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06-27-2011, 03:30 PM
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A lot of Orange Kool aid being passed around here.
Well, we have a goalie. There's always that.

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06-27-2011, 03:34 PM
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Well, we have a goalie. There's always that.
Somewhat offset by us being down two of our most defensively responsible forwards.

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06-27-2011, 03:51 PM
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Somewhat offset by us being down two of our most defensively responsible forwards.
Yes but you could also argue that our offense was more than good enough last season.

That being said, goaltending was our biggest weakness. If you sacrifice a couple pieces of your deep offense in order to make your biggest weakness into a strength, it makes things very interesting.

I for one, am very excited and anxious for this season to get going. And it's the first year in a while where I'm really looking forward to just training camp in general.

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06-27-2011, 03:59 PM
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Yes but you could also argue that our offense was more than good enough last season.

That being said, goaltending was our biggest weakness. If you sacrifice a couple pieces of your deep offense in order to make your biggest weakness into a strength, it makes things very interesting.

I for one, am very excited and anxious for this season to get going. And it's the first year in a while where I'm really looking forward to just training camp in general.
Our offense wasn't great DEFENSIVELY as a whole group. It had a couple very strong pieces, but it definitely had its liabilities (see the HBL line, which was massacred by Boston...blame goalies all you want, but they weren't solely responsible).

I think Bryz is going to balance out a bit of that loss, but since our Cup run we lost Lappy and Gagne - which I think played a big part in our issues last year - and now we've lost Carter and Richards, who were clearly our best two-way forwards.

Having defensively weak forwards is problematic, no matter how good your blue line and goaltending are.

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06-27-2011, 04:03 PM
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Yes but you could also argue that our offense was more than good enough last season.

That being said, goaltending was our biggest weakness. If you sacrifice a couple pieces of your deep offense in order to make your biggest weakness into a strength, it makes things very interesting.

I for one, am very excited and anxious for this season to get going. And it's the first year in a while where I'm really looking forward to just training camp in general.
After the run to the SCF last season you weren't excited about training camp last fall? Wow.

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06-27-2011, 04:12 PM
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Of course Clarke says we're better. This is like Bill Gates saying "Hey guys. I like Microsoft."

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I actually think this team is one or two players away from being an elite team.... and its almost 100% flyers are going to add some more skill on friday.

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06-27-2011, 04:18 PM
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After the run to the SCF last season you weren't excited about training camp last fall? Wow.
Haha, maybe you're misunderstanding me. I'm excited for training camp every year, because it marks a starting point to hockey and getting the season rolling. But after the cup run I was certain that we had the team to do it, and training camp became more of a formality and the first step toward the playoffs and another shot at the cup. This year, with all the new and young talent we have, in excited for training camp ITSELF so we can mess with line combinations and see who works well together and see who's going to step it up.

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This team has to prove it to me before I will say, "Yes, we are better." or "No, we are not." Innocent until proven guilty.

I will say this though: Before we traded Richards and Carter my expectations were STANLEY CUP.

After, my expectations are ... "Who the heck knows?"

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06-27-2011, 04:55 PM
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As much as I like the trades and think we're better for it, I don't like the "bigger, faster, younger, stronger" arguments. Yes they may all be true, but it's not like Carter and Richards didn't make us any smaller, slower, older, or weaker....

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06-27-2011, 05:23 PM
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As much as I like the trades and think we're better for it, I don't like the "bigger, faster, younger, stronger" arguments. Yes they may all be true, but it's not like Carter and Richards didn't make us any smaller, slower, older, or weaker....
Oh, we were weaker, all right. After all, Richards has the physique of an 8 year old.

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Oh, we were weaker, all right. After all, Richards has the physique of an 8 year old.
haha still the best quote ever. And if it's true, poor Marc-Andre Bergeron for getting bulldozed by the physique of an 8 year old

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haha still the best quote ever. And if it's true, poor Marc-Andre Bergeron for getting bulldozed by the physique of an 8 year old
I like the "you don't bench press a puck into the net"

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No one can possibly say beyond a shadow of a doubt that we're better or worse until the team steps out onto the ice and plays a couple of games.

This is the NHL, you never know...
Sometimes, you do.

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Somewhat offset by us being down two of our most defensively responsible forwards.
Somewhere Chris Shafer is crying.

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Of course Clarke says we're better. This is like Bill Gates saying "Hey guys. I like Microsoft."
More like "Windows Vista was an incredible operating system that didn't suck at all."

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06-29-2011, 03:50 AM
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Good interview..and I agree

ST. PAUL -- In the eyes of Bob Clarke, the complexion of the Philadelphia Flyers certainly changed this week.

"But from our standpoint, it's for the better," Clarke, the team's senior vice president, told NHL.com on the floor at the 2011 NHL Entry Draft. "It'll be a different team -- bigger, faster, younger and stronger."
did this trade really make the flyers bigger and stronger? younger, yes,

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Made us bigger i think. Bigger in the sense that we have people that can use their weight. Richards completly dropped off the physical stuff this year, and carter didn't realise how big he was.

Simmonds is a tank, Voracek is essentially carter, Schenn is a big lump and Sean C looks like a beast.

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06-29-2011, 07:41 AM
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Made us bigger i think. Bigger in the sense that we have people that can use their weight. Richards completly dropped off the physical stuff this year, and carter didn't realise how big he was.

Simmonds is a tank, Voracek is essentially carter, Schenn is a big lump and Sean C looks like a beast.
Simmonds, at 6'2" 183lbs, is hardly a tank, although he does play a gritty game.
Voracek is not really Carter at all. He's a guy that is very good along the boards and isn't afraid to take the puck into traffic areas. He actually uses his body much better than Carter does, and is a player who will choose to take the puck behind the net and look to set up a shooter rather than take the shot himself.

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You obviously havent seen simmonds play. He steam-rolls people

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I actually think this team is one or two players away from being an elite team.... and its almost 100% flyers are going to add some more skill on friday.
Don't you have inside sources? What's the word on potential moves?

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did this trade really make the flyers bigger and stronger? younger, yes,
Yes because Simmonds and Voracek will actually use their size and tenacity on a more consistent basis. We'll see if Shenn makes it but he's got the tenacity and will be out to prove himself. Couterier needs to pound some weight gainer but eventually he'll be in that Stall mode everybody keeps comparing him to. Plus Flyers will add some more size and grit with free agency. So to me it's a safe bet to say we will be bigger and stronger...

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Lines right now

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.250m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.500m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) /
Eric Wellwood ($0.580m)

DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Carle ($3.437m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Erik Gustafsson ($0.900m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m)

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SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $60,081,428; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $4,218,572

$4 mill to sign a 2nd line winger.

However, this is the roster with tagging space.

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FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($2.500m)
Kris Versteeg ($3.083m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Wayne Simmonds ($1.500m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m) / Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Andreas Nodl ($0.845m)
Jody Shelley ($1.100m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m) / Ian Laperriere ($1.166m)

DEFENSEMEN
Matt Carle ($3.437m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
Braydon Coburn ($3.200m) / Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m)
Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m) / Matt Walker ($1.700m)
Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)

GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.666m) / Sergei Bobrovsky ($1.750m) / Michael Leighton ($1.550m)

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SALARY CAP: $70,730,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,268,095; BONUSES: $3,815,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $7,461,905

They can technically sign a $7.4 mill contract, but that includes Schenn. He is ELC, so I doubt they have to factor him into the numbers just yet.

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