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06-23-2011, 07:45 PM
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DRAFT: Dougie Hamilton vs. Nathan Beaulieu vs. Ryan Murphy

Dougie Hamilton:
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122868

Nathan Beaulieu:
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=115887

Ryan Murphy:
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=121922


I figured that if the Carter rumors were true we would be moving to the 8th slot.

Considering the age of our forward talent and the age of our defensive talent, I think it's not so surprising that we'd go defense if at all possible.

6 of the top 15 NA skaters are defensemen, and they include (4) Dougie Hamilton, (5) Nathan Beaulieu, (9) Ryan Murphy, (10) Duncan Siemens, (12) Joseph Morrow, and (13) Jamieson Oleksiak.

4 of the top 10 EU skaters are also defensemen, and they include (1) Adam Larsson, (3) Jonas Brodin, (6) Oscar Klefbom, and (10) Rasmus Bengtsson.

Figuring that we're not going to get Larsson, that leaves us pretty much with Hamilton vs. Beaulieu vs. Murphy.

Personally I rank them:

1. Hamilton
2. Murphy
3. Beaulieu

But a lot of people seem to think we are interested in Murphy's flash. There are some "discussed" (not necessarily reported in the media as clarification) attitude/arrogance problems involved with Murphy though, and apparently numerous teams approached Murphy to get his opinion on other players, not necessarily to take a deeper interest in drafting him.

A lot of people believe he will either go surprisingly high or fall from grace fairly dramatically.

Still, 79 points in the OHL is nothing to scoff at.

Hamilton has more size and a far more well-rounded game though.

The HF Staff Mock Draft (which I could not participate in since the Flyers did not have a pick) has Hamilton falling to Columbus at 8 and Murphy to Boston at 9.

Assuming we stay in this spot, we should get the choice of defensemen (after Larsson) having moved just ahead of Boston.


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06-23-2011, 07:48 PM
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Take the best player available regardless of position (unless it's a goalie).

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From what I've read, I like Nathan Beaulieu.

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Don't draft Hamilton. I want the Sharks to trade up and get him. His bro is already in our their system.

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Take the best player available regardless of position (unless it's a goalie).
I agree. However if it is a defenseman then I would want Hamilton 1st
If it is a forward I would like to see Zibanejad then Bartschi.

Dam Chris what a day! Now we have the draft tomorrow!

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I think Dougie is the way to go. He'll be a great 2-way defenseman, and he has the size we'll lose when Pronger is gone.

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Dougie would be great for his size if Pronger is done. Hopefully Gustafsson can replace Timonen, because then we would have both d-men replaceable when they retire.

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God I want Hamilton to fall to 8 bad.

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Could you imagine if they acquired #2 and selected Landeskog.

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Oh lordy...
I wish we could do Versteeg/Carle + 8th and get the 3rd + a 4th rounder or something.

Either one of Larsson or Landeskog works for me.

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Could you imagine if they acquired #2 and selected Landeskog.

JVR-Giroux-Voracek
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Oh lordy...
Giroux- 23
JVR- 22
Voracek- 22
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Landeskog- 18

Go! U23 team!


I do think that if we do get a top 3 pick, Larsson or Landeskog would make the team out of camp.

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God I want Hamilton to fall to 8 bad.
Well...

1-4 are going to likely be RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and Landeskog in no particular order.

That means we need to get through...

NYI at 5.

OTT at 6.

and

WIN at 7.

Before we get to go. I don't think any of those teams will go defense when they can get guys like Strome, Huberdeau, Zibanejad, Armia, and Baertschi.

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Murphy has attitude problems?

We're drafting him. Paul Holmgren is still our GM.

I think.

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Zibanejad is another we should be considering.

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Murphy has attitude problems?

We're drafting him. Paul Holmgren is still our GM.

I think.
What now? He has attitude problems?

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I wish we could do Versteeg/Carle + 8th and get the 3rd + a 4th rounder or something.

Either one of Larsson or Landeskog works for me.
Let's do this please. Love it.

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Oh lordy...
I would go nuts!!!

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Well...

1-4 are going to likely be RNH, Larsson, Couturier, and Landeskog in no particular order.

That means we need to get through...

NYI at 5.

OTT at 6.

and

WIN at 7.

Before we get to go. I don't think any of those teams will go defense when they can get guys like Strome, Huberdeau, Zibanejad, Armia, and Baertschi.
What is your basis for Armia and Baertschi potentially going top 10? Everything I have watched and read has these two anywhere between 12-20ish at best.

I see the top 9 being Nugent-Hopkins, Larsson, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Strome, Couturier, Hamilton, Murphy, Zibanejad in no particular order, and it seems that EVERYONE sees it the same way.

I just havent heard enough good things about Armia and Baertschi to put them above any of the 9 I just mentioned.

As for the Flyers, I say stay put at 8 unless they can get the 3rd pick for fair value. It would take the 8th plus a roster player, and depending which roster player it may also require a mid round pick.

I think staying put is the best option, and I would select Hamilton out of the potential defencemen available.

It's to hard to speculate though because you never know who each team likes, who may be available etc.

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Ideally, we'd trade up and draft Larsson. If we can't get Larsson, I'm still ecstatic with Landeskog.

If we can't trade up, then I'd be more than fine with Hamilton.

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What now? He has attitude problems?
That's be what Chris said in the OP. I hadn't heard about it before, but if it's true that Murphy has some attitude issues to work out, you can bet Holmgren would love to draft him!

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What is your basis for Armia and Baertschi potentially going top 10? Everything I have watched and read has these two anywhere between 12-20ish at best.

I see the top 9 being Nugent-Hopkins, Larsson, Landeskog, Huberdeau, Strome, Couturier, Hamilton, Murphy, Zibanejad in no particular order, and it seems that EVERYONE sees it the same way.
Here is the top 6-10 from a bunch of draft guides
ISS
Biggs
Strome
Siemens
Hamilton
Jensen

MCKEENS
Murphy
Strome
Huberdeau
Siemens
Beaulieu

RLR
Strome
Murphy
Couturier
Beaulieu
Zibanejad

THN
Zibanejad
Couturier
Murphy
Strome
Armia

FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS
Hamilton
Murphy
Strome
Beaulieu
Siemens

Seems a lot of variation. Armia, Beaulieu, Siemens, and Jensen all might sneak in as dark horses if a GM or scout really likes them.

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That's be what Chris said in the OP. I hadn't heard about it before, but if it's true that Murphy has some attitude issues to work out, you can bet Holmgren would love to draft him!
It was something that was brought up and discussed among the HF Staff Writers when doing the annual mock draft.

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What is your basis for Armia and Baertschi potentially going top 10? Everything I have watched and read has these two anywhere between 12-20ish at best.
A lot depends on who people like.

Out of the names I gave, Armia and Baertschi are theoretically at the bottom of the list, but it's not hard to believe that a GM falls in love with one of them for a particular reason; Armia in particular...he's got a strong skillset for someone his size.

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Chris, do you have a link to comments about attitude issues with Murphy, or are you pulling this out of thin air?

Edit: Oh, so an HF writer pulled it out of his/her ass? Alrighty then...

Perhaps further investigation might be warranted.

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Chris, do you have a link to comments about attitude issues with Murphy, or are you pulling this out of thin air?

Edit: Oh, so an HF writer pulled it out of his/her ass? Alrighty then...

Perhaps further investigation might be warranted.
Relax. Don't shoot the messenger.

I edited the opening post because the discussions weren't technically "reported." Either way, there were apparently some teams willing to shy away from him at the combine during interviews.

Anyway, there's this:

http://twitter.com/#!/mattcade24

On Matt Cade's twitter, he mentions that at the combine a number of teams that talked to Murphy told him flat out that they were not drafting him.

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Ryan Murphy says some teams have told him flat out during interviews they are not drafting him, then asked his opinion on other players.
Murphy told one of our writers that he spoke to 26 different teams though did not disclose who those teams were.

As for rumblings...

When we were discussing him in the mock draft... (I'm not going to disclose who said what. I believe you should understand and respect that.)

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For those talking about Ryan Murphy, I've read comparisons to him and Cam Fowler. I haven't seen them side-by-side but they both seem to have similar assets (and have been similarly praised for their personality) and are going into the draft with similar red flags. For what it's a lot of defensemen around his size (5'10 175 pounds) have made it to the big show. He'll probably add an inch and a few pounds in the next year or two anyway but it's not like with Ryan Ellis, who, while small, was also widely considered to be an offensive specialist.

I reread some scouting reports and for what it's worth, the biggest knock on Murphy it seems is his overconfidence. He is average at defense (which is something that can be improved with hard work and attention to detail) and stellar in his own zone. ISS's big knock on him at the U18 is that he was occasionally arrogant with the puck and often tried to do too much. That's a fairly common knock on a player who is better than his peers.

With that in mind he'd be a perfect fit for Boston. They play a conservative, defensively oriented system with the forwards regularly chipping in on D...similar to Tampa. The system also allows for defensemen who may only be average or slightly above average to look fantastic. Considering his shortcomings, that seems like a good system for Murphy...he'd be able to activate on offense without being a major defensive liability.
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I'd be surprised if he gets past the Bruins to be honest (unless Hamilton is somehow still there). While he's not going to be a complete package type, he does look to have elite offensive ability.

That said, there have been rumblings of attitude issues, so if those intensify after the interviews, that could set him up for a bit of a tumble IMO

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I still think it's Ryan Strome the Flyers end up drafting. They always have luck with developing forwards and I think he's the guy they go after.

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