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06-27-2011, 12:10 AM
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Ohhhh.... stop getting my hopes up... I'll only be crushed when he ends up signing for LA, or Red Wings or something like that.

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06-27-2011, 12:12 AM
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Ohhhh.... stop getting my hopes up... I'll only be crushed when he ends up signing for LA, or Red Wings or something like that.
Honestly, I'd like it if he went West if he didn't go back with us. See him less, and be glad he doesn't destroy us . Still love Gagne.

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06-27-2011, 12:14 AM
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Honestly, I'd like it if he went West if he didn't go back with us. See him less, and be glad he doesn't destroy us . Still love Gagne.
i think errbody still loves gagne

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06-27-2011, 12:22 AM
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Betts had a screwed up thumb remember? I'm sure that prevented him from doing a lot of what he could, such as pushing people and doing better on the faceoffs. Honestly, I don't think the 4th line is weak, it's just an energy line, with 3 semi to full defensive forwards. Powe and Nodl do play bigger than their size. And for the #6 d-man thing, we don't need 6 top-4 d-men. We can have a weaker #6 (not a bad #6) because of the goalie we have behind them now. Gustafsson and Bartulis fighting for the spot should be fine.
Think Powe may have been the biggest forward other than Shelley last year. Isn't a small dude.

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06-27-2011, 12:27 AM
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Think Powe may have been the biggest forward other than Shelley last year. Isn't a small dude.

5'11" 212lbs?

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06-27-2011, 12:29 AM
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I love Gags, he was always one of my favorite Flyers of all time. However after how Homer treated him last year there is no chance in hell that he signs here. As much as I want it to happen, the reality is that it won't

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Think Powe may have been the biggest forward other than Shelley last year. Isn't a small dude.
He's not that big, but he definitely plays like he is.

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5'11" 212lbs?
Only guy bigger on the roster is Voracek now.

Powe is actually the perfect size to level hits. Stocky with a low center of gravity is powerful leverage.

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06-27-2011, 12:38 AM
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Only guy bigger on the roster is Voracek now.
Huh? Bigger than who? Or 5'11"?

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Huh? Bigger than who? Or 5'11"?
Weight. Other than Shelley.

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06-27-2011, 12:47 AM
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Weight. Other than Shelley.
Oh, how fat. Makes sense now.

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06-27-2011, 12:48 AM
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Only guy bigger on the roster is Voracek now.

Powe is actually the perfect size to level hits. Stocky with a low center of gravity is powerful leverage.
i get that you're talking weight, but JVR is 6'3'' 200+ lbs. that's a pretty big dude.

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No offense intended, so don't go all flipping out at me, I LOVE Gagne.


BUT, if his name wasn't Simon Gagne, would you really want to sign the player with his head/concussion problems?

Be honest.

As much as I would like to see it happen, I don't want the injury risk.

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i get that you're talking weight, but JVR is 6'3'' 200+ lbs. that's a pretty big dude.
Yeah, but JVR has a much higher center of gravity because of it. There's a reason a lot of the guys known for dishing huge hits are on the shorter side.

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No offense intended, so don't go all flipping out at me, I LOVE Gagne.


BUT, if his name wasn't Simon Gagne, would you really want to sign the player with his head/concussion problems?

Be honest.

As much as I would like to see it happen, I don't want the injury risk.
Favorite player in the NHL, but not a priority. Would much prefer someone like Laich.

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No offense intended, so don't go all flipping out at me, I LOVE Gagne.


BUT, if his name wasn't Simon Gagne, would you really want to sign the player with his head/concussion problems?

Be honest.

As much as I would like to see it happen, I don't want the injury risk.
We know he's an injury risk, but it's what he brings. He's a great two-way forward, can still put up some points and even with all the injuries, still has good speed. Also, imagine the positive impact he would make just by being on the team again, seeing him again, and he is someone you can really count on to be clutch.

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06-27-2011, 01:06 AM
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Yeah, but JVR has a much higher center of gravity because of it. There's a reason a lot of the guys known for dishing huge hits are on the shorter side.
Yeah, even Giroux, who isn't really known for his hits, was dishing out some big ones during the Buffalo series because he was able to come from under people. The one on Vanek stands out to me in particular.

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06-27-2011, 01:11 AM
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Yeah, even Giroux, who isn't really known for his hits, was dishing out some big ones during the Buffalo series because he was able to come from under people. The one on Vanek stands out to me in particular.
Yep. Part of the problem with people complaining about Carter's physical game. When you are built like that it's tough to deliver big hits cuz you can't get under guys with good leverage.

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06-27-2011, 01:38 AM
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Yep. Part of the problem with people complaining about Carter's physical game. When you are built like that it's tough to deliver big hits cuz you can't get under guys with good leverage.
Oh dear lord, now it's the laws of physics why jeff Carter didnt use his size.
It's even tougher to deliver big hits when you don't hit anybody.

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06-27-2011, 01:41 AM
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Oh dear lord, now it's the laws of physics why jeff Carter didnt use his size.
It's even tougher to deliver big hits when you don't hit anybody.
Yes, cuz running around hitting people is the mark of a good hockey player. Carter was also never the wilting flower you are making him out to be.

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06-27-2011, 01:55 AM
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Oh dear lord, now it's the laws of physics why jeff Carter didnt use his size.
It's even tougher to deliver big hits when you don't hit anybody.
Carter isn't a checker, so what. I had absolutely no problem with Carter on the ice (and TBH, I have no experince with his "off-ice" issues, just what has been "rumored" so I don't really know) Carter wasn't soft in my opinion. There were MANY times that I watched him in amazement on how he could be so dominant. I just couldn't understand how he could go look so damned good for some stretches and was invisable for other stretches. Maybe it was off-ice issues. Maybe it was just natural cycles for him. Maybe it was little "tweek" now and then that affected him. IDK. In my opinion, he has all the tools to be a dominant force on the ice every shift. It's frustrating to me as a fan when he seems to take shifts of entire games off.

We got a glimpse this playoffs of what JVR can do. Unfortunately, we as fans might "expect" him to play that way every game all game long from now on. JVR is very much like Carter in my eyes. There's more I could say but why, this says about it all. Carter and Richards were and still are 2 of my favorite players in the league. I'll continue to follwo them as much as I can. I was really confused in the recchi apprecialtion thread where it seemed that man fans said they hated him after he left the Flyers. I STILL loved him and was very happy for him to win his 3rd cup. Even though he hated the Flyers I don't think that sentiment extended to the fans (same with Lindros at least for me).

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If we did go after Gagne instead of Cole, we'd need to get him on the cheap (less than 3 mil). He's a third liner at this point, and his injury history is very problematic.

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Oh dear lord, now it's the laws of physics why jeff Carter didnt use his size.
It's even tougher to deliver big hits when you don't hit anybody.
Carter never destroyed people like Richards hit Poti or Powe hit Gorges; that doesn't mean he floated around avoiding physical contact though. Could he be more physical? Yeah, he could, but that wasn't his game. His game is based on positioning and using his size in terms of reach and cutting off angles (just look at that YouTube of him shutting down Crosby as the ultimate example).

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If we did go after Gagne instead of Cole, we'd need to get him on the cheap (less than 3 mil). He's a third liner at this point, and his injury history is very problematic.
On pace for 50 points last year, and was a point per game player in the playoffs. He'd definitely have success in Philly again and he wouldn't have to be relied on either. I think he'd be an excellent addition to the team... again.

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I'll just do a capgeek thing for if Gagne goes for 3M:

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Kris Versteeg ($3.083m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
Simon Gagne ($3.000m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m)
Darroll Powe ($0.800m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.900m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m)

DEFENSEMEN
Chris Pronger ($4.921m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Braydon Coburn ($3.200m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,606,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $693,572

For some reason, that Gagne-Schenn-Simmonds reminds me of the Gagne-Richards-Knuble line we had a while ago.

Love this team, top 9 are STACKED with different qualities, the right mix of youth & experience too.
I thought OD was signing back up for a year? Can we put him in at 7 instead of Bartulis? Cap wouldn't be far off a wash, and he brings much more experience. He & Gus rotate the 6th D-man role?

Also, doesn't Matt Read have to be with the big boys next year as part of his contract? Bury Shelley in the minors?

That team would definitely compete IMO.

Although, something tells me Gags ends up in Beantown

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