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06-24-2011, 12:12 PM
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Don't want Landeskog. The Flyers need a future #1 (or at least #2) d-man.
Either Larsson at #3, or Hamilton (doubtful) or Murphy at #8.

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how do you feel about Dougie Hamilton?

according to some scouts, he's now closer to 6'6" or 6'7", rather than his listed 6'4"
In that case, I'd want him over Beaulieu. I liked what I read about Beaulieu on the Internet (supposedly the Bruins are big fans) and was able to watch on YouTube and different scouting sites. But after reading some opinions on the boards from Canadians who got to watch both regularly, it seems like Beaulieu gets the most negative review. That said, if Hamilton is on the board at #8, I'd definitely go with him. Then again, I don't know anything... except that I wanted us to draft Carlson instead of trading the pick to the Caps for Steve ****ing Eminger.

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4m cap hit for Brewer and TB. Down to roughly 23 million, and they still need goalies and depth players on top of Stamkos. I wouldn't mind Purcell when they decide they can't sign him.

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If the third overall pick deal does not happen, I was hearing

Versteeg + Phantom player
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Booth
That would be ironic.

Deal would be bizarre given that they need to add salary.

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06-24-2011, 12:16 PM
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If the third overall pick deal does not happen, I was hearing

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I could dig it.

I would rather have Larsson. But if we can't have Larsson, then that trade could be a lateral move at worst and could workout well if he plays like he plays when he plays.

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06-24-2011, 12:17 PM
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here's an excerpt of his profile via the scouting report
Ok, I'm sold. I guess Larsson is the consensus best defenseman available, but if we stay at 8 and this guy is there I'd take him. Sounds reminiscent to Myers with the size and mobility.

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06-24-2011, 12:17 PM
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If the 3th isn't movable from Florida I would love Gudbranson. I think he could help the Flyers gluelike as soon as next season. Probably not happening though

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06-24-2011, 12:18 PM
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I'm not sure where people keep getting the idea we have enough cap space to make a play in FA for 1 or 2 guys.

We need to:
-sign Leino
-sign Voracek
-sign Simmonds
-sign Powe
-sign Nodl

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.500m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Ville Leino ($3.000m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,981,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $318,572

So unless you opt, not to sign Leino, where are we getting money to bring a a free agent? Either that or you have to waive Shelley and trade Bob to free up another ~1 million.

Edit: unless you are trading Versteeg AND not signing Leino. but can you really find FAs that are better than them?

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06-24-2011, 12:20 PM
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i've also heard that it is dependent upon whether or not florida is able to move to #1
Unless FLA moves Markstrom and potentially takes a bad contract (Horcoff?), that seems unlikely

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06-24-2011, 12:21 PM
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If the 3th isn't movable from Florida I would love Gudbranson. I think he could help the Flyers gluelike as soon as next season. Probably not happening though
As a Florida fan, i can state with a large degree of confidence (Because as we've seen, stating facts doesn't work!) that Gudbranson won't get traded.

I'd also state that i'd rather move to Edmonton than see us trade The 3rd for the 8th and Versteeg. No disrespect to Versteeg, but why on earth would we do that? He's just such a ... mediocre player to acquire.

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06-24-2011, 12:22 PM
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I'm not sure where people keep getting the idea we have enough cap space to make a play in FA for 1 or 2 guys.

We need to:
-sign Leino
-sign Voracek
-sign Simmonds
-sign Powe
-sign Nodl

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.500m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Ville Leino ($3.000m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,981,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $318,572

So unless you opt, not to sign Leino, where are we getting money to bring a a free agent? Either that or you have to waive Shelley and trade Bob to free up another ~1 million.

Edit: unless you are trading Versteeg AND not signing Leino. but can you really find FAs that are better than them?
Trade Versteeg, Carle, Bob, waive Leighton and Shelley, Leino is optional...that frees up 9-13 million. It's been discussed seemingly endlessly since yesterday, where ya been!?

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06-24-2011, 12:23 PM
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I'm not sure where people keep getting the idea we have enough cap space to make a play in FA for 1 or 2 guys.

We need to:
-sign Leino
-sign Voracek
-sign Simmonds
-sign Powe
-sign Nodl

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
Jakub Voracek ($2.500m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Wayne Simmonds ($2.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Ville Leino ($3.000m)
Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,981,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $318,572

So unless you opt, not to sign Leino, where are we getting money to bring a a free agent? Either that or you have to waive Shelley and trade Bob to free up another ~1 million.

Edit: unless you are trading Versteeg AND not signing Leino. but can you really find FAs that are better than them?
I don't know if Simmonds would get that much, and Voracek might get marginally less. Also, I'd rather have a two-way or defensive forward over Leino with this group of forwards. I'd waive Shelly for Sestito, and Bob will be moved eventually, honestly might not be this year though.

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06-24-2011, 12:23 PM
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I'm not sure where people keep getting the idea we have enough cap space to make a play in FA for 1 or 2 guys.

Andreas Nodl ($0.850m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Darroll Powe ($0.725m)

So unless you opt, not to sign Leino, where are we getting money to bring a a free agent? Either that or you have to waive Shelley and trade Bob to free up another ~1 million.
Yeah, either Leino or Versteeg would be out of the picture.

Also, Powe and Nodl have to get at least 5% raises.

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I'd also state that i'd rather move to Edmonton than see us trade The 3rd for the 8th and Versteeg. No disrespect to Versteeg, but why on earth would we do that? He's just such a ... mediocre player to acquire.
Here's what you need to recognize. There is no "we." Just because 99% of the fanbase and all of the players might feel a certain way, the GM could have a completely different idea and do something different. But don't worry, that never actually happens.

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As a Florida fan, i can state with a large degree of confidence (Because as we've seen, stating facts doesn't work!) that Gudbranson won't get traded.

I'd also state that i'd rather move to Edmonton than see us trade The 3rd for the 8th and Versteeg. No disrespect to Versteeg, but why on earth would we do that? He's just such a ... mediocre player to acquire.
Your GM is an idiot.

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I would forgive Homer of everything if he fleeced toronto that badly. That would be a serious ownage.

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Here's what you need to recognize. There is no "we." Just because 99% of the fanbase and all of the players might feel a certain way, the GM could have a completely different idea and do something different. But don't worry, that never actually happens.
Of course there is a "We". I fully recognize that i have no control or say in the asset management of the team i support. What i can do is question various moves ; if this move happens, i'd question why. In no way did i suggest this move cannot happen. I questioned how this would help our hockey team. In my ow opinion ; acquiring Kris Versteeg is about as pointless an acquisition the Florida Panthers can do. He's a spare part player on a good team, so dropping down 5 spots appeals very little to me if he's the "prize".

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Trade Versteeg, Carle, Bob, waive Leighton and Shelley, Leino is optional...that frees up 9-13 million. It's been discussed seemingly endlessly since yesterday, where ya been!?
Haha actually I was busy all last night so I haven't been able to dive into this as much as I would've liked.

I guess it just seems strange to me because all along I wanted to trade one or both of Carle/Versteeg to make room for Bryz; but that isn't needed anymore. So this would be trading guys so we can replace them with FAs. I guess the question then becomes are there any FAs out there that they feel they can reasonably sign that are better fits? I'm not so sure.

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Your GM is an idiot.
Ironic.

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Uhhhh, yes please.

Two days ago, who would have thought the Flyers, of all teams, would end up with the Schenn brothers on draft day?

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Leafs Nation would flip.

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Ironic.
Our GM has never had a non-playoff season after being GM for at least the entire season. Fact.

Oh, and you used ironic incorrectly.

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Uhhhh, yes please.

Two days ago, who would have thought the Flyers, of all teams, would end up with the Schenn brothers on draft day?
As long as they don't perform like the Sedin sisters in the Bostin series....

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Of course there is a "We". I fully recognize that i have no control or say in the asset management of the team i support. What i can do is question various moves ; if this move happens, i'd question why. In no way did i suggest this move cannot happen. I questioned how this would help our hockey team. In my ow opinion ; acquiring Kris Versteeg is about as pointless an acquisition the Florida Panthers can do. He's a spare part player on a good team, so dropping down 5 spots appeals very little to me if he's the "prize".
yeah dropping down 5 spots may not be very appealing to you, but it depends on your teams scouting staff/GM and who they think *their guy* is. Different GM/staffs have different philosophies. It could be the Brian Burke draft the best player available philosophy or the Doug Armstrong if you have a guy then trade back and go get your guy philosophy. It all depends and what kind of conversations they are having.

Say they feel Ryan Murphy is the guy. Do they reach for him at 3 or do the trade back and trade to acquire an asset or 2? You trade back, pick up the asset, then draft your guy.

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