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Max Talbot's UFA Rights + 54th overall + 144th overall + prospect to EDM, STL, or FLA

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06-24-2011, 10:38 PM
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Max Talbot's UFA Rights + 54th overall + 144th overall + prospect to EDM, STL, or FLA



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Max Talbot (UFA Rights)
2011 2nd round (54th overall)
2011 6th round (144th overall)
Mid level prospect



EDM 2011 2nd round (31st overall)

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STL 2011 2nd round (32nd overall)

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FLA 2011 2nd round (33rd overall)

I want the Penguins to select Brandon Saad, I wanted Puempel, but Shero took Joe Morrow which wasn't a bad idea, he wants to build for our future defense. But anyways, the Penguins need a winger, Saad is a Pittsburgh native, the Pens are is favorite team, his favorite player is Crosby (obviously). He is a good two way forward and would fit Bylsma's style of play perfectly IMO.

So is this a fair deal?

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I think you need to do better than a 6th to move up.

Talbot (as a UFA) is worthless.

A 3rd or a 4th at worst.

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I think you need to do better than a 6th to move up.

Talbot (as a UFA) is worthless.

A 3rd or a 4th at worst.
Pens don't have a 3rd or 4th this year, we have these remaining picks, 2nd, 5th, 6th, and 7th. I can take away that 6th and replace it with 2012 3rd if that makes the trade better.

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I would take either one of those deals. I prefer Tomas Jurco for the Pens. Saad would also be nice but I like Jurco more. I think his skill set and creativity at the wing is needed in Pittsburgh. As for Talbot, I wouldn't be against dealing him now, as it seems he isn't resigning. Florida seems the most logical as they like to stockpile picks. I think that mid level prospect could be Casey-Pierro Zabotel. Talbot could be a fit for Florida, but I honestly don't see him signing there.

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No from a stl point of view they had no first this year if they can get Saad in the second round they take him Saad> a UFA 54th and 144th

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No from a stl point of view they had no first this year if they can get Saad in the second round they take him Saad> a UFA 54th and 144th
I understand your point but look at it this way. The Blues had 2 first round picks in last years draft, you guys traded your first round pick, along with a former 1st rounder (1st overall) and Mclement. In return you guys got Chris Stewart (1st round pick) who was all over the score sheet for the Blues, you got Shattenkirk (1st round pick) who is a good, young, developing two way, right handed defenseman and an early 2nd. I am offering UFA rights to a good 4th line center with heart that can add energy, positive attitude and playoffs experience to the Blues, our 2011 2nd (54th overall) I mentioned replacing 144th with a 2012 3rd to increase value and a mid level prospect, (LW Casey Pierro Zabotel, RW Nick Johnson, C Kevin Vellieux, etc.) for the Blues' 2011 2nd round (32nd overall pick)

Would you not do it because you want Saad? Or would you not do it because of what you are getting in return? Because IMO the Blues would be getting plenty in return.

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Blues decline if for no other reason than we have a similar player in Sobotka.

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I would take either one of those deals. I prefer Tomas Jurco for the Pens. Saad would also be nice but I like Jurco more. I think his skill set and creativity at the wing is needed in Pittsburgh. As for Talbot, I wouldn't be against dealing him now, as it seems he isn't resigning. Florida seems the most logical as they like to stockpile picks. I think that mid level prospect could be Casey-Pierro Zabotel. Talbot could be a fit for Florida, but I honestly don't see him signing there.
Yeah I agree about Jurco, I mean I think Saad would fit this team more, Jurco is a good winger I just don't shero picking him. Ray Shero passed up on Matt Puempel who was possibly the purest scoring winger in the draft. I don't think Shero is looking for a guy like Jurco. Brandon Saad on the other hand has good size, strength, plays good two way hockey, and would probably be more motivated to play for his hometown team.

I know a lot of Pens fans want Saad because he is from Pittsburgh, and to be honest I did too at one point, but there is more to it now, he is the best available according to Bob (McKenzie?) He is a good defensive forward who can help offensively (like Kunitz).

Well it looks like Blues fans aren't interested.

How about Edmonton or Florida if Saad is still available?

Maybe I could even add another pick/prospect for leverage but not any in the early rounds or mid to high level prospects. maybe a 7th either in 2011 or 2012 or an unsigned prospect from 2009 or 2010.

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you can have the Oilers pick at 31 + for Simon Despres

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Blues pass.

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Talbot isn't good enough to command the Blues 32nd overall pick.

Forget everything else in the trade...

How about Dupuis for the 32nd overall straight up?

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you can have the Oilers pick at 31 + for Simon Despres
Yeah, good luck with that.

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The cats can pay Talbot essentially as much money as they want, so trading for his rights it kinda useless. If the price is right, sure, but if he's only looking for money (and a nice place to live) then we don't have to worry about bidding wars.

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Talbot isn't good enough to command the Blues 32nd overall pick.

Forget everything else in the trade...

How about Dupuis for the 32nd overall straight up?
Dupuis is a UFA also so it would be for his UFA rights.

But sure, I would do that and maybe add a pick or so.

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Not that I don't like Talbot but the blues need a winger over a center and someone slightly bigger than Talbot. He's kind of smaller.

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Not that I don't like Talbot but the blues need a winger over a center and someone slightly bigger than Talbot. He's kind of smaller.
Well, if the Blues need a winger with size, our top winger prospect is Eric Tangradi, he's about ready to crack an NHL lineup. I wouldn't want to trade him because I think he will be good for us but if the trade were to happen St Louis would have to give up two early 2nd round picks (32nd overall and 41st overall) for just Eric Tangradi.

I don't think the Blues want to do that, especially because they didn't have a 1st round selection this year.

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THE Max Talbot?!?

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That's a crappy package to offer.


How about Mark Letestu + 54th for that early 2nd + a 4th rounder?


Change thread title to Proposal: Move Pens up to 31st-33rd.

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I think you need to do better than a 6th to move up.

Talbot (as a UFA) is worthless.

A 3rd or a 4th at worst.
Worthless, yet teams inquired about trading for his rights.

Funny how what you think, seems to not matter to real life actions.

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The cats can pay Talbot essentially as much money as they want, so trading for his rights it kinda useless. If the price is right, sure, but if he's only looking for money (and a nice place to live) then we don't have to worry about bidding wars.
Trading for any UFA's rights is essentially useless if you think about it this way, but how many times does it happen in the off season anyway? Care to take a guess?

Dan Hamhuis expressed desire to play in Vancouver the moment the Preds season ended and he was an impending UFA. Did it stop the Flyers or Penguins from trading for his rights? No.

Sundin's rights were traded, as well as plenty of others. It happens, the caliber of player varies.

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Well, if the Blues need a winger with size, our top winger prospect is Eric Tangradi, he's about ready to crack an NHL lineup. I wouldn't want to trade him because I think he will be good for us but if the trade were to happen St Louis would have to give up two early 2nd round picks (32nd overall and 41st overall) for just Eric Tangradi.

I don't think the Blues want to do that, especially because they didn't have a 1st round selection this year.
That's much more likely to happen than moving down for picks, if you can upgrade the roster you can negotiate for any of these 2nd or 3rd round picks, but our GM is looking to improve his roster not subtract from it or move down in the draft just to add depth.

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Worthless, yet teams inquired about trading for his rights.

Funny how what you think, seems to not matter to real life actions.
Have teams really inquired? Because I'm pretty sure that was on Eklund.


I don't know, if you really want a guy, there is some value to talking to him first. I couldn't see it being more than a 5th rounder for Talbot though.

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