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06-21-2011, 04:54 PM
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The only bad thing is there may be a D man with a much higher upside than any of the forwards left a 15.

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06-21-2011, 04:59 PM
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I think there will be a good amount of upside/downside to whomever we get @ #15. I kind of expect an off the board pick, meaning, someone most thought would go later, even late 2nd round.

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06-21-2011, 05:00 PM
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The only bad thing is there may be a D man with a much higher upside than any of the forwards left a 15.

Then drop down to #25 and #29. Maybe #15 and a 4th for #25 and #29.

Alternative, #25, #39 and a third rounder for #15.

Then I would flip #25 for two more 2nd rounders.

Then load up on players who fell down due to size or injury, but who have the potential to be an above average top-6 forward. Guys like Chris Thomas was last year.

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06-21-2011, 05:05 PM
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Then drop down to #25 and #29. Maybe #15 and a 4th for #25 and #29.

Alternative, #25, #39 and a third rounder for #15.

Then I would flip #25 for two more 2nd rounders.

Then load up on players who fell down due to size or injury, but who have the potential to be an above average top-6 forward. Guys like Chris Thomas was last year.
I thought everyone in the draft was Malhotra.

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06-21-2011, 05:06 PM
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trade the pick for help now. go get me Jarome Iginla.

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Then drop down to #25 and #29. Maybe #15 and a 4th for #25 and #29.

Alternative, #25, #39 and a third rounder for #15.

Then I would flip #25 for two more 2nd rounders.

Then load up on players who fell down due to size or injury, but who have the potential to be an above average top-6 forward. Guys like Chris Thomas was last year.
Take Kucherov with one of those seconds. He is the ultimate risk/reward player in this draft.

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06-21-2011, 05:07 PM
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trade the pick for help now. go get me Jarome Iginla.
Gaborik-Richards-Iginla

That'd be a great line..until 2013

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06-21-2011, 05:22 PM
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I think they counted wrong.

It's more comparable to the '99 draft.
It's not THAT bad. Think 2001. One, maybe two, star players will emerge and the rest will be mediocre.

Although there will be much less success after the first round compared to 2001 since scouting is so much better than it used to be. You will still see a steal or two, I'm sure.

2001 is the best comparison. A lot of mediocre players that might be 2nd/3rd line tweeners, a few decent first liners possibly, and one or two true impact players.

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06-21-2011, 05:26 PM
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HF predicts the Rangers to grab Biggs at the 15th spot.

Don't really know how happy I am with that.
I like Biggs a lot. I watched him a number of times and there is a lot to like about him. His main problems are discipline and maybe creativity.

The dude is a force in front of the net, though. We have literally ZERO players like that on our team or in our system. There is no one on our team or on the horizon that will play in front of the net like him and do it as well as him. I would be very happy with Biggs.

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06-21-2011, 05:32 PM
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I like Biggs a lot. I watched him a number of times and there is a lot to like about him. His main problems are discipline and maybe creativity.

The dude is a force in front of the net, though. We have literally ZERO players like that on our team or in our system. There is no one on our team or on the horizon that will play in front of the net like him and do it as well as him. I would be very happy with Biggs.
Do you mean like a Malone or Holmstrom type? If so, I could get on board with that.

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Do you mean like a Malone or Holmstrom type? If so, I could get on board with that.
Yes. Malone is his top end potential. 50-60 points or so.

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06-21-2011, 05:40 PM
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Yes. Malone is his top end potential. 50-60 points or so.
Sign me up. I wanted Malone when he went to FA.

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Sign me up. I wanted Malone when he went to FA.
I think a meaner Holmstrom is more realistic than a Malone, but I would take a Holmstrom as well.

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His 55-60 point upside is an absolute maximum if he exceeds all expectations. More realistically, we are looking at someone who will score 20-30 points per season or even less than that on the 4th line.

If Biggs becomes as good as Prust, we should be happy.
That is why I think we need to shoot high with a player that scored a lot of goals in his respective league. A guy like Puempel for example. I don't want some power forward guy who is likely to be a third line grinder. I want a guy that can put the puck in the net.

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I think a meaner Holmstrom is more realistic than a Malone, but I would take a Holmstrom as well.
Hopefully he is a better skater than both of them.

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Hopefully he is a better skater than both of them.
His skating isn't that bad for a bigger man. Could use improvement, but most young, big players' skating could.

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I thought everyone in the draft was Malhotra.
When you have no argument to respond to someone, create a strawman, put it in the other person's mouth and then pretend like you won an argument.

What I said over and over again was that you can't expect that at #15 in a bad draft, you will get a player who is both low risk and has a high ceiling.

You have to pick one: low risk or high ceiling.

This board wants both, and pretends that it is possible. But its not.

I said repeatedly that we can get an impact player, but we have to go high-risk, high-reward. Probably 80% of my posts in the draft thread use that phrase: high-risk, high-reward.

But the response was that we should get someone who will "at least be a player" aka low risk. And yes, 95% of all those players will be Malhotra or worse.

I actually listed four second rounders in the draft thread who have impact player potential.

But no, let's put a strawman argument in my mouth and pretend like you are smart.


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Ya think Gordie is going to say, "THIS KID RIGHT HERE.. THATS THE KID WE ARE PINING FOR"

Why would he do that? Teams ahead of the rangers in the draft position might not have the greatest scouts or a better scout than Gordie and if they feel Gordie is HIGH on a player, than that team most likely will take the player the rangers want because the lack of a good scout in their organization would make them think Gordie knows better than their boys.

If I was in a position to know who I am targeting.. I sure as hell wouldnt tell any of you guys or the media.

You really REALLY think the Rangers dont have their own mock draft? Their own few guys they covet? Come on.. This is not 2001. The Rangers have GREAT SCOUTS now. They arent great because they guess well. They SCOUT well

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That is why I think we need to shoot high with a player that scored a lot of goals in his respective league. A guy like Puempel for example. I don't want some power forward guy who is likely to be a third line grinder. I want a guy that can put the puck in the net.
yea because guys like Lucic didnt matter in the playoffs. lets have a team full of gaboriks

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Ya think Gordie is going to say, "THIS KID RIGHT HERE.. THATS THE KID WE ARE PINING FOR"

Why would he do that? Teams ahead of the rangers in the draft position might not have the greatest scouts or a better scout than Gordie and if they feel Gordie is HIGH on a player, than that team most likely will take the player the rangers want because the lack of a good scout in their organization would make them think Gordie knows better than their boys.

If I was in a position to know who I am targeting.. I sure as hell wouldnt tell any of you guys or the media.

You really REALLY think the Rangers dont have their own mock draft? Their own few guys they covet? Come on.. This is not 2001. The Rangers have GREAT SCOUTS now. They arent great because they guess well. They SCOUT well
Pretty sure last year the day before the draft Gordie said exactly that. I mean he didn't name anyone, but he said that they did have someone identified and later said it was McIlrath.

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yea because guys like Lucic didnt matter in the playoffs. lets have a team full of gaboriks
We will not get either. The hope is that we can get Savard/Dube instead of another Malhotra/Sundstrom. Better risk to get a star than get a "certain" role player who can always be replaced cheap by a guy like Fedotenko on the UFA market.

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Hopefully he is a better skater than both of them.
Nothing a little Barb Underhill can't fix

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Nothing a little Barb Underhill can't fix
LOL. If she isn't on the Rangers payroll, she definitely should be!

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We will not get either. The hope is that we can get Savard/Dube instead of another Malhotra/Sundstrom. Better risk to get a star than get a "certain" role player who can always be replaced cheap by a guy like Fedotenko on the UFA market.
First of all, I don't think "getting Lucic" (a 20-30 Goal scoring gritty forward) at 15 is unreasonable.

Second of all, I would actually argue that a 15-25 goal, 50-60 point forward who brings nothing but offense to the table is not especially hard to acquire via trade/UFA either (Zherdev, Wolski). What is very hard to acquire is a player who will produce similar points but is physical and responsible in all 3 zones (Dubinsky, Lucic, Backes).

I agree that the odds of a "3rd line project" hitting those offensive targets are lower, but if it pans out (this is where you trust your staff) it is way more valuable that a "high risk - reward" guy who "kind of" pans out (for arguments sake, say he hits 80% of his potential). Obviously if the riskier player becomes Semin it is another story.

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