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06-20-2011, 10:24 AM
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That's not what the article says at all. The quote from Svobota says that PG will also be in touch with him about their intentions for Hamrlik this week, since he is his representative. Signing Hamrlik was never connected in any way to Jagr, except for the fact that they have the same agent.
And people thought Hammer would be gone too, yet PG is meeting his agent in regards to him.

Popular belief sometimes ends-up right, but it's no way a yardstick of reality.

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he never will be coming here. i'd love to see it, but he won't.

also, jags6868, you will look very, very silly when that happens... although i'll say your optimism is contagious!
Being used to disapointment makes some fans this way I guess and they don't like to set themselves up for disapointment so they adapt a pessimistic stance because he if doesn't sign, they won't feel bad.

I on the other hand will remain optimistic until he signs elsewhere.

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JDM took English quotes and spun.

The actual article says that Svoboda is waiting on Hamrlik. He never said GP was not interested. Signing Hamrlik would not exclude Jagr from signing.

Montreal has Spacek, Plekanec and might have Hamrlik signed. Enough Czech presend to entice Jagr.
I doubt Gauthier is considering re-signing Hamrlik in order to entice Jagr. The reason De Foy thinks that quote means a lot is because, the way it is formulated, it's as if PG was more interested in talking about Hamrlik than he was about Jagr.

Svoboda: "Hey Pierre, Jagr is interested in playing for your team."
Gauthier: "Yea... well... I'll give you a call soon to discuss Hammer's status."

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JDM took English quotes and spun.

The actual article says that Svoboda is waiting on Hamrlik. He never said GP was not interested. Signing Hamrlik would not exclude Jagr from signing.

Montreal has Spacek, Plekanec and might have Hamrlik signed. Enough Czech presend to entice Jagr.
Honestly that's the only connection I can come up with between Hammer and Jagr.

PG knowingly re-signing Hammer as part of the Jagr situation, though honestly if Hammer can be had at a fair price short term it's a no brainer anyways. I'm not saying he's signing Hammer to lure Jagr, rather that he already knows he's going to land Jagr and is signing Hammer who he knows will have great chemistry with Spacek, Plek and Jagr.

I do agree with the comments about Czech players playing well together. It's like that for basically almost any race

Detroit does it with Swedes, other teams do it with Russians, we're going to try and do it with Czech's and with a strong two-way center in Plekanec to start with, Hammer on the back end (if he signs) we'll have a solid team.

With Hammer being signed though say good bye to Wiz. On the up side Weber could pan out as a similar player production wise and cost us far less.

Markov, Subban, Hammer, Gill, Gorges, Weber, Emelin (Potentially could suck), Spacek, Diaz (AHL)

Now ultimately you've got to figure somebody is being dealt or Markov isn't being signed. I think it's likely somebody being dealt. Maybe Spacek? Who knows. Definitely can't see Wiz fitting into that if Hammer is re-signed though, even with Spacek dealt it doesn't look good even if Hammer gives us a discount which I think he might (2.5-3.5 per)

Maybe the true plan is to put Spacek back on his proper side? But then with Hammer signing that makes no sense as well. Also what's happening with Gorges, no signing? Maybe for some reason PG plans to trade his rights?

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Being used to disapointment makes some fans this way I guess and they don't like to set themselves up for disapointment so they adapt a pessimistic stance because he if doesn't sign, they won't feel bad.

I on the other hand will remain optimistic until he signs elsewhere.
Thats the right attitude...right on.

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hammer can be back as long as he doesn't want more than 1.5-2 and as long as him signing doesn't stop (cap-wise) jagr from signing here

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he never will be coming here. i'd love to see it, but he won't.

also, jags6868, you will look very, very silly when that happens... although i'll say your optimism is contagious!
People though I looked foolish 3 weeks when I predicted that he was coming back and everyone was telling he wasn't.

Now look at the new reports. Jagr is more sold on the NHL than Europe.

My optimism is so contagious that even hockey fans and experts are catching the optimism from me. Go check out the Detroit and Pittsburgh sections.

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I'm wondering since Jagr said that he wanted to make a decision this past weekend and it seems nothing happen. If MTL are interested why waiting? Could he simply be a plan B and they want to test the open market? Salary shouldn't be a problem. What else?
I may have missed something but I don't think Jágr said this. On the contrary, he said he didn't want to rush things, because as far as his life experience goes, rushed decisions hasn't had good consequences for him.

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he never will be coming here. i'd love to see it, but he won't.

also, jags6868, you will look very, very silly when that happens... although i'll say your optimism is contagious!
no he won't; its very clear the guy has good feeling about it and thats about it. At least he's excited about something positive that might happen to the habs, unlike many posters who feel the need to spew all kind of negative crap on the habs 24/7

heres fun short video on optimism

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hammer can be back as long as he doesn't want more than 1.5-2 and as long as him signing doesn't stop jagr from signing here
No!! The habs need mobility in the back end. Especially with the cap going up, we can afford to keep wiz or another gritty mobile defender.

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Last week we were all wondering if this Petr, Jagr's agent was the same Svoboda that played for the Habs, and some people said they were two different people, yet DeFoy says he's the same guy. So is it Svoboda or not? I always thought it was too much of a coincidence that a Europeen hockey agent would have the same name as a former Europeen hockey player.

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hammer can be back as long as he doesn't want more than 1.5-2 and as long as him signing doesn't stop (cap-wise) jagr from signing here
No way he's gonna sign for that low.

The guy was a mainstay last season with over 20-22 minutes a game.

He won't ask for a long contract of course, but he should sign for a one-year, 4 million $ contract no less.


If he is re-signed, it means no Wiz with the Habs.... and maybe not even Markov !!!

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he never will be coming here. i'd love to see it, but he won't.

also, jags6868, you will look very, very silly when that happens... although i'll say your optimism is contagious!
He'd feel disappointed for sure but there'll be no reason to feel silly just because he's being enthusiastic with the idea of Jagr signing with Montreal.

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I doubt Gauthier is considering re-signing Hamrlik in order to entice Jagr. The reason De Foy thinks that quote means a lot is because, the way it is formulated, it's as if PG was more interested in talking about Hamrlik than he was about Jagr.

Svoboda: "Hey Pierre, Jagr is interested in playing for your team."
Gauthier: "Yea... well... I'll give you a call soon to discuss Hammer's status."
It is a quote that is definately duplicitous in nature... I do think tht would be expected, as Svoboda (a former first rounder in MTL, and a winner here, knows the city quite well and probably has a good understanding as to how management is so secretive to it's fanbase, media in general.

Svoboda could just simply be deflecting. To me, it's about the context as to where, who and how the quote was administered.

If it's a quick one liner, it could be a simple deflection comment.
If it's in a long winded conversation, it could be simply protecting the interest he has among the league, as well as the interests of the Canadiens staff of not broadcasting info.
(Keep in mind deals fell through before for LESS than a quote in relative recent history)
Or it could be a purely legitimate quote, saying that Gauthier for some reason or another, feels Jagr w/ Pleks ISNT good (which makes no sense to me, but Im not the decision maker)...

It's quite clear that the no emotions method has been in effect since we fired Julien. Everyone up top is so tight lipped.. You'd think the media were dental extractal specialists

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Lidstrom just signed a one year extension with the Wings... Might be interesting for Wiz to sign there now and play alongside the future HoF.

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HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE?

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If we're actually priorising a file like Hamrlik over a file like Jagr, we only deserve to keep finishing in the bottom-5 of the NHL for scoring.

I'm not french but in the google translate version that I read, it didn't say PG was priortizing Hamrlik. The article I read said that PG would talk to Svoboda about Jagr later in the week at the same time he talks to Svoboda about Hamrlik, his other client.

From what I gathered, Svoboda represents both Hamrlik and Jagr.

But I'm relying on google translate. I think more people should actually read the article.

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Was reading the back and forth from other threads. From the looks of it Pittsburgh isn't going to do it. The report apparently that 5 teams contacted his agent (1 being Pittsburgh) were squashed by Shero, so therefore that one article alone cannot even be considered factual now if one of the GM's who apparently was targeting Jagr never was.

On the NYC side of things Drury is likely retiring due to a career ending injury. Wolski likely to be bought out, I figure they wouldn't want to allocate any funds to Jagr prior to landing Richards which I think is more than likely now. Sather won't take that risk of signing Jagr prior to July 1st.

Detroit and Montreal to me seem like the two main candidates. Detroit just re-signed Lidstrom but I'm sure they could fit Jagr in for 2 million a season, he would likely be more-so a depth signing than anything and wouldn't even likely play with the big boys right off the bat. Plus from what I understand Holland has a ton of other things to prioritize before Jagr.

In Montreal we're hearing a similar story in that PG is prioritizing Hammer before Jagr. Can't say it's worry-some though because Jagr has clearly stipulated at present time that he's busy with his own KHL team and won't be signing anything until it's all figured out. Then there are reports that he'll sign this week. So some contradictions going around as well.

While some rumors seem pretty factual others seem like an outright lie. Plekanec confirms the interest but that's about it.

I'd say we're actually the front runners for Jagr to be honest.

1) He'd have a real spot on the team, he'd definitely get to play big minutes with good players.
2) We do have a fair number of quality Czech players. Spacek could potentially bounce back and Hammer if signed is a solid D. Plekanec is one of the best Czech centers in the game.
3) Cap isn't much of an issue and our management isn't focused entirely on other issues as a result of that cap.

Obviously it's just my own speculation but I could see Jagr signing here. I know he's probably itching to see what it's like to play with that crowd backing him and with the chemistry he's shown with Plekanec, I actually think the signing of Markov would even make Jagr consider it more.

Right now he's probably waiting a bit longer to see what PG and Holland do, what they can offer him, where he will fit on those teams, etc.

I'd say it's Detroit and Montreal neck and neck though, with Pittsburgh out of the race, Washington not even biting and New York being the wild card.

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also, jags6868, you will look very, very silly when that happens... although i'll say your optimism is contagious!
I want Jagr to sign here more than ever now, not because of what Jagr will do on the ice but for what jags6868 will do for the Habs forum.

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Last week we were all wondering if this Petr, Jagr's agent was the same Svoboda that played for the Habs, and some people said they were two different people, yet DeFoy says he's the same guy. So is it Svoboda or not? I always thought it was too much of a coincidence that a Europeen hockey agent would have the same name as a former Europeen hockey player.
I don't know. Czech media have him as the former D-man but they're generally full of idiots and are not to be trusted. There's indeed another agent named Petr Svoboda.
http://www.nhlpa.com/About-Us/Certified-Agents/

Petr Svoboda is one of the most frequent male names in the Czech Republic, kinda like Pierre Tremblay in Quebec.

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I may as well contribute to the speculation frenzy. I get the impression Jagr has expressed interest in coming back and his agent, who happens to be Hamrlik's agent, is soliciting interest from NHL teams. Some have expressed more interest than others.

In regards to Hamrlik - all I get is that Gauthier will let him know one way or the other. I don't take any comments in that article to mean the Canadiens' are tendering a contract. It could just be the official goodbye to Hamrlik.

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Last week we were all wondering if this Petr, Jagr's agent was the same Svoboda that played for the Habs, and some people said they were two different people, yet DeFoy says he's the same guy. So is it Svoboda or not? I always thought it was too much of a coincidence that a Europeen hockey agent would have the same name as a former Europeen hockey player.
So confusing! I'm 100% sure now Petr Svoboda is the Petr Svoboda that played here and not the other Petr Svoboda. There were two Petr Svoboda players and now people are saying both Petr Svoboda players are agents? Like two Petr Svoboda agents? The Petr Svoboda that played for Montreal is Jagr's agent and the other Petr Svoboda... well I don't know why he's in this Petr Svoboda situation. Not the same Petr Svoboda!

Hell yes for optimism! I'll believe in Jagr coming to Montreal until I'm proven otherwise. People want to make fun of me? Go ahead if that's what makes you guys happy. I could not care less.

Tony Marinaro mentioned DeFoy's article this morning and made a link between it and his twitter message last month. PG? Doesn't care about Jagr!

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HOW MANY OF YOU ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE?




I'm not french but in the google translate version that I read, it didn't say PG was priortizing Hamrlik. The article I read said that PG would talk to Svoboda about Jagr later in the week at the same time he talks to Svoboda about Hamrlik, his other client.

From what I gathered, Svoboda represents both Hamrlik and Jagr.

But I'm relying on google translate. I think more people should actually read the article.
Yes it does say that. DeFoy quotes Svoboda saying PG told him that he will call him this week to tell him what his intentions are regarding both his clients, Jagr and Hamrlik. That's a straight translation of meaning, not word for word.

Seems to me, PG is first waiting to wrap up his small fries and to see what the official cap will be, then he'll probably deal with them all: Markov, Gorges, Wiz, Hamr and Jagr, yes, no whatever.

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No way he's gonna sign for that low.

The guy was a mainstay last season with over 20-22 minutes a game.

He won't ask for a long contract of course, but he should sign for a one-year, 4 million $ contract no less.


If he is re-signed, it means no Wiz with the Habs.... and maybe not even Markov !!!
There is no way PG fails to sign either one of Markov or Wisniewski. It has to be one or the other or the defense would suddenly become too weak.

As for Hamrlik, that quote doesn't convince me. Hamrlik back would necessarily involve Spacek getting traded. Otherwise, there is no room for Hammer.

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It is a quote that is definately duplicitous in nature... I do think tht would be expected, as Svoboda (a former first rounder in MTL, and a winner here, knows the city quite well and probably has a good understanding as to how management is so secretive to it's fanbase, media in general.

Svoboda could just simply be deflecting. To me, it's about the context as to where, who and how the quote was administered.

If it's a quick one liner, it could be a simple deflection comment.
If it's in a long winded conversation, it could be simply protecting the interest he has among the league, as well as the interests of the Canadiens staff of not broadcasting info.
(Keep in mind deals fell through before for LESS than a quote in relative recent history)
Or it could be a purely legitimate quote, saying that Gauthier for some reason or another, feels Jagr w/ Pleks ISNT good (which makes no sense to me, but Im not the decision maker)...

It's quite clear that the no emotions method has been in effect since we fired Julien. Everyone up top is so tight lipped.. You'd think the media were dental extractal specialists
I certainly agree with you. When I read De Foy's interpretation being Jagr won't play here next season, I went back to read the quote again, thinking I must have missed something. I can see how he came up with it but it remains his own interpretation.

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I don't know. Czech media have him as the former D-man but they're generally full of idiots and are not to be trusted. There's indeed another agent named Petr Svoboda.
http://www.nhlpa.com/About-Us/Certified-Agents/

Petr Svoboda is one of the most frequent male names in the Czech Republic, kinda like Pierre Tremblay in Quebec.
I am pretty sure (like say 90%) that it is our Petr Svoboda.
I vaguely remember him being around the olympics, and it was talked about then as well...

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There is no way PG fails to sign either one of Markov or Wisniewski. It has to be one or the other or the defense would suddenly become too weak.

As for Hamrlik, that quote doesn't convince me. Hamrlik back would necessarily involve Spacek getting traded. Otherwise, there is no room for Hammer.




I certainly agree with you. When I read De Foy's interpretation being Jagr won't play here next season, I went back to read the quote again, thinking I must have missed something. I can see how he came up with it but it remains his own interpretation.
I am starting to imagine a left side of our D made up of Hamrlik, Gill and Spacek: the oldest in the league !

Gorges, Subban, Weber and Yemelin on the right.

Subban and Weber would team up for the PP.


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