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06-26-2011, 12:41 AM
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I didn't say that Desharnais played on wing though did I. I said the three of them played together for a short period of time.

So I must be imagining this then? Either that or I'm going to have to contract Dobber and tell him that the "Line Combos" section of his site is incorrect.

1.14% EV 58 DESHARNAIS,DAVID - 81 ELLER,LARS - 46 KOSTITSYN,ANDREI

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I will agree though that Moen did look good with Eller & Kostitsyn and that Darche could as well. Though I don't see the benefits of sticking Desharnais on the 4th line. I'd much rather having a checking type center filling that role.
That 1% was with Eller on wing during the 25 games or so that Martin put him there, and played Halpern as 3rd/4th C. The last month or so, Halpern and Eller were switched.

As for having a 4th line checking centre, it frankly makes no sense. Who will they check? They play limited minutes. Anyone worth checking will play lots of minutes so that matchup won't be good.

Your THIRD line can be a checking line, see Jarvis-Gainey-xxx or Carbonneau-Gainey-xxx or even Moore-Lapierre-Pyatt.

A fourth line can be an energy line that tries to pot a few goals too, such as Risebrough-Tremblay-Lambert. It can also contain players who are specialists, such as FO, PP or PK.

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I think it's exactly what happened during the 39 point season of Plekanec 3 years ago.
no, kovalev took the year off, and i LOVEd kovy..

AK didnt help much either. and pleks STILL scored 20 goals.

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06-26-2011, 01:19 AM
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That 1% was with Eller on wing during the 25 games or so that Martin put him there, and played Halpern as 3rd/4th C. The last month or so, Halpern and Eller were switched.

As for having a 4th line checking centre, it frankly makes no sense. Who will they check? They play limited minutes. Anyone worth checking will play lots of minutes so that matchup won't be good.

Your THIRD line can be a checking line, see Jarvis-Gainey-xxx or Carbonneau-Gainey-xxx or even Moore-Lapierre-Pyatt.

A fourth line can be an energy line that tries to pot a few goals too, such as Risebrough-Tremblay-Lambert. It can also contain players who are specialists, such as FO, PP or PK.
That wasn't my point BC. You said they had never played together as a line, and I provided proof that they did. That's all I was trying to do.

I see your point BC, I would just like to try something different. We don't have the players to form a true checking line, or an energy line that would come close to rivaling the ones you listed.

Which is why I would rather Desharnais be moved up to play with Eller and Kostitsyn to form more of an offensive 3rd line. While moving Moen down to the 4th line with Pyatt/Darche and White. Allowing that line to be a little tougher. Giving White some back up (Moen) if/when he starts getting himself in trouble.

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no, kovalev took the year off, and i LOVEd kovy..

AK didnt help much either. and pleks STILL scored 20 goals.
Not gonna get into a Kovalev debate, but he did score 65 points that year, more than any other player in that team. So to solely blame Kovalev for Plekanec's bad year is a stretch.

Plekanec just wasn't the same player.

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You remember that Martin is still coaching right?


I'll take your bet.
On our last bet, didn't DD manage to get more points, despite the Gomer-JM love duo?



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I might be interested in taking this bet with you iceman.

However, I'd want to be sober when we talk about what we are laying on the line.
Well, to give you an idea of the stakes here...

h10h and I have agreed that one of us will receive a weeks supply of baby diapers while the other gets a dodge viper

For confidentiality reasons, I can not specify who gets what.

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On our last bet, didn't DD manage to get more points, despite the Gomer-JM love duo?
Yes, that was over a short period of time though. Even doing that, Desharnais was still never able to displace Gomez from the 2nd line C spot by the end of the season. This again was pounded home during the playoffs, even before Desharnais was injured.

Over an 82 game schedule, unless Martin decides to give somewhat equal minutes to Desharnais, as he does for Gomez. I honestly don't think Desharnais has a prayer of outscoring him.

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Yes, that was over a short period of time though. Even doing that, Desharnais was still never able to displace Gomez from the 2nd line C spot by the end of the season. This again was pounded home during the playoffs, even before Desharnais was injured.

Over an 82 game schedule, unless Martin decides to give somewhat equal minutes to Desharnais, as he does for Gomez. I honestly don't think Desharnais has a prayer of outscoring him.
Well, I think it depends largely on what Gomez is doing this summer. If he comes to camp in the same physical and mental condition as last year, I think DD has got a pretty good shot.

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Well, I think it depends largely on what Gomez is doing this summer. If he comes to camp in the same physical and mental condition as last year, I think DD has got a pretty good shot.
That I'll agree with. I don't know how Gomez will be mentally, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't show up at camp in the best shape of his life. As even he admitted that his conditioning wasn't quite up to par last season.

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That I'll agree with. I don't know how Gomez will be mentally, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't show up at camp in the best shape of his life. As even he admitted that his conditioning wasn't quite up to par last season.
i think our best shot of seeing improvement is mentally... physically, he's an old 31

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i think our best shot of seeing improvement is mentally... physically, he's an old 31
That I'll agree with, as it seemed that towards the end of the season, his confidence was shot. The physical part I didn't notice though, as his skating still seemed as strong as ever to me. He does have a lot of mileage on him for being only 31 though, so you're probably right.

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It will take a lot to get Gomez out of JM team...

Gormley or Summers or Similar plus a regular:
Hanzal, Aucoin, Bisonette, Sauer, Pyatt, MAP.
Gomes is top-6mtwo way forward with a chip that allows him to perform during PO.

Can not see PG getting rid of him.

Now if PHX is ready to give OEL... We can even throw a d-men in the deal:
Weber, Gomez vs OEL and Turris.

Of course, Turris goes to AHL and maybe OEL... Conditional second round if OEL or Turris together get 10 games with the current year...

Still would keep SC and JM too.
But PG calls the shots.
Doan or Whitney + prospect vs Gomez, Weber?
None of the above.

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IF the Habs can move Gomez, what happens next?

Pure speculation here, but something I thought I'd try since everyone's favorite pundit Eklund is mentioning the possibility of Gomez being moved. IF, and this is a major IF (and just for fun) what would you do if the Habs management were able to rid itself of the albatross that is Gomez's contract?

I doubt there would be me much coming back for Gomez as he has negative value at this point. Assuming there isn't much more than a mid round pick or something of that ilk, this is what I'd like to see occur.

1 - Sign Wisniewski to a 3 year 4.7 Million dollar deal. Solidifies the defense with a big right handed shot and adds a little toughness to a blueline corps that isn't that tough.

2 - Re-sign Gorges. Probably something that is in the works but it has to be done.

3 - Sign center Zenon Konopka to a 2 year deal. 900 000 per.

4 - Let Benoit Pouliot walk. Hasn't been impressive and isn't liked by Martin.

5 - Move Weber for an established forward with truculence and a decent scoring touch. Preferably David Clarkson of New Jersey. If the Habs re-signed Wiz, and they already have Markov and Subban, they don't really need another soft PMD.

6 - Sign Tomas Kopecky to a 2 year 3.5 Million dollar Contract

7 - Try to find anyone to take Spacek .

This leaves you with an opening night line up of:

Forwards:

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Gionta
Cammelleri - Kopecky - Clarkson
Kostitsyn - Desharnais - Eller
Moen - Konopka - White

Ex - Darche

Defense:

Gill - Subban
Markov - Gorges
Yemelin - Wisniewski


So what would you do if you could move Gomez's contract?

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i was thinking connoly for a stop gap. he cant be worse than gomez

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It will take a lot to get Gomez out of JM team...

Gormley or Summers or Similar plus a regular:
Hanzal, Aucoin, Bisonette, Sauer, Pyatt, MAP.
Gomes is top-6mtwo way forward with a chip that allows him to perform during PO.

Can not see PG getting rid of him.

Now if PHX is ready to give OEL... We can even throw a d-men in the deal:
Weber, Gomez vs OEL and Turris.

Of course, Turris goes to AHL and maybe OEL... Conditional second round if OEL or Turris together get 10 games with the current year...

Still would keep SC and JM too.
But PG calls the shots.
Doan or Whitney + prospect vs Gomez, Weber?
If this ever happens our GM will be voted GM of the year while the one in Yotes land will be canned...

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It will take a lot to get Gomez out of JM team...

Gormley or Summers or Similar plus a regular:
Hanzal, Aucoin, Bisonette, Sauer, Pyatt, MAP.
Gomes is top-6mtwo way forward with a chip that allows him to perform during PO.

Can not see PG getting rid of him.

Now if PHX is ready to give OEL... We can even throw a d-men in the deal:
Weber, Gomez vs OEL and Turris.

Of course, Turris goes to AHL and maybe OEL... Conditional second round if OEL or Turris together get 10 games with the current year...

Still would keep SC and JM too.
But PG calls the shots.
Doan or Whitney + prospect vs Gomez, Weber?
OEL is a great prospect. Phoenix would be crazy to trade him to the habs, especially for gomez....

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First, we need to find a replacement for Gomez before trying/deciding to trade him. The only player that could take his spot in the free agency is Richards. Otherwise, we should keep Gomez, it provides us depth and 3 good lines.

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Exactly. We're not moving Gomez unless someone can replace him. Plus, we're not really in cap hell right now. Maybe next year when we need to sign Price and Subban, but right now, he brings veteran presence and leadership and could very well put 50-60 points next year, which is okay to me.

Do you really think that your lineup is better than with Gomez ? Because Kopecky as a 2nd line center...

PS : Are you referring Subban as soft ? Just to know.

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Yeah but what happens if he puts up another 39 pt year, Then he is un tradable for sure. If you can unload him you do it ASAP IMO. Brendan Morriosn had more points in less games making a million bucks. Replacing 39 pts and a minus 15 is not hard

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Yeah but what happens if he puts up another 39 pt year, Then he is un tradable for sure. If you can unload him you do it ASAP IMO. Brendan Morriosn had more points in less games making a million bucks. Replacing 39 pts and a minus 15 is not hard
He'll make 7.5M this year, and 5.5 I think next year. If he can be traded, it's after this season, where he would be a more "valuable" assets for teams trying to reach the cap floor without having to spend too much. Yeah, Gomez is overpaid and all, but we have to live with it as of now. Worst case scenario is that he's gone in 2 years.

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in your opinion, do the can the Habs win the cup with Gomez and his cap hit producing very little? My answer is no. whats yours?

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Exactly. We're not moving Gomez unless someone can replace him. Plus, we're not really in cap hell right now. Maybe next year when we need to sign Price and Subban, but right now, he brings veteran presence and leadership and could very well put 50-60 points next year, which is okay to me.

Do you really think that your lineup is better than with Gomez ? Because Kopecky as a 2nd line center...

PS : Are you referring Subban as soft ? Just to know.
I didn't specifically refer to Subban as soft, I referred to the entire Montreal defensive unit as being soft (and specifically Weber), but have you watched any of Subban's fights last year? Its not pretty when he drops the gloves, almost Maxim Lapierre bad.

Yes I think my lineup is better than with Gomez because I don't think Gomez has helped this team in the past two years. In fact, I would say he has been a huge drain on any line that had the misfortune of having him play on it this past season. He earned 8 million bucks and scored 7 goals. As a first line center in the NHL. How could you get any worse? Also he was on the ice for numerous important (read game winning) goals scored against in the regular season and especially the playoffs.


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It will take a lot to get Gomez out of JM team...

Gormley or Summers or Similar plus a regular:
Hanzal, Aucoin, Bisonette, Sauer, Pyatt, MAP.
Gomes is top-6mtwo way forward with a chip that allows him to perform during PO.

Can not see PG getting rid of him.

Now if PHX is ready to give OEL... We can even throw a d-men in the deal:
Weber, Gomez vs OEL and Turris.

Of course, Turris goes to AHL and maybe OEL... Conditional second round if OEL or Turris together get 10 games with the current year...

Still would keep SC and JM too.
But PG calls the shots.
Doan or Whitney + prospect vs Gomez, Weber?
I'm confused as to how Gormley and Summers are considered similar, then you pack Hanzal in with a bunch of scrubs.

And why the hell would PHX give up OEL? Even giving up Turris is going full retard. And you never go full retard.

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Gomer +++ vs OEL.

PHX has needs.
Offense, defense, goaler.
We can fill all but Goaler...

OK: Gomez + AK for OEL++ (Turris).
Would you do either one of those trades if you were PHX?

OEL has the all the tools to be a #1 dman, I wouldn't trade him for a quantity package.

Turris has the tools to be a #1 center, I wouldn't trade him and OEL for an overpaid declining Gomez and an underperforming Kostitsyn.

You can say its only potential but no way I'd trade either, especially for any packages like that.

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I didn't specifically refer to Subban as soft, I referred to the entire Montreal defensive unit as being soft (and specifically Weber), but have you watched any of Subban's fights last year? Its not pretty when he drops the gloves, almost Maxim Lapierre bad.
Okay that's more clear now. Anyways, even though he's not good at fighting, Subban delivers a lot of hard checks (Hello Marshmont) and isn't afraid to do so.
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Yes I think my lineup is better than with Gomez because I don't think Gomez has helped this team in the past two years. In fact, I would say he has been a huge drain on any line that had the misfortune of having him play on it this past season. He earned 8 million bucks and scored 7 goals. As a first line center in the NHL. How could you get any worse? Also he was on the ice for numerous important (read game winning) goals scored against in the regular season and especially the playoffs.
I can understand that Gomez is not the perfect center for us, but at least, he adds some depth and I'm sure he can have a okay campaing next year. Plus, he elevates his game (Hm okay, it depends !) during the playoffs, where he can be an important asset to have, having the experience. I sure would like to see him go if we can replace him with somebody equally better or better like Richards, but dreams are meant to be dreamed.

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Gomer +++ vs OEL.

PHX has needs.
Offense, defense, goaler.
We can fill all but Goaler...

OK: Gomez + AK for OEL++ (Turris).
Dude, Gomez has as close to negative value as you can possibly reach. If he returns anything higher than a third or fourth, we should be elated. The only way we acquire something significant for him is if the GM we trade for his looking to get fired.

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