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06-25-2011, 05:08 PM
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I dunno... I don't like Gomez's contract, but we can't afford to lose him and not have any replacement for him. The guy played badly last year, but there's no way we go far with Eller as our second center. He's not ready yet. Same with Desharnais.

I'm seriously a bit afraid now because of this situation.
So you're basically saying we can't replace a 9 goals scorer, -15 in plus/minus, 30% in faceoff wins at 8 millions?

Yeah you are right, we really can't afford to lose him. We are in big troubles.

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06-25-2011, 05:11 PM
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A little perspective people... I'd love to see Gomez moved to get rid of that terrible contract, but who are we going to replace him with? Brad Richards is NOT coming here, and there's no reason to assume that Laich would. Even IF Laich did, he isn't a first or a second center in this league. When your playing with Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin & co. your numbers can easily be inflated. We don;t have anyone in our organization to replace him other than David D., and I just don;t think our team can afford to get that much smaller down the middle on the top 2 lines.

If Gomez is leaving a center has to be coming back the other way and if I'm PG, the only center on the Coyotes who somewhat interests me is Kyle Turris. Big, RH, C. Is he a sure bet? No, but I'd take my chances.

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06-25-2011, 05:15 PM
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as much as i would love gomez to be gone i dont want it too happen unless we get someone to fill that cap
What we get is 7 mill to spend, on a similar (or better) group of players.

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06-25-2011, 05:18 PM
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What we get is 7 mill to spend, on a similar (or better) group of players.
If we trade Gomez we will get a bad contract coming back our way most likely.

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06-25-2011, 05:19 PM
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Gomez is not being traded. These rumors must end. No one in their right mind would take him

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06-25-2011, 05:19 PM
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As I Coyotes fan I would love to get Gomez. We badly need to get another center with some offensive skills on the team. Last year our only offensive center was Kyle Turris who is just now finding his stride. Hanzal is a shutdown center. Belanger and Fiddler were basically two fourth line centers. Belanger's numbers make him look he was a bigger impact offensively then he was.

We do also need help getting to the cap floor every year it seems and there are not many UFAs that are going to be willing to consider us. If we could get someone like Connolly or Laich I'd prefer them over Gomez but if none of them are willing then I'd be glad to take Gomez off your hands.

Now with that being said I wouldn't give up any of our first 3 round picks or good prospects for him. I don't know which good young players you have but I'd be willing to do something like

Gomez
Good young player

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Roszival.

We are pretty loaded on defense right now with Ekman-Larsson, Schlemko, Goncharov, Gormley, Summers all fighting for the 5th-6th defenseman positions. Moving him open up space for one of them.
would you do it for 2 decent young players instead of 1 good young player?

i proposed the same trade you have above but with these two players:

Pouliot- former top 5 pick, tons of offensive skill, issues with confidence & needs to get stronger on skates, fallen out of favor with current coach but definitely shows glimpses of strong potential

Pyatt- hard working PK specialist. great skater & tenacious, but not likely to be anything more than bottom-6 role player.

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06-25-2011, 05:24 PM
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A little perspective people... I'd love to see Gomez moved to get rid of that terrible contract, but who are we going to replace him with? Brad Richards is NOT coming here, and there's no reason to assume that Laich would. Even IF Laich did, he isn't a first or a second center in this league. When your playing with Ovechkin, Backstrom, Semin & co. your numbers can easily be inflated. We don;t have anyone in our organization to replace him other than David D., and I just don;t think our team can afford to get that much smaller down the middle on the top 2 lines.

If Gomez is leaving a center has to be coming back the other way and if I'm PG, the only center on the Coyotes who somewhat interests me is Kyle Turris. Big, RH, C. Is he a sure bet? No, but I'd take my chances.
i'd be fine going into the season with a C depth chart of:

Pleks
Eller
DD
XXX
White

the xxx would have to be a veteran C, signed on a cheap contract for 1, maybe 2 seasons.

guys that come to mind are Belanger, Handzus, Talbot... perhaps even Arnott if he'd take ~2M.

they'd be brought in to play a bottom-6 role, taking face-offs as needed, and providing depth/insurance in case of injuries.

I'm pretty confident that we can replace Gomez's production by seeing Eller/DD get more prominent roles, but given their youth & Eller's injury recovery, adding a veteran as depth insurance (especially one who is strong on face-offs) is all we'd need to cover Gomez's loss completely.

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06-25-2011, 05:32 PM
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So you're basically saying we can't replace a 9 goals scorer, -15 in plus/minus, 30% in faceoff wins at 8 millions?

Yeah you are right, we really can't afford to lose him. We are in big troubles.
Sounds stupid, isn't it?

Unless, of course, if describing Gomez as a "9 goals scorer, -15 in plus/minus, 30% in faceoff wins at 8 millions" is of such obvious bad faith that the very act of posting it irremediably affect the poster's credibility.

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06-25-2011, 05:35 PM
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i'd be fine going into the season with a C depth chart of:

Pleks
Eller
DD
XXX
White
Next year, if Eller or DD develop normally? I would seriously consider it. It would definitively make sense.

Right now? The return on Gomez would be the worst possible, and I'm not yet sold on any of Eller or DD ability to handle difficult minutes consistently. And I want to make the playoffs. So no thanks.

Unless obviously we end up the inside track on, say, Richards this summer, but that's the long ball.

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06-25-2011, 05:51 PM
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Dont know if it has been posted yet

Per Renaud Lavoie

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#coyotes won't make an offer to Éric Bélanger. He will hit the market on july first.

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So you're basically saying we can't replace a 9 goals scorer, -15 in plus/minus, 30% in faceoff wins at 8 millions?

Yeah you are right, we really can't afford to lose him. We are in big troubles.
Nope, have you seen the UFA market?

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Nope, have you seen the UFA market?
We actually can, As a Stop gap until Eller or DD can take over : Arnott,Belanger,Richards,Laich.... Just to name a few.

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06-25-2011, 05:55 PM
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Dont know if it has been posted yet

Per Renaud Lavoie
So that makes Phoenix's centre depth:

Turris - Hanzal - Fiddler? Hmm...

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Habs cant replace him without paying a huge price. And if hes not replaced habs will not make playoffs.

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How is it that we will have to pay a "huge" price to trade Gomez when the Rangers didn't pay one to give him to us? I have never understood this.

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06-25-2011, 06:00 PM
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Are you 100% sure of this. Dealing Gomez could potentially make this team so much better.
I never said anything was 100%. I've heard too much regarding gauthier working the phones like a maniac and trying to get something for gomez to not believe he's at least trying.

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06-25-2011, 06:01 PM
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as much as i would love gomez to be gone i dont want it too happen unless we get someone to fill that cap
Wow, that is quite possibly the most idiotic, yet funniest thing I have ever read on hfboards. 1st off, even salary aside, we're better off with little Desharnais as our 2nd line center. And that the heck is the problem with having cap flexibility during the season?? If somebody is dumb enough to take Gomez, you let him go no questions asked. I can't believe somebody Would say something like that, even worse a week before the free agent frenzy..

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06-25-2011, 06:04 PM
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How is it that we will have to pay a "huge" price to trade Gomez when the Rangers didn't pay one to give him to us? I have never understood this.
Because by now everybody is in on the joke that Scott Gomez has become.

The only way Gomez gets traded if to a team that needs to hit the now HUGE salary floor .. his salary vs Cap Hit is REALLY attractive to teams that want to meet the cap floor without actually paying that amount of salary.

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I think all teams were always aware of Gomez's limitations. I also strongly believe BG was well aware of what Gomez brings to the table prior to making the trade. I have no doubt that, despite the despicable contract he's signed to, there is another Montreal in the league examining their center options.

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How is it that we will have to pay a "huge" price to trade Gomez when the Rangers didn't pay one to give him to us? I have never understood this.
He said we would have to pay a huge price to replace him, not to trade him.

Rangers signed Marion Gaborik from free agency the day after they traded Gomez.

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He said we would have to pay a huge price to replace him, not to trade him.

Rangers signed Marion Gaborik from free agency the day after they traded Gomez.
There are many posts indicating that if we were to trade Gomez, we would need to eat another albatross contract in return. Not to that particular post which you are referring to.

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06-25-2011, 06:17 PM
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LMFAO at the people saying he would be hard to replace. Hal Gill could replace that plug

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06-25-2011, 06:19 PM
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Wow, that is quite possibly the most idiotic, yet funniest thing I have ever read on hfboards. 1st off, even salary aside, we're better off with little Desharnais as our 2nd line center. And that the heck is the problem with having cap flexibility during the season?? If somebody is dumb enough to take Gomez, you let him go no questions asked. I can't believe somebody Would say something like that, even worse a week before the free agent frenzy..
You really can't believe someone would have this opinion? Yet, it is shared widely around here that Desharnais on our second line doesn't exactly sound like safe. Plenty of people have argued over the last months that Gomez bad season isn't necessarily a sign that he's done, and that he's 5 vs 5 transition play is still difficult to replace. Where were you when all these things were discussed?

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Wow, that is quite possibly the most idiotic, yet funniest thing I have ever read on hfboards. 1st off, even salary aside, we're better off with little Desharnais as our 2nd line center. And that the heck is the problem with having cap flexibility during the season?? If somebody is dumb enough to take Gomez, you let him go no questions asked. I can't believe somebody Would say something like that, even worse a week before the free agent frenzy..

DD isn't nearly ready for top 6 minutes all season long. First, he's a huge defensive liability as a 2nd line center, second, he got most of his points against bottom 6 players or on the PP.

And he is right, we need someone to replace Gomez, because neither DD nor Eller are ready.

His error is that we don't need the player(s) coming back to be the one replacing Gomez, and doesn't need to be the same cap hit, but for the rest, you are more wrong than he is.

Don't bother replying.

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Like I said previously, I don't mind losing Gomez. I hated his play during the season and let's not even discuss his playoff performance. However, we do not have a center in our organization capable yet of replacing him. I would be more worried starting off the season with this:
Plekanec - Eller - Desharnais - White (or Engqvist)
Than this: Plekanec - Gomez - Eller - Desharnais

Overall though, it would help us in the long run, so I'd still do the trade.

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