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06-21-2011, 09:13 PM
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If the total for Markov is confirm, it leaves enough for another high price defenseman and top 6 forward. Another top defenseman will eleviate Markov and PK. Less minutes means less probability of injury. Would also give us one of the top defense core in the league. With Price in nets makes us contenders.
I would love to re-sign Wiz and then sign Laich (or even Jagr).

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Laich
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Desharnais - Eller - Kostitsyn
Moen - Pyatt/White - Darche

Markov - Wiz
Gill - Subban
Gorges - Emelin
Weber

Price
Auld/Sanford

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If the total for Markov is confirm, it leaves enough for another high price defenseman and top 6 forward. Another top defenseman will eleviate Markov and PK. Less minutes means less probability of injury. Would also give us one of the top defense core in the league. With Price in nets makes us contenders.
It would leave about 9 million left if you figure in a backup goalie, Gorges,white and maybe pyatt.

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if its true...hope he can stay healty

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It would leave about 9 million left if you figure in a backup goalie, Gorges,white and maybe pyatt.


Who would u take in Mtl for that 9M left????????

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If the total for Markov is confirm, it leaves enough for another high price defenseman and top 6 forward. Another top defenseman will eleviate Markov and PK. Less minutes means less probability of injury. Would also give us one of the top defense core in the league. With Price in nets makes us contenders.
We have about $20M with 15 signed so if Markov and Gorges sign for a combined $9M ( rounding up a $.5M or so ) leaves us at 17 signed and $11M. Back-up goalie, Weber, White, Pyatt, Pouliot ( or replacement) for about $5M in total leaves $6M or so, cant see more than $7M available for a big signing. Probably the Habs dont go more than $5M-$5.5 or so to leave a little wiggle room as we always do. So enough for 1 big contract. Do we try to sign Wiz and send Spacek to the minors (counts against the cap), or do we go for the big forward who plays a physical game like Laich ?

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I would love to re-sign Wiz and then sign Laich (or even Jagr).

Cammalleri - Plekanec - Laich
Pacioretty - Gomez - Gionta
Desharnais - Eller - Kostitsyn
Moen - Pyatt/White - Darche

Markov - Wiz
Gill - Subban
Gorges - Emelin
Weber

Price
Auld/Sanford
Out of curiosity, how much are Gorges/Wiz/Laich signed for in your post? And where's Spacek?


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I have trouble understanding any Habs fan who thinks the Habs should not re-sign their best player, or should offer him LESS because he's suffered some unfortunate injuries the last two years

that's not how you treat one of your cornerstone players, it's bad for business...not to mention that if Markov knee heals like it should, it's a no-brainer to re-sign him. Dont even need to think about it twice

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Who would u take in Mtl for that 9M left????????
Theres definitely a bunch of defensman I'd look at. Erhoff/Bieksa, Pitkanen and Wiz would be guys I'd be looking at.

Upfront, Laich, Leino.

Not sure if you could get both forward and D under the cap tho. If they could unload Spacek it would be a godsend, but until they do it, I won't count on it.

If we had to chose between one I'd go with the Dman, and then settle for a guy like upshall.

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I have trouble understanding any Habs fan who thinks the Habs should not re-sign their best player, or should offer him LESS because he's suffered some unfortunate injuries the last two years

that's not how you treat one of your cornerstone players, it's bad for business...not to mention that if Markov knee heals like it should, it's a no-brainer to re-sign him. Dont even need to think about it twice
Exactly, and I laugh at those who are suggesting to not bring him back at all.

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Out of curiosity, how much are Gorges/Wiz/Laich signed for in your post? And where's Spacek?
Gorges @ $2.75M, Wiz @ $4.5M, and Laich @ $4.5M.

Spacek traded for a late draft pick or sent down. He won't be that hard to get rid of. Close to the cap but that is a good team, I think.

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Theres definitely a bunch of defensman I'd look at. Erhoff/Bieksa, Pitkanen and Wiz would be guys I'd be looking at.

Upfront, Laich, Leino.

Not sure if you could get both forward and D under the cap tho. If they could unload Spacek it would be a godsend, but until they do it, I won't count on it.

If we had to chose between one I'd go with the Dman, and then settle for a guy like upshall.


How about those two?? and for thoses who said Mtl doest have more then 5 M to spend


FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Ryan White ($0.750m)
Steve MacIntyre ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Kevin Bieksa ($5.000m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($2.750m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,995,509; BONUSES: $400,000
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06-21-2011, 09:45 PM
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Exactly, and I laugh at those who are suggesting to not bring him back at all.
probably peoples who start being Habs fans 2 years ago

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Gorges @ $2.75M, Wiz @ $4.5M, and Laich @ $4.5M.

Spacek traded for a late draft pick or sent down. He won't be that hard to get rid of. Close to the cap but that is a good team, I think.
I doubt he's getting traded, even for a late pick. Also, if he's sent down, he'd still count on the cap.

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06-21-2011, 09:52 PM
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How so ? This is 2 years less than his last contract. He's been injured for a while and no one would be willing to take a risk on him.

If true, this is an ok deal, since he isn't getting a raise.
Funny I was thinking last week that 2 years at 6 Mil per year would be the deal.

My reasoning was:

What Marky wanted:

He's probably saved about 5 Mil so far, and he probably has a nice house paid for, plus a cottage maybe.

I figured he wants to earn at least 11-12 Mil more in his career, so that he can save another 5 mil minimum.

Career ends, he's got 10 mil in the bank, a nice house paid for. 10 mil will give him say 300 K a year for the rest of his life. That's enough to pay for the kid's school and maintain a pretty good lifestyle.

What Habs wanted:

To keep Marky, but without too much risk. Cap was an issue not money. I think they were willing to spend the actual 12 Mil, but were not willing to go beyond 2 years due to Marky's history.

So everybody wins.

If I was PG, I would have started the talks off with 'What's the min you want for the rest of your career? Knowing that number, then you talk number of years.

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Gorges @ $2.75M, Wiz @ $4.5M, and Laich @ $4.5M.

Spacek traded for a late draft pick or sent down. He won't be that hard to get rid of. Close to the cap but that is a good team, I think.
I think that's more of a personal wish than it is of an expectation. I would have no problem giving Spacek's money to Wiz, but I just don't think it'll happen. We could end up signing a depth D like we did with Picard last year, but not sure we'll use 4M on an extra D if Spacek remains here.
If he's moved, then it might happen but until then I'd be surprised if there was an addition to the top 4 Ds.

I'm expecting:
Markov-Emelin
Gill-PK
Spacek-Gorges
Weber/depth signing

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06-21-2011, 10:04 PM
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It wouldn't be the first time Marinaro says something false/that doesn't happen

I'm pretty sure Markov will sign though
It also wouldn't the first time he says something that ends up being right.

I'm not a fan of Tony, but when he says these things as much conviction, they're usually true.

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06-21-2011, 10:06 PM
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How about those two?? and for thoses who said Mtl doest have more then 5 M to spend


FORWARDS
Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Scott Gomez ($7.357m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
Travis Moen ($1.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.270m) / Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.250m)
Mathieu Darche ($0.700m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Ryan White ($0.750m)
Steve MacIntyre ($0.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / Kevin Bieksa ($5.000m)
Alexei Yemelin ($0.984m) / P.K. Subban ($0.875m)
Hal Gill ($2.250m) / Josh Gorges ($2.750m)
Jaroslav Spacek ($3.833m)

GOALTENDERS
Carey Price ($2.750m) / Alex Auld ($1.000m)

BUYOUTS: Georges Laraque ($0.500m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,995,509; BONUSES: $400,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $ 4,491
Erik Cole maybe 5 years ago. The guy played for a UFA contract and he doesn't play the same aggressive game, I would rather put 3 million to Leino and as good as Bieksa was in the playoffs, he really disappeared against the Bruins. Give Pitkanen that money, he is also only 28. Clarkson in NJ is supposedly on the block, try to add him in trade over Cole.

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06-21-2011, 10:11 PM
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Great signing if true. No one in the league can replace his skillset outside Lidstrom.

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Wished it was longer even despite the injuries but I'm still very happy about this deal.
I think the length is a major concession to the team. If he has two good seasons, the Habs will be more than happy to pay market value for him. The bane of the NHL right now is ridiculous long-term contracts. If the Habs and Markov can show good faith to each other the way Lidstrom and Detroit have- short term deals at good cash hits and also no bs extra years where the hit and the salary have nothing to do with each other. Lidstrom gets paid generously for playing. Markov doing a two year deal is actually, to my mind, a sign of just how deep his commitment to Montreal is. He could've gotten a lot more than 11.5 million total on the open market. Friggin Komi got way more than that.

Assuming it's true, of course. Tony's been very reliable about these kind of scoops, so I buy it. He's not McKenzie, but when he gives specifics, he's always been right to my knowledge.

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Erik Cole maybe 5 years ago. The guy played for a UFA contract and he doesn't play the same aggressive game, I would rather put 3 million to Leino and as good as Bieksa was in the playoffs, he really disappeared against the Bruins. Give Pitkanen that money, he is also only 28. Clarkson in NJ is supposedly on the block, try to add him in trade over Cole.
Bieksa and Pitkanen are two very different type of players... we need a physical defensive defenceman who can play with Markov... Pitkanen doesn't fit the bill. That would be a Gainey type move signing all same-type defencemen...

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I have NO idea why folks are penciling Bieksa in our top 4.

The guy is ****ing TERRIBLE.

Have you guys not watched ANY Vancouver games?

We have better guys in our system than that guy any day of the week.

And at 5M a year? What's wrong with you???

Do you want another Hamrlik type deal with a guy who's the equal to Karl Dykhuis?

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I doubt he's getting traded, even for a late pick. Also, if he's sent down, he'd still count on the cap.
Right, I forgot he was signed over the age. I still think we could trade him though.

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I have NO idea why folks are penciling Bieksa in our top 4.

The guy is ****ing TERRIBLE.

Have you guys not watched ANY Vancouver games?

We have better guys in our system than that guy any day of the week.

And at 5M a year? What's wrong with you???

Do you want another Hamrlik type deal with a guy who's the equal to Karl Dykhuis?
I agree with completely. Except I would add

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If we're going to get Bieksa we should go for Wiz instead he's just better at everything.

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I have NO idea why folks are penciling Bieksa in our top 4.

The guy is ****ing TERRIBLE.

Have you guys not watched ANY Vancouver games?

We have better guys in our system than that guy any day of the week.

And at 5M a year? What's wrong with you???

Do you want another Hamrlik type deal with a guy who's the equal to Karl Dykhuis?
He was terrible once Hamhuis got hurt, if you're paying over $4 million a year the player should be able to play with almost anyone and still be effective.

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