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06-27-2011, 06:16 PM
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Pyatt's the only surprise here - I thought JM and PG were fans of him. Oh well, White, Moen, and Darche all do it better.

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06-27-2011, 06:17 PM
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His board play was among the worst in the league. I remember them showing a video on TSN of the coaches trying to improve him at that aspect. He just didn't seem to get it.

Hopefully we get someone with Size who can wear down the top lines.
If I remember correctly, the video they showed was him working on his defensive zone clearing, and it was terrible, but it was on his off wing. He is much better used on the left than the right, and they were practicing that in the video.

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Yet we almost did! Apparently, P.K. Subban was part of the reported deal to get Vinny Lecavalier, but praise the Price, the Lightning owners could not agree and the deal never happened.

Now McDonagh was not our #1 prospect, and Gomez had a 70 point season followed by 58 points in 77 games. Both times second or tied for first in scoring on his team.

"Massively underperformed"??
At the time, McDonagh was the Habs top rated prospect. It was before Subban started his rapid progression and Price was no longer considered a prospect.

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06-27-2011, 06:17 PM
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A big mistake based on what? This is second organization he's played for and both times he has not lived up to expectations
Well, at least his first team got a 30 goal scorer for him.

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Well, at least his first team got a 30 goal scorer for him.
Yeah, as we can see, he is a consistent 30 goal scorer...

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Damn, if 3-4 years ago I had told you that

Latendresse+Higgins+McDonagh

would devolve into

Gomez

Allowing the rangers to sign Gaborik (and possibly Richards) while getting McDonagh...

People would have told me I'm crazy. But now that Gainey did it, it's all understandable, even possibly logical.

Good job Bob! Holy crap can't even begin to describe the amount of fail in this. And it's not like it's ****ing hindsight. It was horrible from day one, and has only gotten worse.
There was no doubt it was a bad trade now and then, and Latendresse was basically given away for nothing. But why add him to the Gomez deal? What does he have to do with the value of that transaction? And why not add S.Kostitsyn too if your going to add Lats, because he was basically given away for nothing as well.

Sucks that the Habs couldn't even get a late round pick for either one. I wonder if they were shopped and no one would bite so they just decided to cut them losse.

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06-27-2011, 06:20 PM
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Damn, if 3-4 years ago I had told you that

Latendresse+Higgins+McDonagh

would devolve into

Gomez

Allowing the rangers to sign Gaborik (and possibly Richards) while getting McDonagh...

People would have told me I'm crazy. But now that Gainey did it, it's all understandable, even possibly logical.

Good job Bob! Holy crap can't even begin to describe the amount of fail in this. And it's not like it's ****ing hindsight. It was horrible from day one, and has only gotten worse.
What has tender done since that little spirt once traded - nothing
Higgins has bounced around from team to team - Nothing special
McDonaugh hasn't proven anything yet

By the way - how many play offs games has the Ranger played since that Gomez trade - Not as many as us.

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06-27-2011, 06:22 PM
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letting pouliot go is a big mistake
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NOT letting pouliot go sooner is a big mistake...

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06-27-2011, 06:24 PM
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What has tender done since that little spirt once traded - nothing
Higgins has bounced around from team to team - Nothing special
McDonaugh hasn't proven anything yet

By the way - how many play offs games has the Ranger played since that Gomez trade - Not as many as us.
How many playoffs points did Gaborik get since?

Gaborik : 2pts in 5 games
Gomez : 18 pts in 26 games

But hey, Gomez is god awfuk and Gaborik is the Rangers' saviour...

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06-27-2011, 06:27 PM
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NOT letting pouliot go sooner is a big mistake...
Getting Pouliot in the first place is a big mistake.

And what happened to our big plan of making him our big Center?

Fail across the board on this dossier.

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06-27-2011, 06:28 PM
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Because he's not a very good player and they're willing to take that (minimal) risk.
You keep spewing this crap but I bet you saw him play no more than two or three times last year.

St. Louis fans are clueless and upset that he hasn't been qualified. Go read their threads, they loved him last year.

Whatever.

PS. This sport we are talking about all the time is called H-O-C-K-E-Y. Just saying.

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How many playoffs points did Gaborik get since?

Gaborik : 2pts in 5 games
Gomez : 18 pts in 26 games

But hey, Gomez is god awfuk and Gaborik is the Rangers' saviour...
I'm not saying Gaborik is great or anything but Gomez is also a -12 in that span.

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06-27-2011, 06:31 PM
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Does this not mean that the Habs will receive a compensatory pick if another team signs him?

QUESTION!!!

I do not know the exact terms as per CBA, but I believe the Habs can a 34th overall compensatory pick in next years draft (30 spots below his draft selection).

Either the above mention scenario or a 3rd rounder from the team that signs him (if Pouliot signs for $1M-$1.5M with the new team).

so do we get a compensatory pick??

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Does this not mean that the Habs will receive a compensatory pick if another team signs him?

QUESTION!!!

I do not know the exact terms as per CBA, but I believe the Habs can a 34th overall compensatory pick in next years draft (30 spots below his draft selection).

Either the above mention scenario or a 3rd rounder from the team that signs him (if Pouliot signs for $1M-$1.5M with the new team).

so do we get a compensatory pick??
No, he's UFA.

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06-27-2011, 06:32 PM
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Getting Pouliot in the first place is a big mistake.

And what happened to our big plan of making him our big Center?

Fail across the board on this dossier.
Just a huge fiasco.

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06-27-2011, 06:34 PM
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No, he's UFA.
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06-27-2011, 06:35 PM
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This is surprising. I thought Martin was a big fan of him. I never really understood the love, personally.

Natey won't be happy.
Who's "him"?

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There was no doubt it was a bad trade now and then, and Latendresse was basically given away for nothing. But why add him to the Gomez deal? What does he have to do with the value of that transaction? And why not add S.Kostitsyn too if your going to add Lats, because he was basically given away for nothing as well.

Sucks that the Habs couldn't even get a late round pick for either one. I wonder if they were shopped and no one would bite so they just decided to cut them losse.
Because this is today's result with Pyatt/Pouliot not qualified. They're the result of the bad trades of yesterday. That's why, it shows how bad Gainey was at managing the large number of assets the scouting staff (established by A.Savard) gave him.

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If somebody has mentioned it already, sorry .. but Mcguire earlier today on the Team 990 said that when he interviewed for the Minny GM job they asked him which two moves he would make right away .. he told the Minny people

1) Sign Gaborik long term

2) Trade Benoit Pouliot

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Because this is today's result with Pyatt/Pouliot not qualified. They're the result of the bad trades of yesterday. That's why, it shows how bad Gainey was at managing the large number of assets the scouting staff established by A.Savard gave him.
Rather have Latendresse and McDonagh in the line up than Pouliot & Pyatt

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Getting Pouliot in the first place is a big mistake.

And what happened to our big plan of making him our big Center?

Fail across the board on this dossier.
Boo hoo! He traded him for an underachieving frenchman who thought he had Mtl by the balls. The year our French "savior" was traded we made the semi-finals.

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Sigh I guess I am one of the few looking forward to seeing the replacements of BP and TP on the roster...

My only slight qualm is if we are indeed moving in another direction, at least for the time being... now perhaps it would be wise to trade them when the right trade came along...

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Because this is today's result with Pyatt/Pouliot not qualified. They're the result of the bad trades of yesterday. That's why, it shows how bad Gainey was at managing the large number of assets the scouting staff (established by A.Savard) gave him.
Not disagreeing that it was terrible asset management, but the Lats deal and Gomez deal were seperate trades. S.Kostitsyn is in the same spot as Lats, he was traded for a guy that was also not qualified today. So you could have added him too if you're going to add Lats, because they are the same situation. Bad asset management.

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NOT letting pouliot go sooner is a big mistake...
good thing management doesnt quit on our prospects as quick as the fans

Patches would of been traded for a bad of pucks 2 years ago

Too bad Martin hates him and he never got a chance to show his stuff, same as patches 2 years ago.

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Not tendering Pouliot I saw coming from a mile away. However I didn't see Pyatt getting let go. Im hoping this means that they might be looking for a guy like Rupp to fill out the bottom 6 or 13th forward. A policemen would be welcome.

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good thing management doesnt quit on our prospects as quick as the fans

Patches would of been traded for a bad of pucks 2 years ago

Too bad Martin hates him and he never got a chance to show his stuff, same as patches 2 years ago.
Our management still seems to quit on young talent pretty quick.

The only guys who have been given the time is Plekanec, who has earnt it and Kostitsyn who is wildly inconsistent. I can't think of another player on our team that we drafted and is a big part of our club (leaving out the rookies and guys will little experience).

I guess you could sort of count Gorges.

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Not disagreeing that it was terrible asset management, but the Lats deal and Gomez deal were seperate trades. S.Kostitsyn is in the same spot as Lats, he was traded for a guy that was also not qualified today. So you could have added him too if you're going to add Lats, because they are the same situation. Bad asset management.
Who Boyd?

That's different. SK was given away from the start. Boyd was signed as an UFA, not as RFA acquired from the SK trade. So basically, we never had to trade SK to acquire Boyd cuz we could have signed him anyway. That was just the best way PG found of giving SK away for nothing to someone in particular.

EDIT: The point I'm making is that it's not as a result of today that we can say that the SK trade is a failure because it was a failure from the start.

But I could def. add him to the tally of wasted assets.

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