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06-23-2011, 08:00 PM
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I know people are having wet dreams over a Richards-Gaborik line, but I highly doubt they even play together. Gaborik was tried with Koivu in Minnesota, did not work. Gaborik, like Jagr, needs a certain type of player to get him the puck. Prospal worked very well for Gaborik.

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Why bring in Richards then? The point of bringing in Richards is to have him play with Gaborik. He serves no purpose with Dubinsky and Callahan. If Richards is brought in, it's to play with Gaborik, not to play on an aggressive line like the Pack Line.

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Brad Richards is a pretty good playmaker. Gaborik worked well with Christensen and Richards is a lot better.

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this team can barely score 2g a game and we'd be in better shape trading our one first line talent after one bad season?

Our goalie got us in the playoffs.
That's why we're keeping him.

As to the first point, every fanbase complains about their team's scoring. We didn't set any records for goal scoring futility as far as I know.

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Why bring in Richards then? The point of bringing in Richards is to have him play with Gaborik. He serves no purpose with Dubinsky and Callahan. If Richards is brought in, it's to play with Gaborik, not to play on an aggressive line like the Pack Line.
Depth. Gaborik, when he is healthy, will score 35-45 goals with anyone. Richards will increase the output of both Dubinsky and Callahan. Richards does well with players who play 2-way games.

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06-23-2011, 08:07 PM
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Depth. Gaborik, when he is healthy, will score 35-45 goals with anyone. Richards will increase the output of both Dubinsky and Callahan. Richards does well with players who play 2-way games.
But the point is to boost Gaborik's numbers and to create a legitimate top line. We lack a legitimate top line, Richards and Gaborik together make a good top line along with any left wing.

Depth is nice, but I want a serious top line.

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But the point is to boost Gaborik's numbers and to create a legitimate top line. We lack a legitimate top line, Richards and Gaborik together make a good top line along with any left wing.

Depth is nice, but I want a serious top line.
Incorrect. The point is to create more offense. It doesnt matter how it happens. If Richards turns Dubinsky and Callahan into 30+ goal scorers while putting up 80 points while Gaborik puts up 40 goals on another line making Stepan a 55-60 point center than it doesnt matter.

Splitting up good players also makes it harder on other teams to load up one line to play against them.

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Love the posts that already consider Brad Richards a Ranger. Quality analysis.

Also love the posts where people think the only way to contend is to have 15 million tied up in 2 aging veterans who have major knocks against them.
Love the posts where people think the only way to contend is to trade your best player for unproven prospects and picks.

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But the point is to boost Gaborik's numbers and to create a legitimate top line. We lack a legitimate top line, Richards and Gaborik together make a good top line along with any left wing.

Depth is nice, but I want a serious top line.
I think people overrate what a top line is. They want 3 75+ point players, but in reality the chances of that happening are very low.

For some perspective, there were only only 47 forwards with 60+ points in the entire NHL last year. If Cally and Dubi each get 60 points with Richards and he himself gets ~75, that's a very good top line.

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P.S. Supposedly Pierre McGuire was on a Montreal radio station and said that Gaborik's name is floating around in trade talks. Can anyone verify this?
A NY Post writer had this the day before the Rangers played the Devils in the season finale. Gaborik was supposed to be Richards if you connect the dots. I wonder what the deal was the Rangers turned down.

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If a trade that makes sense comes up Sather will do it, but probably not for picks and prospects. It doesn't make a lot of sense since the Rangers lack offense but I don't have any emotional tie to Gaborik so I'm indifferent.

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Had to know this was coming.

Oh STOP.

God FORBID someone asks what a players worth is. We dont want to get YOUR panties up in a bunch.

Maybe we should PM you and ask if it is OK to post a thread asking a question about something?

These posts that have nothing but sarcasm and are meant to put the OP down has got to stop. You guys act like you are GOD and God forbid someone "wastes" your time by posting something.

Ya wanna know what? You read the thread title. Knew exactly what you were about to read and yet, you STILL decided to read it. Only to go ahead and act childish and condescending to the OP.

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Richards got traded for the speculated return of Gaborik. So something similar to Schenn + Simmonds in a good prospect a 3rd liner and a pick or maybe a bit more of an impact roster player and a pick. He doesn't have extremely high value.
I have been advocating trading maryjane since last season ended. The difference between us and the flyers is their mgmt isn't interested in the status quo like us and they have the balls to trade two players who are head and shoulders above gaborik as players. They are younger, healthier and have better all around games. If we could have gotten simmonds and schenn for maryjane(which is doubtful), we would have been blind fools not to pull the trigger on that deal.

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I have been advocating trading maryjane since last season ended. The difference between us and the flyers is their mgmt isn't interested in the status quo like us and they have the balls to trade two players who are head and shoulders above gaborik as players. They are younger, healthier and have better all around games. If we could have gotten simmonds and schenn for maryjane(which is doubtful), we would have been blind fools not to pull the trigger on that deal.
No GM in their right mind would take this guy for anything more than a 3rd rounder and a bucket of pucks.

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But the point is to boost Gaborik's numbers and to create a legitimate top line. We lack a legitimate top line, Richards and Gaborik together make a good top line along with any left wing.

Depth is nice, but I want a serious top line.
If ya want a serious top line, don't sign richards and send maryjane packing

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No GM in their right mind would take this guy for anything more than a 3rd rounder and a bucket of pucks.
Gotta agree with ya there, the only GM who wood take gaborik in a deal is still employed by the rangers!

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If ya want a serious top line, don't sign richards and send maryjane packing
Um...is this alternate reality or something? The top line would be Anisimov/Callahan/Dubinsky. Richars/Gaborik/Whoever is an astronomically better 1st line. Dear god.

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No GM in their right mind would take this guy for anything more than a 3rd rounder and a bucket of pucks.
Yep, a player who averages 30 goals a season and has had multiple 40 goal, PPG seasons isn't worth more than a 3rd rounder. Sensical.

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Love the posts where people think the only way to contend is to trade your best player for unproven prospects and picks.
Who's suppose to be our best player? Maryjane? he's our best goal scorer(or used to be) but certainly not our best all around player. If he's so wonderful,why would we only get unproven prospects and picks for him? Probably because no other GM in the league thinks much of gabby anyway, that's why.

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Marian Gaborik:

Year Team GP G A Pts
2000-01 MIN 71 18 18 36
2001-02 MIN 78 30 37 67
2002-03 MIN 81 30 35 65
2003-04 MIN 65 18 22 40
2005-06 MIN 65 38 28 66
2006-07 MIN 48 30 27 57
2007-08 MIN 77 42 41 83
2008-09 MIN 17 13 10 23
2009-10 NYR 76 42 44 86
2010-11 NYR 62 22 26 48

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Um...is this alternate reality or something? The top line would be Anisimov/Callahan/Dubinsky. Richars/Gaborik/Whoever is an astronomically better 1st line. Dear god.



Yep, a player who averages 30 goals a season and has had multiple 40 goal, PPG seasons isn't worth more than a 3rd rounder. Sensical.
How many games played per season does Mr.fragile average? That's the real question that needs to be answered.

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How many games played per season does Mr.fragile average? That's the real question that needs to be answered.
No it's not. You say get rid of Gaborik, then not sign Richards, and that's when the Rangers will ice a "real" 1st line? It's the definition of illogical.

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06-23-2011, 09:20 PM
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Marian Gaborik:

Year Team GP G A Pts
2000-01 MIN 71 18 18 36
2001-02 MIN 78 30 37 67
2002-03 MIN 81 30 35 65
2003-04 MIN 65 18 22 40
2005-06 MIN 65 38 28 66
2006-07 MIN 48 30 27 57
2007-08 MIN 77 42 41 83
2008-09 MIN 17 13 10 23
2009-10 NYR 76 42 44 86
2010-11 NYR 62 22 26 48
Ok, we get it! Marion Gaborik has been productive in his career when he is healthy, motivated and plays hard every shift. None of these things are a given at this point of his career, are they?

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Ok, we get it! Marion Gaborik has been productive in his career when he is healthy, motivated and plays hard every shift. None of these things are a given at this point of his career, are they?
you can say that about just about every player in the league. Crosby's concussion is a health uncertainty but that doesn't change the fact that he is a top flight generational talent.

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They are morons if they dealt Gabby. He had an off year but he can be a big offensive threat. We don't have anyone like that. Sign Richards and see what they can do together.

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Ok, we get it! Marion Gaborik has been productive in his career when he is healthy, motivated and plays hard every shift. None of these things are a given at this point of his career, are they?
The health thing I'll give you, but we weren't watching an unmotivated, slacker version of Gaborik last year. We watched a guy in a scoring slump for almost an entire season. We also watched a guy on a team that had no idea how to find him in his accustomed scoring areas and a team that was playing a style unsuited to his game in general.

Is it on Gaborik to adjust his game? Sure it is. But that doesn't mean he wasn't working hard.

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No it's not. You say get rid of Gaborik, then not sign Richards, and that's when the Rangers will ice a "real" 1st line? It's the definition of illogical.
That's not what I said so stop putting words in my mouth. I said that I don't feel that signing richards to appease and placate gabby thereby tying up 15+ mil in two very good players but hardly elite players makes absolutely no sense going into the end of the current CBA. You act as if signing richards and putting him with gabby guarantees that we will be able to compete with the upper echelon teams in the east. Nonsense! It guarantees nothing!

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