul, Upshall...as if the game didn't even matter. Plus 1.9m is way too much.

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06-19-2011, 11:51 PM
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Harts to LAK for Simmonds. (I know this is half fantasy - as an arm chair GM)
Carle to anyone for picks.
Lappy LTIR
Leights in AHL
Sign Laich

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FORWARDS
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Wayne Simmonds ($0.850m)
Brooks Laich ($3.250m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m)
Matt Read ($0.900m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Jan Hejda ($2.150m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.333m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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SALARY CAP: $63,800,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,673,321; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $226,679

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06-20-2011, 01:49 AM
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^ not a chance in that happening. Sorry bud. Laich is getting 4+, Hartnell wont get you simmonds.

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06-20-2011, 01:56 AM
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tsn reporting that the salary cap for this coming season will be set at 64 million

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Clubs and agents are being told next year's salary cap will be set at an upper limit of $64 million with a floor of $48 million.

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06-20-2011, 01:57 AM
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Man, this spread like wildfire... and it's almost 3 in the ****ing morning. What a weird time for this .

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06-20-2011, 02:11 AM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Raffi Torres ($1.800m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.577m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Matt Walker ($1.700m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.500m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,911,932; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $88,068


OR......without Walker Shelley cheaper alternatives
Signing E. Cole and A Alberts/similair 1mil D0

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Erik Cole ($3.000m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Darroll Powe ($0.725m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.577m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m) / Andrew Alberts ($1.000m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.500m) / Brian Boucher ($0.925m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,986,932; BONUSES: $850,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $13,068

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06-20-2011, 02:12 AM
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Holy hell. 64! million

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06-20-2011, 02:16 AM
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this is great news for us

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06-20-2011, 02:21 AM
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Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.800m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Raffi Torres ($1.500m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) / Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.250m)

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At 64 million, we can run a completly unchanged 20 man roster. I know we wont, but it's pretty incredible to think we can.

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06-20-2011, 03:20 AM
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CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($3.000m)
Tom Sestito ($0.577m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Danny Syvret ($0.600m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,911,932; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $88,068

I almost **** myself.

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06-20-2011, 04:37 AM
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FORWARDS
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.850m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Ville Leino ($3.000m)
Tom Sestito ($0.577m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Danny Syvret ($0.600m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.000m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,911,932; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $88,068

I almost **** myself.
Best case scenario. If we find a way to get Ville signed, I will be forever grateful.

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06-20-2011, 04:48 AM
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I would actually prefer us to bring in some size and hitting ability instead of leino. He seemed to get "found out" at the end of last year

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I would actually prefer us to bring in some size and hitting ability instead of leino. He seemed to get "found out" at the end of last year
are you talking about the "very end" like the last 4 games of the season? Because everyone on our team got "found out"

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06-20-2011, 04:54 AM
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I would actually prefer us to bring in some size and hitting ability instead of leino. He seemed to get "found out" at the end of last year
If LaRose would sign for 2M or less, I'd rather go for him. Maybe sign Anthony Stewart on the cheap? But honestly, I'd rather give Nodl and Wellwood time on the top 9, mainly because I think they can do well (Nodl with Briere/Giroux and Wellwood with Richards). They are cheap, young, and have a lot to prove, and honestly, I think their energy is something the team needs.

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06-20-2011, 04:59 AM
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Why are the Flyers going to to sign Cody McCormick? He's a 4th line player for Buffalo, and were going to sign him to play with Briere and Carter? And Nodl is going to be the extra forward? This is what I love about the off season, names are just picked out of a hat.
If we really want to add size and some toughness to the roster as several people have suggested, then I don't think McCormick will be completely off the radar for Holmgren. He had a pretty decent series against us (we all know that good games against us can land you a contract next year) and season in general for the Sabres. He will also come in fairly cheap is my guess, and for this roster I needed that.

He won't likely play with Brière and Carter if that were to happen though, I'll give you that. This was probably more due to me falling into the "the-grass-is-always-greener-mentality" that we as fans sometimes stumble into. I don't really want Nödl on our top three lines, so I put Wellwood (speedy enough to keep up at least) and then McCormick could be used as a big body to crash the net on Carter's line. He had pretty similar numbers to Nödl last season, so I don't think it's completely out of the blue, even if it is highly unlikely.

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If we really want to add size and some toughness to the roster as several people have suggested, then I don't think McCormick will be completely off the radar for Holmgren. He had a pretty decent series against us (we all know that good games against us can land you a contract next year) and season in general for the Sabres. He will also come in fairly cheap is my guess, and for this roster I needed that.

He won't likely play with Brière and Carter if that were to happen though, I'll give you that. This was probably more due to me falling into the "the-grass-is-always-greener-mentality" that we as fans sometimes stumble into. I don't really want Nödl on our top three lines, so I put Wellwood (speedy enough to keep up at least) and then McCormick could be used as a big body to crash the net on Carter's line. He had pretty similar numbers to Nödl last season, so I don't think it's completely out of the blue, even if it is highly unlikely.
If you want size and speed (enough speed) with not-so-bad hands, then it would be easier and probably cheaper to just go with Sestito. Put Holmstrom on the 4th line. But honestly, even though we need toughness, we also need endurance, because it looks like we wore the **** out in the playoffs.

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06-20-2011, 05:21 AM
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But honestly, even though we need toughness, we also need endurance, because it looks like we wore the **** out in the playoffs.
Let's get healthy, rested, and ready for 2011-12 with a new goalie and a refocused world class roster.

I'm not buying the whole "Laviolette overworked everyone" nonsense.

It's a good time for our team to just take a deep breath. Do you realize how much stuff our team's done in the past two seasons? Olympics, Winter Classic, deep playoff runs, coaching changes, new systems, injuries, long dominant stints in first place, long drawn out stretches in the league basement, historic playoff runs, goaltending carousels, mass media drama about infidelity and locker room anarchy, and an extremely short offseason.


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If you want size and speed (enough speed) with not-so-bad hands, then it would be easier and probably cheaper to just go with Sestito. Put Holmstrom on the 4th line. But honestly, even though we need toughness, we also need endurance, because it looks like we wore the **** out in the playoffs.
I thought about including Sestito, but the savings wouldn't be that much and with Wellwood and Holmstrom already on the team I though it would be better with someone a little bit more proven than he is. Also, I've never actually seen him play.

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NHL Salary Cap Increase to $64 Million Good News for Flyers
http://nhlhotstove.com/nhl-salary-ca...ws-for-flyers/

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I keep seeing people put together rosters with only 300K, 200K, or even less than 100K in remaining cap space to head into the season. That is simply not at all realistic.

Even teams who spend "right up to the cap" leave around 800K - 1.2 million in cap space heading into the season for injuries / callups.

Don't take it the wrong way because I am trying to help out if you care about being realistic with your proposed lineups, but what I am saying is 100% legit.

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I keep seeing people put together rosters with only 300K, 200K, or even less than 100K in remaining cap space to head into the season. That is simply not at all realistic.

Even teams who spend "right up to the cap" leave around 800K - 1.2 million in cap space heading into the season for injuries / callups.

Don't take it the wrong way because I am trying to help out if you care about being realistic with your proposed lineups, but what I am saying is 100% legit.
I'm quoting myself from earlier, because I addressed that point. I respectfully disagree.

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Not necessarily.

Everyday we are under the cap we are "banking" that cap space which can allow for us to add a pro-rated contract (whether that is through a call-up, or by acquiring somebody). Something that is often forgotten when looking at the yearly numbers. That said, if we are actually utilizing LTIR (with Lappy), then we aren't banking anything at all. Additionally, we could choose to utilize that LTIR for the sole purpose of making a callup if needed.

That and most people's lineups tend to have a 13th forward and 7th d-man, for the purpose of plugging them in should there be an injury. If there is a more substantial injury, chances are we could place that player on LTIR, if we felt it necessary, and then make a subsequent roster move.

Long story short, I think carrying a full million in wiggle room is too much. That's why we have the 13th forward and 7th D.

Welcome to the boards btw. Glad to see a new poster who seems to like to contribute as much as you.

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I'm quoting myself from earlier, because I addressed that point. I respectfully disagree.
And with all due respect, you are wrong.

Scottie Upshall and a second round pick for Dan Carcillo.

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I don't think it's necessary to have as much as 1.2M left in cap space, but you do need a little bit of wiggle room to make roster moves during the season. We should know that by experience after all. Upshall and a 2nd for Carcillo, Metropolit and Väänänen to the waiver wire and inserting David Sloane and Jamie Fritsch into the lineup...

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I keep seeing people put together rosters with only 300K, 200K, or even less than 100K in remaining cap space to head into the season. That is simply not at all realistic.

Even teams who spend "right up to the cap" leave around 800K - 1.2 million in cap space heading into the season for injuries / callups.
I bet there was at least two teams very close to cap at the start of last season. They had something like 200K cap space.

I can't find the numbers at start of the season, can you?

But yeah its good to have a little room...

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And with all due respect, you are wrong.

Scottie Upshall and a second round pick for Dan Carcillo.
How does that point refute anything I've said?

That particular season we had ZERO wiggle room. It was an anamoly because Homer is a moron and can't manage the cap. We had a plethora of players go on LTIR, Homer then replaced them by trading for substantial contracts. So when said players returned, we were forced to waive players just to make it under, send Giroux down in order to dress 6 D when Kimmo had the flu, and sign scrubs off the street when we were in the middle of a playoff run.

That season is not at all indicative of what is normal.

Look at last years numbers. Who kept that much wiggle room aside from the teams that don't spend anywhere near the cap? Very few teams.

http://www.capgeek.com/archive/index.php?year_id=2010

All I'm saying is, it's not as critical as you think it is to carry a million or more in wiggle room. That is why you have a 13th forward and 7th D. Should there be an injury that requires a callup, that is why LTIR exists.

For example, take the following lineup:
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FORWARDS
Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jeff Carter ($5.272m)
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)
Darroll Powe ($0.725m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Tom Sestito ($0.577m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Sean O'Donnell ($1.300m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) / Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,247,488; BONUSES: $1,700,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $752,512

Under 1 mill in wiggle room. You have Shelley (or ideally...not him) as the 13th forward, and Barts as the 7th D. They fill on the short term.

This doesn't even account for the fact that Lappy is on LTIR but we aren't even using it. That is 1.167 in LTIR we can use if we need to. So technically we have 1.919 million in "space" to make a callup.

It really isn't as critical as you think. You need wiggle room for sure, you just don't need a ton.

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