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Kevin Bieksa signs 5-Year, $23m Deal ($4.6m/year cap hit - NTC)

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06-27-2011, 02:54 PM
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Avs? They just dumped Liles and Ehrhoff is a superior player.
Avs are definitely one of the teams that can throw big money at Ehrhoff. If Ehrhoff is looking to cash in, that would be one of the teams to do it with.

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06-27-2011, 02:55 PM
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Are people whining over .35m? If Bieksa in his current level at 4.6 is our worst contract we are golden
At first the initial reaction was it was a bit much(at least for me), but then quickly realized this is a great deal!, as he could have gotten more as a UFA, and he does play very well here.



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I can't believe some of the expectations people had. I have never been Bieksa's biggest fan and have been very critical of his inconsistent play, but to me $4.5/5 years was the absolute minimum that he could have been signed for at it cost Gillis an extra $0.1 which is nothing. This is a great signing and it is a hometown discount. I have no doubt Bieksa gets at least $5.0 on the open market and although $0.4 doesn't seem to be a huge amount, 8% is a fairly significant amount. If every player did that, a team would have an extra $5.1 million to spend.

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I think a lot of Bieksa's value came down to his post-season performance. Now think about giving Ehrhoff more with a much worse playoffs. I think that will be a point of contention for Gillis.

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06-27-2011, 02:56 PM
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How do people think we're going to lock up Ehrhoff even at something in the low $5 million range now? I'm looking at this deal and thinking, ok...so maybe there were teams with $5 million offers for Bieksa...he takes around a $400,000 per year hair-cut to stay in Vancouver. I think it's likely Ehrhoff could garner offers in the $6 million range at this point, so we're expecting him to take nearly a $1 million hair-cut on his deal? Unlikely I say.

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Why did he have to get 100K more than Hamhuis? If I was Mike Gillis I would have drawn the line at $4.5mil and let the deal fall through on principle alone for that last 100K. Dan Hamhuis has been infinitely better than Kevin Bieksa over the last 4 years...
2 reasons. 1, cap is 5 million higher than when Hamhuis signed. Bieksa's salary is % wise less than what Hamhuis' was. 2, Bieksa has an offensive side to his game, and points always cost more.

While I kind of agree with the principle thing, Gillis can't be so stubborn that he's willing to lose important part of top 4 defence because of 100k. It's just a stupid thing to do.

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I think Gillis is looking at Bieksa, Ehrhoff, and Salo as a unit right now. That trio combined to make $10.75 million in cap space last season. Salo is in line for a fairly significant pay cut (think in the $2 million range on a 1 year). If you pencil in Ehrhoff around $5 million, that would bring this year's total for the 3 in at $11.6 million. Being able to retain all 3, while only increasing the cap hit of them as a group by $850,000 would be very shrewd management and set us up very well going forward.
This absolutely. I kind of wish it was 4.5 so that we could say "this is the cap" but it just wasn't going to happen with the change in salary cap.

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06-27-2011, 02:58 PM
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so much for the discount.. No way is he worth more than Hamhuis.

Oh well, I'm happy he's back.

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I'm fairly critical of whether I want Ehrhoff back next season or not after his performance this post-season. He's a great offensive defenseman and he fits this team well. However for what he's going to command on the UFA market, I can't help thinking there's some other names I'd want more. Pitkanen being my main suspect, even though that's probably a pipe dream.

I'm satisfied with this deal for Bieksa, it's about 600k much in my eyes but I'm not going to complain. I'm happy Bieksa will be here for another five years. He's turning into one of the best Canuck defenseman of all time... as sad as that is.

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I'm not a fan of paying complimentary players big dollars. Hamhuis is the anchor on that 1st pairing and should be the higher paid of the 2 IMO. For me this is akin to giving Alex Burrows $5mil to score 35 goals with the Sedins - poor value.

Why did he have to get 100K more than Hamhuis? If I was Mike Gillis I would have drawn the line at $4.5mil and let the deal fall through on principle alone for that last 100K. Dan Hamhuis has been infinitely better than Kevin Bieksa over the last 4 years...
Sheer, utter nonsense.

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I think a lot of Bieksa's value came down to his post-season performance. Now think about giving Ehrhoff more with a much worse playoffs. I think that will be a point of contention for Gillis.
It damn well should be.

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Pitkanen being my main suspect, even though that's probably a pipe dream.
From what I've read, he's look for a decent raise on his last contract (was $4.5 million) - reason I think why the Canes are likely walking away from him.

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Happy to have him back, better put up slightly higher numbers than last year if he wants to earn that money though...

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people are saying that hamhuis is setting the bar for dman salaries but i just can't see ehrhoff signing for what bieksa did. he doesn't have bieksa's ties to the team, and would get significantly more in free agency if both had made it to july 1. if he takes less than 5M per to stay it would be a bigger discount than bieksa took. i'm also even less comfortable giving ehrhoff a ntc as he's a glorified pp specialist.

if the canucks could replace him on the pp i'd be happy to let him walk but they won't be able do that through free agency so i have mixed feelings about getting him signed.

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06-27-2011, 03:00 PM
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anyone know how much cap space do we have left? the cap space went up to 64.3?

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How do people think we're going to lock up Ehrhoff even at something in the low $5 million range now? I'm looking at this deal and thinking, ok...so maybe there were teams with $5 million offers for Bieksa...he takes around a $400,000 per year hair-cut to stay in Vancouver. I think it's likely Ehrhoff could garner offers in the $6 million range at this point, so we're expecting him to take nearly a $1 million hair-cut on his deal? Unlikely I say.


Bieksa on the open market gets 5.5-6m easy. There are teams out there with 15m+ in cap space available heading into FA. To give him 5.5~ is a no brainer for them. And at that value, he took 1m haircut to stay. Ehrhoff will be expected to do roughly the same. Whether he does it or not... who can say?

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Ya I'd happily have Hoff at 5 instead of Pitkanen at 5. Pitkanen has a better skill-set in some ways, and can be more physical, but he leaves you wanting more all the time, I know what I'm getting with Hoff. He's also very important to that PP unit, in a way that is very hard to replace IMO.

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anyone know how much cap space do we have left? the cap space went up to 64.3?
A lot. Especially if we trade Ballard.

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I thought Bieksa looked okay in the SCF playing without Hamhuis and with a bruised MCL -- aside from the catastrophic game with Ballard. He certainly looked better than Ehrhoff did with his equally slight injury.

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people are saying that hamhuis is setting the bar for dman salaries but i just can't see ehrhoff signing for what bieksa did. he doesn't have bieksa's ties to the team, and would get significantly more in free agency if both had made it to july 1. if he takes less than 5M per to stay it would be a bigger discount than bieksa took. i'm also even less comfortable giving ehrhoff a ntc as he's a glorified pp specialist.

if the canucks could replace him on the pp i'd be happy to let him walk but they won't be able do that through free agency so i have mixed feelings about getting him signed.
Marc-Andre Bergeron made a NHL career of having only ONE NHL calibre skill (his point shot - granted it's a very good skill but the only skill he has at this level of hockey).

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people are saying that hamhuis is setting the bar for dman salaries but i just can't see ehrhoff signing for what bieksa did. he doesn't have bieksa's ties to the team, and would get significantly more in free agency if both had made it to july 1. if he takes less than 5M per to stay it would be a bigger discount than bieksa took. i'm also even less comfortable giving ehrhoff a ntc as he's a glorified pp specialist.

if the canucks could replace him on the pp i'd be happy to let him walk but they won't be able do that through free agency so i have mixed feelings about getting him signed.
As mentioned, there is literally zero chance Ehrhoff signs a contract in the $4.5 million range...that's ludicrous. He's probably the premium PMD on the market. Either the team ponies up $5.5+ million for him or he walks.

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Bieksa on the open market gets 5.5-6m easy.
Ugh...possibly but that is a TERRIBLE contract. There was a massive bidding war for Hamhuis last year, and the highest number I heard reported was a bit above $5 million per year. I just can't believe any hockey people would actually think Bieksa is worth more then Hamhuis.

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It's all about percentage of cap space. Who cares if Aquilini has to dish out an extra hundred grand in the backroom?

"Principles" carry very little weight in contract negotiations.

Anyways, we're talking about Dan Hamhuis here, not Niklas Lidstrom.

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A lot. Especially when we trade Ballard.
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I thought Bieksa looked okay in the SCF playing without Hamhuis and with a bruised MCL -- aside from the catastrophic game with Ballard. He certainly looked better than Ehrhoff did with his equally slight injury.
Agreed. He looked fine. Obviously he was better with Hamhuis, but that's why Hamhuis is here. They're going to be a very good pairing for a very long time and I'm happy we have them to anchor our defense.

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Heh, weren't the Nucks fans the ones that wanted Bieska traded last year?
4.6 for 5 seems like a pretty decent deal.

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