HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > National Hockey League Talk > Polls - (hockey-related only)
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2

Travis Hamonic or Luke Schenn in the Future?

View Poll Results: Who would you want in the Future?
Luke Schenn 126 59.15%
Travis Hamonic 87 40.85%
Voters: 213. You may not vote on this poll

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
06-21-2011, 03:27 PM
  #1
Lehner
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Lehner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,015
vCash: 50
Travis Hamonic or Luke Schenn in the Future?

Who would you rather have as a fully developed player?

Lehner is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 03:30 PM
  #2
JeffMangum
not sure if HF or FB
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 56,297
vCash: 300
Travis Hamonic.

I'm a huge fan of both of these players, but it's undeniable that Hamonic has the higher upside. It doesn't necessarily mean he'll 100% be the better player when it comes down to it, but I think he will be. He'll be in the Brent Seabrook mold, Hamonic, that is, while Schenn is in the Adam Foote mold.

I'd be happy with either, though.

__________________

#TannerGlass2014
SEEN YOUR VIDEO!
#SheWentToHarvard
JeffMangum is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 03:34 PM
  #3
NYI94wasaFLUKE9
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Dirty O
Country: United States
Posts: 1,068
vCash: 500
Luke Schenn is going to be good, Hamonic is going to be a more complete/ better player.

NYI94wasaFLUKE9 is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 03:41 PM
  #4
Doug Height
Okposwag
 
Doug Height's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: LI
Country: United States
Posts: 6,425
vCash: 500
This has been done already.

Leafs fans flipped out for even putting Hamonic on the same poll as Schenn, and then invaded the Isles board and trolled the hell out of it.

Doug Height is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 03:56 PM
  #5
Nizdizzle
Salary cap? Huh?
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,202
vCash: 500
Eh, still think its Schenn and won't be close. He doesn't get a lot of credit because he is a defensive D-man, but when he hits his prime people will start to realize. Schenn is going to be an absolute shutdown force. He manhandles the biggest of players now, wait a few years until his game rounds out and he gets some more confidence. Kaberle really helped him and hes a very competent puck mover now.

Absolutely no slight to Hamonic, who will be a fine D-man, but I dont think he is or will be on Schenn's level. There was a reason that Schenn was a top-10 pick and Hamonic was a 2nd rounder. High end potential is definitely in Schenn's favor.


Last edited by Nizdizzle: 06-21-2011 at 04:08 PM.
Nizdizzle is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:09 PM
  #6
Joe Pesci
Do I amuse you?
 
Joe Pesci's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mississauga
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,916
vCash: 500
Schenn.

I keep hearing Hamonic is 1st line powerplay, but honestly, the Isles don't have a lot of offense on the back end other than Streit. Not like they had much of a choice.

Joe Pesci is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:10 PM
  #7
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
How is Schenn winning? Hamonic is just as good right now and has all the raw materials to become a Robyn Regehr with a decent shot from the point. Schenn lead all defenseman in giveaways, he is one of the more overrated players IMO. He's good but not that good.

Kershaw is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:11 PM
  #8
Troy Barnes
Registered User
 
Troy Barnes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: P.E.I
Country: Canada
Posts: 295
vCash: 500
Schenn but Hamonic is good be a very good d-man

Troy Barnes is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:12 PM
  #9
Voodoo Child
Lǎobǎn
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hangzhou-Suzhou
Country: China
Posts: 3,290
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueRanger View Post
Schenn.

I keep hearing Hamonic is 1st line powerplay, but honestly, the Isles don't have a lot of offense on the back end other than Streit. Not like they had much of a choice.
I still say if you give Schenn an extra minute of PPTOI (he had 0:59, Hamonic had 1:59, uncanny) and he gets 30 points this past season.

Voodoo Child is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:12 PM
  #10
Stealth JD
Drexel's dead!!!
 
Stealth JD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Safari Motor Motel
Country: United States
Posts: 6,193
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
There was a reason that Schenn was a top-10 pick and Hamonic was a 2nd rounder. High end potential is definitely in Schenn's favor.
Why was Shea Weber a second rounder then?

Hamonic will be the better player in the long-run...I can't believe people are using draft position in their argument.

Stealth JD is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:15 PM
  #11
Nizdizzle
Salary cap? Huh?
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,202
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth JD View Post
Why was Shea Weber a second rounder then?

Hamonic will be the better player in the long-run...I can't believe people are using draft position in their argument.
You are right, the exception proves the rule. My bad!

Nizdizzle is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:15 PM
  #12
Joe Pesci
Do I amuse you?
 
Joe Pesci's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Mississauga
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,916
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duskfamous View Post
How is Schenn winning? Hamonic is just as good right now and has all the raw materials to become a Robyn Regehr with a decent shot from the point. Schenn lead all defenseman in giveaways, he is one of the more overrated players IMO. He's good but not that good.
Again with the giveaway stat. Listen, there have been some years were defensive defenseman lead in giveaway. Years afterwards, they aren't even close to that stat.

Joe Pesci is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:15 PM
  #13
Voodoo Child
Lǎobǎn
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hangzhou-Suzhou
Country: China
Posts: 3,290
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth JD View Post
Why was Shea Weber a second rounder then?
He is still the second best defenseman on his team, to a guy taken top ten.

Voodoo Child is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:18 PM
  #14
FireEverybody*
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,675
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealth JD View Post
Why was Shea Weber a second rounder then?

Hamonic will be the better player in the long-run...I can't believe people are using draft position in their argument.
I get your point and agree draft ranking mean nothing.
But did you see the 2003 draft results ?

FireEverybody* is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:35 PM
  #15
Nizdizzle
Salary cap? Huh?
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,202
vCash: 500
Hits:
Schenn 251 (1st)
Hamonic 118 (54th)

Huge discrepancy, this easily goes to Schenn. That said, hitting is not the end all and be all of defensemen.

Giveaways:
Schenn 95 (1st)
Hamonic 50 (49th)

Obviously up there in Hamonics favor by a great deal. On the other side, joining Schenn in the top 10? Doughty, Seabrook, Burns, and Keith...

Takeaways:
Schenn 38 (23rd)
Hamonic 45 (13th)

Fairly close here, with Hamonic getting the nod. Could go either way.

Blocked shots:
Schenn 168 (12th)
Hamonic 118 (74th)

Big gap in Schenn's favor.

So overall, Hamonic has slightly more takeaways and a lot less giveaways, while being vastly less physical and not blocking nearly as many shots.

Nizdizzle is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:36 PM
  #16
TML g u n n e R s*
EDC 2013
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Air Canada Center
Country: Canada
Posts: 20,011
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to TML g u n n e R s* Send a message via Yahoo to TML g u n n e R s* Send a message via Skype™ to TML g u n n e R s*
Luke Schenn

TML g u n n e R s* is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:37 PM
  #17
Nazem Gretzky
Eller 4 Selke
 
Nazem Gretzky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Francais-land
Country: France
Posts: 10,116
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to Nazem Gretzky
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
Hits:
Schenn 251 (1st)
Hamonic 118 (54th)

Huge discrepancy, this easily goes to Schenn. That said, hitting is not the end all and be all of defensemen.

Giveaways:
Schenn 95 (1st)
Hamonic 50 (49th)

Obviously up there in Hamonics favor by a great deal. On the other side, joining Schenn in the top 10? Doughty, Seabrook, Burns, and Keith...

Takeaways:
Schenn 38 (23rd)
Hamonic 45 (13th)

Fairly close here, with Hamonic getting the nod. Could go either way.

Blocked shots:
Schenn 168 (12th)
Hamonic 118 (74th)

Big gap in Schenn's favor.

So overall, Hamonic has slightly more takeaways and a lot less giveaways, while being vastly less physical and not blocking nearly as many shots.
You have to consider that Hamonic played less games.

Do it on a per game basis and we'll have a better idea.

Nazem Gretzky is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:41 PM
  #18
WangMustGo
NYI
 
WangMustGo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Long Island
Posts: 3,856
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
Hits:
Schenn 251 (1st)
Hamonic 118 (54th)

Huge discrepancy, this easily goes to Schenn. That said, hitting is not the end all and be all of defensemen.

Giveaways:
Schenn 95 (1st)
Hamonic 50 (49th)

Obviously up there in Hamonics favor by a great deal. On the other side, joining Schenn in the top 10? Doughty, Seabrook, Burns, and Keith...

Takeaways:
Schenn 38 (23rd)
Hamonic 45 (13th)

Fairly close here, with Hamonic getting the nod. Could go either way.

Blocked shots:
Schenn 168 (12th)
Hamonic 118 (74th)

Big gap in Schenn's favor.

So overall, Hamonic has slightly more takeaways and a lot less giveaways, while being vastly less physical and not blocking nearly as many shots.
Kepp in mind Hamonic played 20 less games than Schenn did.

Both will be very good, I like Hamonic for his offensive abilities, while being quite close defensively. He got knocked off the puck a little bit, but you can tell as he gets stronger that will no longer be an issue with him. I would love to have both on my team, but I am happy with Hamonic.

WangMustGo is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:43 PM
  #19
Le Golie
...
 
Le Golie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,759
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
Hits:
Schenn 251 (1st)
Hamonic 118 (54th)

Huge discrepancy, this easily goes to Schenn. That said, hitting is not the end all and be all of defensemen.

Giveaways:
Schenn 95 (1st)
Hamonic 50 (49th)

Obviously up there in Hamonics favor by a great deal. On the other side, joining Schenn in the top 10? Doughty, Seabrook, Burns, and Keith...

Takeaways:
Schenn 38 (23rd)
Hamonic 45 (13th)

Fairly close here, with Hamonic getting the nod. Could go either way.

Blocked shots:
Schenn 168 (12th)
Hamonic 118 (74th)

Big gap in Schenn's favor.

So overall, Hamonic has slightly more takeaways and a lot less giveaways, while being vastly less physical and not blocking nearly as many shots.
While we're on stats why don't we talk about how, in just 62 games, Hamonic had more points than Schenn has had in any of his three seasons? I know points aren't Schenn's game but they are important and Hamonic can contribute at both ends.

Hamonic also finished +4 (higher +/- than Schenn has ever finished with).

The best part about Hamonic is his toughness and willingness to drop the mitts to defend his treammates. The kid is going to be a star. He's already on par with Schenn and has a higher upside in my opinion.

Le Golie is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:48 PM
  #20
RedBaronIndian
Rest in Peace
 
RedBaronIndian's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,652
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
You are right, the exception proves the rule. My bad!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Voodoo Child View Post
He is still the second best defenseman on his team, to a guy taken top ten.
On my team, The guy picked up in the top 10(Cam Barker) was shipped for a prospect and the guy we picked up in the 2nd round is the reigning Norris winner. Or how about Lidstrom? or Chara? Thats 3 of the best dmen in nhl today.

I won't get into the argument about Schenn vs Hamonic, but using draft position for argument is very weak

RedBaronIndian is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:51 PM
  #21
Lehner
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Lehner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 6,015
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nathan311 View Post
Hits:
Schenn 251 (1st)
Hamonic 118 (54th)

Huge discrepancy, this easily goes to Schenn. That said, hitting is not the end all and be all of defensemen.

Giveaways:
Schenn 95 (1st)
Hamonic 50 (49th)

Obviously up there in Hamonics favor by a great deal. On the other side, joining Schenn in the top 10? Doughty, Seabrook, Burns, and Keith...

Takeaways:
Schenn 38 (23rd)
Hamonic 45 (13th)

Fairly close here, with Hamonic getting the nod. Could go either way.

Blocked shots:
Schenn 168 (12th)
Hamonic 118 (74th)

Big gap in Schenn's favor.

So overall, Hamonic has slightly more takeaways and a lot less giveaways, while being vastly less physical and not blocking nearly as many shots.
I love this post, dont even consider that Hamonic had 20 less GP then Schenn.

Hits:
Schenn 3.07 p/g
Hamonic 1.9 p/g

Giveaways:
Schenn 1.16 p/g
Hamonic 0.81 p/g

Takeaways:
[U]Schenn 0.46 p/g
Hamonic 0.73 p/g

Blocked shots:
Schenn 2.05 p/g
Hamonic 1.9 p/g

Also didn't add any real stats:

Goals:
Schenn 0.06 p/g
Hamonic 0.08 p/g

Assists:
Schenn 0.21 p/g
Hamonic 0.34 p/g

Points:
Schenn 0.27 p/g
Hamonic 0.42 p/g

TOI:
Schenn 22:22
Hamonic 21:34

+/-:
Schenn -7
Hamonic +4

And lets not forget this was Hamonic's rookie season.

Lehner is offline  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:54 PM
  #22
Nizdizzle
Salary cap? Huh?
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,202
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by RedBaronIndian View Post
On my team, The guy picked up in the top 10(Cam Barker) was shipped for a prospect and the guy we picked up in the 2nd round is the reigning Norris winner. Or how about Lidstrom? or Chara? Thats 3 of the best dmen in nhl today all taken in the 2nd round.

I won't get into the argument about Schenn vs Hamonic, but using draft position for argument is very weak
With 2 not very established players it is a stronger argument than using giveaways as the only example...

Nizdizzle is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 04:56 PM
  #23
Nizdizzle
Salary cap? Huh?
 
Nizdizzle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Hamilton, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 7,202
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lehner View Post
I love this post, dont even consider that Hamonic had 20 less GP then Schenn.

Hits:
Schenn 3.07 p/g
Hamonic 1.9 p/g

Giveaways:
Schenn 1.16 p/g
Hamonic 0.81 p/g

Takeaways:
[U]Schenn 0.46 p/g
Hamonic 0.73 p/g

Blocked shots:
Schenn 2.05 p/g
Hamonic 1.9 p/g

Also didn't add any real stats:

Goals:
Schenn 0.06 p/g
Hamonic 0.08 p/g

Assists:
Schenn 0.21 p/g
Hamonic 0.34 p/g

Points:
Schenn 0.27 p/g
Hamonic 0.42 p/g

TOI:
Schenn 22:22
Hamonic 21:34

+/-:
Schenn -7
Hamonic +4

And lets not forget this was Hamonic's rookie season.
And then you want to consider PPTOI, and the respective D-lines they played on?

Nizdizzle is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 05:01 PM
  #24
dubey
~manlets~
 
dubey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The Hockey Mecca
Country: Canada
Posts: 19,594
vCash: 500
Luke Schenn - too good

dubey is online now  
Old
06-21-2011, 05:03 PM
  #25
Voodoo Child
Lǎobǎn
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Hangzhou-Suzhou
Country: China
Posts: 3,290
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lehner View Post
And lets not forget this was Hamonic's rookie season.
And let's also not forget that they're the same age. Hamonic had a good year, but that doesn't mean he's better than a guy the same age who has accomplished a lot more.

Hamonic had a full minute more of PPTOI, and 34 seconds less SHTOI. He plays easier minutes than Schenn and gets more opportunities to score.

As for people saying shutdown guys are more common, blech. What's more common? A guy with top-5 in the NHL shutdown potential (He's already top-20 easily) and 35 point upside (Schenn) or 35-50 point two-way guys (Hamonic)?

Voodoo Child is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:08 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.