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Could Keith Yandle be a prime offer sheet target?

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06-23-2011, 10:55 AM
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Your reasoning behind be so certain is that offer sheets only happen about once a year? That's what has you so sure that its not going to happen?

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06-23-2011, 11:39 AM
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Duncan Keith? 8 mil each of the first 3 years with a cap hit of barely 5.5.
Duncan Keith signed a retirement contract. He gave up all of his UFA years. It's not your typical RFA contract. If someone wants to give Yandle a 15 year deal, then yeah, it will be front loaded.

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Thomas Vanek's RFA offer from EDM started with a first year salary of 10M and went down from there (averaging about 7.1M/year).
Vanek's is front loaded, and was only a 7 year deal, taking him to age 30, but it's not heavily front loaded. The last 5 years are all at 6.4 mil, only .7 mil below his cap hit.

I don't think a deal, structure like that, would be enough to get Phoenix to not match.

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Since so few GM's have shown the balls and/or inclination to offer sheet any players so far, who is going to have the balls/inclination to offer sheet a player on a team actually owned by the league?

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Since so few GM's have shown the balls and/or inclination to offer sheet any players so far, who is going to have the balls/inclination to offer sheet a player on a team actually owned by the league?
you would think that the other owners would want the value of the franchise to at least stay the same instead of being devalued by 1 teams desire to offer sheet a top Coyotes RFA.

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Your reasoning behind be so certain is that offer sheets only happen about once a year? That's what has you so sure that its not going to happen?
Most GM's despise off sheets and really want no part of them. That's why they've been rare in the past and that's why they'll be rare this year.

It's no coincidence that there's been 6 since 2006, and if you want to date back even further, only 6 since 1998. There's a trend to be aware of. If there is a sheet, it's highly unlikely it involves a proven superstar. As we've seen, only one superstar RFA has signed an offer sheet since 1998 - Vanek.

I mean, it's possible Yandle gets sheeted but it's very, very, very unlikely. HF likes to think offer sheets are common practice - they're not. They happen very infrequently and involve a player of Yandle's caliber even less frequently. That's why I'm certain Yandle won't be sheeted.

Not to mention, Phoenix would match every realistic sheet if offered and the front loaded contracts that people keep proposing make no sense. No 24 year old superstar is going to want a 1-2 million dollar salary in 6 years.

And most importantly, Yandle actually has to sign the offer sheet.

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Most GM's despise off sheets and really want no part of them. That's why they've been rare in the past and that's why they'll be rare this year.

It's no coincidence that there's been 6 since 2006, and if you want to date back even further, only 6 since 1998. There's a trend to be aware of. If there is a sheet, it's highly unlikely it involves a proven superstar. As we've seen, only one superstar RFA has signed an offer sheet since 1998 - Vanek.

I mean, it's possible Yandle gets sheeted but it's very, very, very unlikely. HF likes to think offer sheets are common practice - they're not. They happen very infrequently and involve a player of Yandle's caliber even less frequently. That's why I'm certain Yandle won't be sheeted.
I agree, it would just hurt the Coyotes financially because all indications are they will match. The Coyotes have a fixed budget and the NHL will not intervene to say that the Coyotes cannot do that, it would have ramifications with the fan base (alienating the fans wouldn't be prudent if the league is committed to AZ)...

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Since so few GM's have shown the balls and/or inclination to offer sheet any players so far, who is going to have the balls/inclination to offer sheet a player on a team actually owned by the league?
I could see the Powers That Be(tm) in the league office being very unhappy with a GM that did so.

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No 24 year old superstar is going to want a 1-2 million dollar salary in 6 years.
Players would love to have 1m salary every year of their contract if it meant getting the rest of the money upfront. How do some of you still not understand this... ? Wow.

If your boss offered to pay you 5 years salary in advance and then only pay you $10,000 every year for those 5 years, you wouldn't be thrilled? You could take the money, invest it and end up with (significantly) MORE than you would normally make.

Whereas for the team it's a risky proposition because in that situation they will be very hesitant to ever trade a player (because they already spent money on him for several years upfront) or if the player gets injured long-term then they basically paid a ridiculous amount of money just for a few years.

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06-23-2011, 01:25 PM
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If Glenn Sather did not offersheet Kovalchuk then nobody will offersheet Yandle. I think most gms realize that thats a franchise killing move and would have a little bit of remorse in pulling the trigger.

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06-23-2011, 01:27 PM
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Players would love to have 1m salary every year of their contract if it meant getting the rest of the money upfront. How do some of you still not understand this... ? Wow.

If your boss offered to pay you 5 years salary in advance and then only pay you $10,000 every year for those 5 years, you wouldn't be thrilled? You could take the money, invest it and end up with (significantly) MORE than you would normally make.
Those offersheets would be rejected by the league anyways. RFAs salaries can only increase a certain amount going onto their next contract. That's something thats covered in the CBA. Remember a few years ago Marty Erats contract got rejected by the league for that exact reason.

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Those offersheets would be rejected by the league anyways. RFAs salaries can only increase a certain amount going onto their next contract. That's something thats covered in the CBA. Remember a few years ago Marty Erats contract got rejected by the league for that exact reason.
Wrong. You can go back to page 1 or page 2 for the correct explanation of why that contract was rejected.

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Wrong. You can go back to page 1 or page 2 for the correct explanation of why that contract was rejected.
Ok I did. So it would be rejected if the previous year was 100% more than the upcoming year. I don't see how that type of offersheet would work. Theres this too:
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Others have covered the 100% Rule which would limit the contract structure.

If a team exercises it's Right of First Refusal to match an RFA Offer Sheet, they have to match only the "Principal Terms" of the offer - Term, Paragraph 1 Salary and Signing or Reporting Bonuses. They do not have to match any other terms, such as an NTC/NMC (if the SPC extends into UFA years), etc.
So if the average is 5 million or something then they could structure the contract so they pay him 5 million a season and he just replaces Jovo if I'm reading that right.

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06-23-2011, 03:15 PM
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I think a team like boston would be happy to offer 33/6, Yandle would be happy to sign and no way Phoenix could possibly match...
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10m

6m

5m

4m

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4m

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33m 6yrs 5.5m avg.
Actually, that would be treated as a $33M/5 yr, $6.6M avg Offer Sheet for RFA compensation. Any Offer Sheet for greater than 5 years is averaged over 5 years, resulting in a higher average and higher compensation.

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Any Club that is entitled to but does not exercise its Right of First Refusal
pursuant to Section 10.3 shall be entitled to obtain Draft Choice Compensation from the
New Club. The number and quality of draft choices due to the Prior Club shall be based
on the average annual value of the compensation contained in the Principal Terms (as
defined in Section 10.3(e) hereof) of the New Club's Offer Sheet (determined by dividing
such compensation by the lesser of the number of years of the Offer Sheet or five
), based
on the following scale:


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Can we offer a QO?
They have to offer a QO (a one year deal at his current salary, $1.3M) in order to retain his RFA rights - or else he becomes a UFA.

Of course he won't accept the QO and will be exposed to Offer Sheets for 5 days until the 'Yotes could elect arbitration.

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So if the average is 5 million or something then they could structure the contract so they pay him 5 million a season and he just replaces Jovo if I'm reading that right.
No, the Paragraph 1 Salary is specified per year as a Principal Term on the Offer Sheet. The team has to match the exact salary structure as the Offer Sheet.

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No, the Paragraph 1 Salary is specified per year as a Principal Term on the Offer Sheet. The team has to match the exact salary structure as the Offer Sheet.
Is that why Buffalo payed Vanek 10 million the first year of his deal? Edmonton structured the contract that way?

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Is that why Buffalo payed Vanek 10 million the first year of his deal? Edmonton structured the contract that way?
Yup. They hoped it would deter the Sabres from matching - it didn't.

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Wouldn't Phoenix be better of just making a trade with Boston, picking up the #9 in this years draft. What's the value of the #9 this year vs a late 1st, late 2nd and late 3rd a year away?

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At this point the only thing Boston should be doing to Phoenix is thanking them. First they drafted Wheeler #5 overall, supported him throughout his collegiate years, and then watched helplessly while the ignoramus used a bogus loophole to sign with Boston for less money. That of course allowed them to trade Wheeler for a consistent valuable player in Peverley. Now Phoenix has single-handedly dismantled the Flyers by trading Bryzgalov to the Flyers.

I think the Coyotes have helped Boston enough, leave Yandle alone.

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