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06-24-2011, 02:43 PM
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i hope people realize the only way we are trading gaborik is if another team has a struggling star or a player that needs a change of scenery and some1 that is capable of putting 35 to 40 goals a year. otherwise sather isn't gonna do it. even if we signed richards and trading gaborik for propsects and picks or whatever is taking a step back and virtually being in the same place as last year. now if a trade was a gaborik for lets say jeff carter before he was traded then it would make some sense. Gaborik will be great again next year i think. Lets see what this guy could do with a number 1 center for the first time in his career.

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What the hell are you talking about step down off that ledge I've been perched on? I don't have to like Marion Gaborik as a player to please you and all the rest of the pompous, loyal to a fault ranger fans! I would never have signed and overpaid him in the first place and I will never change my mind about him as a player who if he isn't scoring goals, is a useless lump of protoplasm on the ice. He will never be the kind of player who will put up lights out numbers if/when we make a long run in the playoffs someday.
That's my opinion of him and if you don't like it, too bad!
I think your posts need more exclamation points overall

We get it. You don't like gaborik. Do you get tired posting the same things about him all day every day? (ooh clever! his name is marian so we'll call him..MARYJANE MWHAHAHA)

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Gaborik to CLB for Ryan Johansen +

Gaborik to EDM for Eberle +
I'd much prefer Magnus Paajarvi-Svensson than Eberle, but that may be personal bias, not to mention Rosen and Micheletti having conniptions trying to pronounce his name.

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I know people are having wet dreams over a Richards-Gaborik line, but I highly doubt they even play together. Gaborik was tried with Koivu in Minnesota, did not work. Gaborik, like Jagr, needs a certain type of player to get him the puck. Prospal worked very well for Gaborik.

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My feelings exactly. I wouldn't want to break up the "Pack Line", but Gaborik really needs a power forward on his line that can create space for him (the Avery-Anisimov-Gaborik line worked well the couple of games it was together, but I'd prefer an upgrade over Avery despite his underrated passing ability). AA has size as well, and the opposition defense would have no choice but to keep an eye on him, he's a little shifty and can make strong moves toward the net.

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https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/gaborik

Wow.

What the **** is going on.

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06-24-2011, 03:07 PM
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Also, trading Gaborik would be asinine. This team needs goal scoring, and people want to get rid of an elite goal scorer because of a down year? Please. Gaborik had an off year because he was the only person other teams needed to cover. Defenseman shadowed him the entire game. If this team had a #1 C that wouldn't be a problem. Other teams figured the Rangers out and knew how to stop them, shutting down Gaborik. It's a testament to our team more than his play. This team needs more elite skill, not less.

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06-24-2011, 03:09 PM
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I can confirm those are rumors. And that they're nonsense. RT @Bluesniper10: can you confirm the gaborik to ottawa rumors?

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I can confirm those are rumors. And that they're nonsense. RT @Bluesniper10: can you confirm the gaborik to ottawa rumors?
Thanks, just posted that on the OTT board, they were running rampant with Gonchar for Gaborik

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https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/gaborik

Wow.

What the **** is going on.
The Rangers had enough of Gaborik and they aren't keeping it a secret. The common thread is "he's your best scorer, why would you dump him?". Step back for a moment and humor me. Imagine the Rangers know that he cannot give them what the Rangers need. They don't think it, they know it. They know if he remains in this environment his value will only go down.

If Gaborik is begin actively shopped, which I believe he is, the Rangers have decided that last year wasn't just a down year.

And then you can ask Jesse who has a better line to Sather? Himself or Larry Brooks.

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Yes, that is what this team needs. Another D-man. As if our depth at D wasn't strong enough, lets trade our only scoring talent for another one. Buffer also had a cold second half of the season.
Uhh. Yeah. This team needs a competent D-man as well as one that can make a Power Play work.

I don't care what someone on a falling team did towards year's end, I care what they could do when it counts.

Byf could've (and would have) been major in the playoffs for us and our offensive woes.

Remember he goes in front when he's told as well!

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lol those rumors are hilarious on twitter. kuba and a 2nd for gabs. gabs for gonchar hahahaha

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While trading Gaborik would be an interesting idea to speculate on, I don't see it being done. Good GMs trade their players when their value is high (see Eric Johnson, Jaroslav Halak, etc.). Gaborik's current trade value is the lowest it has ever been, it would be downright foolish to trade him now unless the offer is a top-6 forward and a top-10 pick at the BARE MINIMUM, and that is just to keep Sather on the phone. At best, it would be a lateral move swapping out Gaborik for another elite goal scorer.

For these same reasons, it irks me when I see everyone willing to trade MDZ because of a sophomore slump. The way I see it, he had the "Marc Staal" complex. Staal was urged to try to be more offensive, and his overall game suffered until he reverted to his normal playing style, letting the offense come naturally as opportunities arose. MDZ needs to do what he does best: moving the puck up ice and generating scoring chances. With a player like MDZ, you have to let him be creative. How many goals did he single-handedly net Gaborik by threading 100+ foot passes?

I essentially see it as the result of this dump-and-chase, grind-it-out system. It will benefit the players that can do it well (Dubinsky, Callahan, Prust, Fedotenko, etc.), but create an additional challenge for those who cannot (Wolski, Gaborik, MZA, etc.). This is why one system for all four lines will not work. Let the pure offense be creative and generate offense instead of forcing them to dump the puck in at the red line and get beat by the opposition defenders or the goalie.

If we get Richards, I hope this entices Torts to allow the first line that creativity.

To answer the OP, If I had to think of a reasonable trade for Gaborik, I would have to say... Gaborik + Kundratek + a little more for a lateral move... wouldn't be worth it unless we can unload some of our D prospects for a big gun.
Sorry to go a little OT on the reply.

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06-24-2011, 03:56 PM
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While trading Gaborik would be an interesting idea to speculate on, I don't see it being done. Good GMs trade their players when their value is high (see Eric Johnson, Jaroslav Halak, etc.). Gaborik's current trade value is the lowest it has ever been, it would be downright foolish to trade him now unless the offer is a top-6 forward and a top-10 pick at the BARE MINIMUM, and that is just to keep Sather on the phone. At best, it would be a lateral move swapping out Gaborik for another elite goal scorer.

For these same reasons, it irks me when I see everyone willing to trade MDZ because of a sophomore slump. The way I see it, he had the "Marc Staal" complex. Staal was urged to try to be more offensive, and his overall game suffered until he reverted to his normal playing style, letting the offense come naturally as opportunities arose. MDZ needs to do what he does best: moving the puck up ice and generating scoring chances. With a player like MDZ, you have to let him be creative. How many goals did he single-handedly net Gaborik by threading 100+ foot passes?

I essentially see it as the result of this dump-and-chase, grind-it-out system. It will benefit the players that can do it well (Dubinsky, Callahan, Prust, Fedotenko, etc.), but create an additional challenge for those who cannot (Wolski, Gaborik, MZA, etc.). This is why one system for all four lines will not work. Let the pure offense be creative and generate offense instead of forcing them to dump the puck in at the red line and get beat by the opposition defenders or the goalie.

If we get Richards, I hope this entices Torts to allow the first line that creativity.

To answer the OP, If I had to think of a reasonable trade for Gaborik, I would have to say... Gaborik + Kundratek + a little more for a lateral move... wouldn't be worth it unless we can unload some of our D prospects for a big gun.
Sorry to go a little OT on the reply.
agreed

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06-24-2011, 04:18 PM
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the Rangers would be absolutely idiotic if they traded Gaborik...unless youre talking about swapping him for another elite winger, which seems unlikely.

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The Flyer's looked into the abyss and blinked today.

YOU DO NOT TRADE THE FACES OF YOUR FRANCHISE TO CLEAR UP ROOM TO SIGN ILYA BRZGALOV AND POSSIBLY BRAD RICHARDS.

Bryzgalov has proven NOTHING in the playoffs to warrant that type of deal. I give the Flyers three seasons and they will be a cellar dweller.

In short let's get Richards to play with Gaborik and then if it doesn't work out consider options.
I have to disagree....

Simmonds (21), Schenn (19), Giroux (Under 23), JVR (under 23), Voracek (21), 8th overall (17-19), Bryz, Pronger all on one team is a playoff team nomatter who is around them.
**IN 3 years time that is**

And i'm sure i'm missing other young players

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I have to disagree....

Simmonds (21), Schenn (19), Giroux (Under 23), JVR (under 23), Voracek (21), 8th overall (17-19), Bryz, Pronger all on one team is a playoff team nomatter who is around them.
**IN 3 years time that is**

And i'm sure i'm missing other young players
Simmonds is a 3rd liner imho...Giroux is the only player you listed there that scares me. The 8th overall pick in this draft does nothing for me imho.

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Oh those fickle Ranger fans. Score a billion goals and take the team on his back one year, then struggle the next... so clearly the player must be traded. You will change your tune when we have an elite center-man sending passes his way. There is no reason to trade Gaborik unless you plan on a complete rebuild, because he is the only one with elite scoring ability on this team right now.

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Simmonds is a 3rd liner imho...Giroux is the only player you listed there that scares me. The 8th overall pick in this draft does nothing for me imho.
Completely absurd. Unless Slats starts pulling rabbits out of his cigar box or the players we have start overachieving we will be looking up at them in the standings for the next 5 years.

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I think your posts need more exclamation points overall

We get it. You don't like gaborik. Do you get tired posting the same things about him all day every day? (ooh clever! his name is marian so we'll call him..MARYJANE MWHAHAHA)
Never get tired of trashing overpaid,underperforming euro perimeter trash. Let me know if/when he grows some balls and decides to compete for his bloated contract.

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Oh those fickle Ranger fans. Score a billion goals and take the team on his back one year, then struggle the next... so clearly the player must be traded. You will change your tune when we have an elite center-man sending passes his way. There is no reason to trade Gaborik unless you plan on a complete rebuild, because he is the only one with elite scoring ability on this team right now.
Depending on the return, I would have dealt him last off-season.....

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Oh those fickle Ranger fans. Score a billion goals and take the team on his back one year, then struggle the next... so clearly the player must be traded. You will change your tune when we have an elite center-man sending passes his way. There is no reason to trade Gaborik unless you plan on a complete rebuild, because he is the only one with elite scoring ability on this team right now.
Putting a team on your back and not making the playoffs. That's not really putting a team on your back.

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The Rangers had enough of Gaborik and they aren't keeping it a secret. The common thread is "he's your best scorer, why would you dump him?". Step back for a moment and humor me. Imagine the Rangers know that he cannot give them what the Rangers need. They don't think it, they know it. They know if he remains in this environment his value will only go down.

If Gaborik is begin actively shopped, which I believe he is, the Rangers have decided that last year wasn't just a down year.

And then you can ask Jesse who has a better line to Sather? Himself or Larry Brooks.
This was exactly my assesment of the situation the whole way. We all know he has value on the trade market but weve seen some negative things from him and nothing is convincing me or some other obviosuly that he will bounce back and somehow score and be effective esp with possible hiffen injuries. People have to have more of an open mind.

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Putting a team on your back and not making the playoffs. That's not really putting a team on your back.
Exatcly. Any Fan who thinks he somehow put the team on his back are nuts. He played to his contract for one year. But by no means did he carry us to a great 9th place finish. Like this year he scored against weaker teams, late in game to make it 5-1, empty nets. Im not going to put down his first year hear since some people think it was godly but by no means did he do anything like put a team on his back. He wasent a leader, did not make other play better and got a few goals. This is were the problem is coming from the artificial though of the first year he played hear.

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lol those rumors are hilarious on twitter. kuba and a 2nd for gabs. gabs for gonchar hahahaha
Its possible no team is willing to give anything and it has come down to Ott but are onyl willing to trade for him by giving contract back.

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Putting a team on your back and not making the playoffs. That's not really putting a team on your back.
Had he not had the season he did, the 09-10 Rangers probably are a 70 point team and don't even come close to the playoffs. Gaborik and Lundqvist basically singlehandedly gave the team a chance to try and play-in to the playoffs in 09-10.

Gaborik has never had a reputation as "lazy" before this year...I personally still think he was playing hurt...and his coaches never had an issue with his effort, even Tortorella, who has only benched him (as he has benched every player at some point or another) for mistakes/turnovers. His other benchings were related mostly to Gaborik not scoring which relates to (I still think) injury, and is also something Tortorella did to other players at various points the last 2+ years, including Mr. Effort himself (ineffective as that effort may be), Chris Drury.

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