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06-24-2011, 12:02 AM
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06-24-2011, 12:07 AM
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In terms of being underrated it's close (either way) but Kessel easily takes more flak on here than Hemsky.

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06-24-2011, 12:10 AM
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you should probably watch him play a bit before you comment... does real well under preasure and is a stud at playoff time if he gets on the ice.

lets remember this kid had cancer one year... mono another... and yes, its funny how cancer and mono sometimes cause a guy to struggle a little

even battling cancer and mono and a very serious shoulder problem another year, this guy still pops 30 goals a year.

he actually scored 42 goals in 82 games for boston if you count his playoff games. and why wouldnt someone count playoff games? playoff games are preasure games. playoff games are harder to score then regular season games. and he did score 42 goals in his 82 playoff games and regular games combind for boston his last year there.

we all know he sometimes goes 20 or more games where he doesnt do much... but alot of guys go 20 games without doing much when they are injured. perhaps kessel hasnt been in the best conditioning so far in his career. perhaps his mental attitude hasnt always been top notch throughout a full 82 game schedule. I am not his biggest fan myself. I wouldnt wish to tie my ship to his sail.

but, this is a guy that battles cancer... mono... major injuries... and whatever other problems that come along, and still scores 30 goals without much help from his linemates in his early 20's.

hes one hell of a talent and if he does get a quality center and manages to stay healthy all year, this is a guy that likely will lead the league in goals scored a couple times before his career is done.
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06-24-2011, 12:12 AM
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Oh please. He's one of only 7 NHL players to have 3 straight 30 goal seasons. And he's doing playing with terrible linemates.
For real, if he stayed in Boston playing with Savy/Krejci he'd be scoring so many goals people would overlook the fact he isn't a selke finalist.

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06-24-2011, 12:13 AM
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Just thought I'd leave these here. I figure that some of the trolls might actually watch them and learn that Phil actually isn't a mediocre 2nd line forward.

Been a while since I've been on the main boards, but it's nice to see the Leaf hatred back in full force.

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06-24-2011, 12:16 AM
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Every time I watched a Leafs game it seemed like Kessel scored an unassisted or single effort goal. Never understood why everyone hates him. He's quicker then he was in Boston too.

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06-24-2011, 12:18 AM
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Every time I watched a Leafs game it seemed like Kessel scored an unassisted or single effort goal. Never understood why everyone hates him. He's quicker then he was in Boston too.
Haha agreed. It's not that he's a hog. It's just that his linemates sucked, and he knew it

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06-24-2011, 12:19 AM
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Every time I watched a Leafs game it seemed like Kessel scored an unassisted or single effort goal. Never understood why everyone hates him. He's quicker then he was in Boston too.
Look at the jersey he wears.

People see that jersey, and all rationale thinking goes out the window.

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06-24-2011, 12:19 AM
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Every time I watched a Leafs game it seemed like Kessel scored an unassisted or single effort goal. Never understood why everyone hates him. He's quicker then he was in Boston too.
Kessel played with AHL talent like Crabb/Bozak for most of the season too.. You know you have to take control of your line when you have more combined points then Bozak/Crabb together. Once he gets a legitimate center to play with I think people will start to realize how special of a player he is.

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06-24-2011, 12:21 AM
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I love Phil Kessel. He's a nice complimentary talent, not a guy who you want leading your team.

What would it take from the Rangers? Thomas + 1st?

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Kessel played with AHL talent like Crabb/Bozak for most of the season too.. You know you have to take control of your line when you have more combined points then Bozak/Crabb together. Once he gets a legitimate center to play with I think people will start to realize how special of a player he is.
I don't think so. Phil Kessel is all about himself. He'll put 30 goals with AHLers or with a 1st line center like Marc Savard.

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06-24-2011, 12:23 AM
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There, fixed it.

Kessel fans always have a ton of excuses of why he does not develop an over all game or why he is so unfit. Lets face it, Kessel is a quick skater if he have the puck and is facing the opposition goal. He have a good shot that is of a high calibre but that is also the only things he have.

He have a poor attitude, poor condition and a non existing overall game. And that is not because he had cancer in his balls or injured his shoulder. It is because he have always been like that and will always be like that. I guess he is fine with it seeing how little he needs to work to get so highly rewarded financially.

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06-24-2011, 12:28 AM
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I honestly think that a considerable potion of this forum doesn't even enjoy hockey.

They come here just to throw mud at Kessel (or rival teams, players or fans) - why?

The guy is a joy to watch, not a great 2 way player but awesome offensive talent, exciting speed and a laser of a shot.

But some people here automatically hate him, because they don't love the game itself or instead they love roleplaying as GM or they love the sense of identity their team gives them, selfish things like this. I like watching Tyler Seguin play. I don't hate the kid because he was picked with a traded pick.

the basis of the hate is that he only got 60 pts last season and is nothing but a small peice - so? He's in his early 20s, and he hasnt been surrounded with much talent. People will say that he isn't a star - so? Finding a player with the ability to score like Kessel is rare - I'm sure you could post the stats of lots of guys who have 30 goals, but how many at his age? And how many with Lupul and Bozak quality players? And how many score those goals because they outskilled the opponent, like Kessel does 30 or so times a year?

So the trolls should just calm down, grab a beer, and learn to enjoy the game, and stop letting their team colours distort their love of good hockey!

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06-24-2011, 12:30 AM
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I don't think so. Phil Kessel is all about himself. He'll put 30 goals with AHLers or with a 1st line center like Marc Savard.
I don't this you've ever watched Phil Kessel before.. I'd be all about myself too if I had Joey Crabb on the opposite wing to pass to

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06-24-2011, 12:35 AM
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Lots of people hating on Kessel like he makes 5.4 million and hates Toronto and plays like ****. Sure, he's streaky, but you name your 30 goal scorers on your team and I'll pick out every last one of there flaws only because I don't like the franchise.

A 30 goal scorer is a 30 goal scorer. Phil wants to be here, we want him, and he won't be traded.

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06-24-2011, 12:37 AM
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There, fixed it.

Kessel fans always have a ton of excuses of why he does not develop an over all game or why he is so unfit. Lets face it, Kessel is a quick skater if he have the puck and is facing the opposition goal. He have a good shot that is of a high calibre but that is also the only things he have.

He have a poor attitude, poor condition and a non existing overall game. And that is not because he had cancer in his balls or injured his shoulder. It is because he have always been like that and will always be like that. I guess he is fine with it seeing how little he needs to work to get so highly rewarded financially.
How do you know he has a poor attitude? What do you consider poor conditioning? You do know that having his footspeed, and his shot require just as much training as having nice abs and the ability to ride the bike for an hour on 8, right?

You said he is "a quick skater" and he "[has] a good shot". You do realize that these are two of the most important, and hard to master skills in hockey right?

Phil Kessel is an excellent athlete. He may never be Nick Lidstrom or Zdeno Chara or Rod Brindamour, but he never should be. Being bulky would just slow him down. He has two highly sought after qualities in acceleration and shot accuracy, he will be able to carve a really nice career out of those (by the way, he is a great passer as well).

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06-24-2011, 12:39 AM
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Kessel is 23 and has had three straight 30 goal seasons. You can't say that about many players in this league.

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06-24-2011, 12:43 AM
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I don't think so. Phil Kessel is all about himself. He'll put 30 goals with AHLers or with a 1st line center like Marc Savard.
No way. He would of cracked 40 goals his first season with savy. He had great chemistry with skilled playmaking centers like Savy and Krejci. He's a goalscorer, maybe he can develop more of a pass and be a smarter shooter in the future, but when he is your teams leading scorer you aren't going to tell him to be passing it to Joey Crabb over taking a shot.

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06-24-2011, 12:55 AM
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Kessel is a Talent no matter what team he is on.

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06-24-2011, 12:57 AM
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Kessel's defensive game improved as his line improved with Lupul. This kid has suffered through all of the pressures of Toronto with no help from management. Crazy how some additions rejuvenated his effort. Give him the teammates he deserves and let him fly.

He's gonna become a hero here eventually. He is a game breaker and all stats aside, that is a rare breed in the NHL.

He isn't a defensive specialist though and I don't understand why he gets hate for that. If you actually watch him play you would see he isn't a liability either.

What people will see the most if we land him a playmaker is that he is very good at finding open holes in the offensive zone to set up for one-timers in. This is all being said with the knowledge that everyone on the ice knows that they are trying to get him the puck. Balance out that line like all other good teams have and we will see the truth of this deal.

Also INB4 +/-

Before you say that go add the goals scored by the Grabo line then do the same for Kessel's linemates. You will realize that the two lines goals against were very close to each other.

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How do you know he has a poor attitude? What do you consider poor conditioning? You do know that having his footspeed, and his shot require just as much training as having nice abs and the ability to ride the bike for an hour on 8, right?

You said he is "a quick skater" and he "[has] a good shot". You do realize that these are two of the most important, and hard to master skills in hockey right?

Phil Kessel is an excellent athlete. He may never be Nick Lidstrom or Zdeno Chara or Rod Brindamour, but he never should be. Being bulky would just slow him down. He has two highly sought after qualities in acceleration and shot accuracy, he will be able to carve a really nice career out of those (by the way, he is a great passer as well).
How do we know anything about NHL´s mental attributes like if they are jokers, leaders or bad for the dressing room. Well we never really know first hand for our self but have to watch interviews, check up what other people closer to them have to say about them and then make our own judgement. Kessel have elite talent, I am not arguing that. But he is not the type of person or player I would want the Leafs to use as a corner stone in their rebuilding process.

And it is better being bulky with muscles then an extra layer of body fat.

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06-24-2011, 01:58 AM
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its not that i hate the guy, its just TO fans think that they will get just as much for him (if not more) then what they gave up for him.. That won't ever happen, or not until burke gets fired, then hired by another team, then makes a trade for kessel again.

Dont get me wrong, there are some nights that kessel plays unreal at both ends of the rink. but most nights he really only plays on the offensive side of the puck. its like he has no defensive game at all
You and everyone else has to take into consideration that true snipers usually are soft in their own end but they are heck of an exciting player when on the ice.

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Look at the jersey he wears.

People see that jersey, and all rationale thinking goes out the window.
You should go bowling with some Vancouver fans. Much to talk about.

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Every time I watched a Leafs game it seemed like Kessel scored an unassisted or single effort goal. Never understood why everyone hates him. He's quicker then he was in Boston too.
He's not quicker... It just looks that way playing with the rest of the Leafs....

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