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06-27-2011, 01:51 PM
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I might lose my will to live if we don't keep MacGregor Sharp. After all we've been through together!

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I might lose my will to live if we don't keep MacGregor Sharp. After all we've been through together!
I know, I couldn't sleep last night myself.

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06-27-2011, 02:30 PM
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AV made up his pathetic closed mind about Shirokov after only 3games, even tho shiro scored a goal. AV cannot stand forwards with talent. He needs plugs like Raymond with zero vision and playmaking ability.

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nhlnumbers says we have $1.336 in cap space left and $63.623 tied up in salary. Obviously that site has a lot of errors.

According to Capgeek we have $50,283,333 tied up in salary and $14,016,667 in space.

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You laugh but I would absolutely love to see Bernier signed at around 750k to play on a 3b line
Not me. It's not going to happen anyway, but Oreskovich made more big hits in that Boston game in the regular season than Bernier did in his whole career as a Canuck. Although, he did hurt many panels of glass when he was here.

And if I had a nickel for everytime he would fan on a marvelous scoring chance during his time here, well, I'd probably have five bucks.

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06-27-2011, 03:19 PM
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AV made up his pathetic closed mind about Shirokov after only 3games, even tho shiro scored a goal. AV cannot stand forwards with talent. He needs plugs like Raymond with zero vision and playmaking ability.


Raymond has more skill and playmaking ability than Shirokov. Maybe his stickhandling isn't as fancy, but that's because he can go around people with speed rather than slowly attempting to go through them. The Shirokov love on this board is ridiculous.

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06-27-2011, 04:04 PM
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Raymond has more skill and playmaking ability than Shirokov. Maybe his stickhandling isn't as fancy, but that's because he can go around people with speed rather than slowly attempting to go through them. The Shirokov love on this board is ridiculous.
passing? you think raymond is a better passer? do you even watch hockey? raymond is the biggest puckhog/tunnel vision winger ever, about 99% of the time the puck hits his stick, the play dies and ends up with the opponent in possession. can you honestly say you have ever seen raymond slip into scoring position at the right moment, or see a teammate and set them up with a perfect sneaky pass? you cannot, because he does not. zero offensive insticts, and that is shirokovs (only?) main talent.

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06-27-2011, 04:22 PM
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Raymond has more skill and playmaking ability than Shirokov. Maybe his stickhandling isn't as fancy, but that's because he can go around people with speed rather than slowly attempting to go through them. The Shirokov love on this board is ridiculous.
Shirokov gets by on hockey sense, Raymond gets by on speed.

If Shiro had Raymond's speed he'd be amazing. Similarly if Raymond had any hockey sense he wouldn't be anywhere near as frustrating.

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Shirokov gets by on hockey sense, Raymond gets by on speed.

If Shiro had Raymond's speed he'd be amazing. Similarly if Raymond had any hockey sense he wouldn't be anywhere near as frustrating.
I'm telling ya, hire Bure to mentor Raymond and boom goes the dynamite! Might be a moot point because of Raymond's broken back and the falling out between the Nucks and Bure, but whatevs. Was a nice dream while it lasted.

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I'm telling ya, hire Bure to mentor Raymond and boom goes the dynamite! Might be a moot point because of Raymond's broken back and the falling out between the Nucks and Bure, but whatevs. Was a nice dream while it lasted.
Bure and Raymond are completely different players.

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L. Sweatt officially not qualified. As per Twitter.

Edit: No official word on Shiro yet. Initial post premature.


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06-27-2011, 05:03 PM
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wow, totally didnt see sweatt not being qualified. thats unfortunate

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06-27-2011, 05:05 PM
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Shirokov gets by on hockey sense, Raymond gets by on speed.

If Shiro had Raymond's speed he'd be amazing. Similarly if Raymond had any hockey sense he wouldn't be anywhere near as frustrating.
and this is why I think developing raymond was a mistake, and guys like grabner/shiro should have been given that opportunitey.

you can TEACH defense, you cant teach offensive awareness/vision. raymond has never and will never have it. he is not 2nd line material. you cant teach the offensive instincts. speed isnt everything, raymond generates no offense with his, and while being decent defensively, he isnt anything special. AV's manlove hurt us again.

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06-27-2011, 05:10 PM
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Hrm, find it a bit odd we didn't qualify Shirokov. L.Sweatt was basically a ploy to get us B.Sweatt I think; and considering Billy had a fairly good AHL year and is looking like a legit prospect I guess it paid off.

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Hrm, find it a bit odd we didn't qualify Shirokov. L.Sweatt was basically a ploy to get us B.Sweatt I think; and considering Billy had a fairly good AHL year and is looking like a legit prospect I guess it paid off.
I wouldn't jump on the Shirokov thing yet. There's no reliable source confirming it right now. Sweatt was confirmed by his agent though, so he's definitely out.

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06-27-2011, 05:15 PM
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I wouldn't jump on the Shirokov thing yet. There's no reliable source confirming it right now. Sweatt was confirmed by his agent though, so he's definitely out.
This. I may have spoken too soon on Shirokov. My bad.

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Shiro and L. Sweatt officially not qualified. As per Twitter.
woah, this is ********.

Awful asset management if true.

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AV made up his pathetic closed mind about Shirokov after only 3games, even tho shiro scored a goal. AV cannot stand forwards with talent. He needs plugs like Raymond with zero vision and playmaking ability.
You mean that "plug" Mason Raymond, who had 25 goals in the NHL?

And that all-star Shirokov, whose career best is 22 goals... in the AHL?

You can hate on Raymond all you want, but don't pretend Shirokov is somehow better or more deserving of a roster spot.

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*EDIT* - There have been no confirmed reports as of yet about Shirokov not being qualified. However L. Sweatt has NOT been qualified.

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06-27-2011, 05:41 PM
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You mean that "plug" Mason Raymond, who had 25 goals in the NHL?

And that all-star Shirokov, whose career best is 22 goals... in the AHL?

You can hate on Raymond all you want, but don't pretend Shirokov is somehow better or more deserving of a roster spot.
i never said roster spot, i said development time. but if you truly think raymond has offensive vision, passing, and PLAYS a team game with 2nd line linemates, then I dont know what to say, other than you are wrong. look at his lifetime stats, he has never been an offensive player, that 1 25 goal NHL season was the anomaly. perhaps you are unaware but guys like Isbister are also former 20 goal scorers too, it doesnt mean they are useful in a 2nd line role.

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Can you guys take that Raymond discussion elsewhere? There's several threads where the same thing is already being discussed.

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Not surprised about Lee Sweatt. It doesn't look like his defense is good enough to give even 3rd pairing minutes to. Best-case scenario, he turns into Marc-Andre Bergeron, and we all know about Bergeron's tough time finding NHL jobs.

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Sweatt is a bit surprising, but there isn't going to be a ton of room with the big club in the next few years. Add to that a large amount of d-men we've drafted in recent years and there simply wasn't room.

We'll see with Shirokov, but either way we go I won't be too surprised.

I don't really look at these as bad moves - more of a sign that we have a fairly set roster for the near future and don't have room for older prospects.

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It doesn't matter...he doesn't have anyone worth re-signing anymore.
Nicklas Bergfors may be the nicest piece who wasn't qualified.

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