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06-27-2011, 05:08 PM
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No two situations are identical obviously - and you should keep in mind that the Flyers accepted what they did for Carter because of several extenuating circumstances that motivated their eagerness to deal him sooner rather than later.
True, but I've given reasons why Carter would be more attractive and I also offered more to Colorado in the trade. So. in a sense I'm offering more for less in order to give Colorado reasons to part with Stastny. Maybe its still not enough but I think that's a pretty fair offer.

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06-27-2011, 05:11 PM
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So, anyone have clarification on which RFA's the Sabres qualified today?

WGR says:
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In a separate matter Regier said they sent qualifying offers to restricted free agents Nathan Gerbe, Jhonas Enroth, Marc Gragnani, Mike Weber and Andrej Sekera.
http://wgr550.com/HAMITLON--What-a-s...trade/10201373

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The Sabres have made qualifying offers to all their restricted free agents.
http://wgr550.com/4-Sabres-eligible-...ation/10216864

Our other RFA's are McCauley, Persson, Schütz, and Turnbull.

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06-27-2011, 05:18 PM
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Schutz transfer back to DEL was contingent on them not offering him a QA. That was his agreement with the team.

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06-27-2011, 06:31 PM
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Schutz transfer back to DEL was contingent on them not offering him a QA. That was his agreement with the team.
Yeah, I knew that was the plan but it'd be nice if we had official confirmation.

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06-27-2011, 07:39 PM
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http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocen...=668&id=119842

If you read between the lines, he is saying "we're going after richards"

"We're going to be competivie for the top free agents"

"It's a thin market"

Ergo "We're going after the top free agent"
With Regier's tight-lipped M.O., we're always left to 'read between the lines' - but I think you're on the right track with the interpretation.

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As for B.Richards.... can people just say we won't get him and just be pleasantly surprised if, IF we get him. I understand the hope that Terry Pegula has given the Sabres fanbase and its pretty amazing especially if you are in Buffalo I imagine, like nothing else I've ever experienced as a fan of the team (since 99/2000) certainly but this is likely just a step too far.
That's a great way to live life - set your sights low so disappointment never happens.



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06-27-2011, 07:45 PM
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Remember that we're counting on shedding that capspace next year to resign Myers and Ennis. Replacing them this year with anything long term looks risky. Replacing them with other one-year deals is possible but seems rather... pointless. Especially looking at who Florida has that fits that criteria.
Boyes ($4M), Morrisonn ($2.1M) and Kotalik ($3.0M) will likely be deleted for a $9M savings, and Hecht will probably be re-signed to a shorter, cheaper cap hit ($1.75M - 2.0M).

Assuming Kassian and his ELC come in to replace Boyes and Gragnani will take over Morrisonn's spot, that mayber eats $2.0M out of the $11M savings noted - which should be more than enough to cover the two Tylers.

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06-27-2011, 09:30 PM
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Here's my scenario for getting Malkin.

We sign our RFAs, send Kotalik to Europe, send Morrisonn to Rochester, then make the following UFA signings:

Tim Connolly - 2 years, $4,400,000 total, $2,200,000 cap hit
Steve Montador - 2 years, $3,800,000 total, $1,900,000 cap hit
Cody McCormick - 1 year, $750,000 cap hit
Matt Ellis - 1 year, $600,000 cap hit
Kyle Wilson - 1 year, $700,000 cap hit

Then we make this trade:

to
Brad Boyes
Luke Adam
Brayden McNabb
2012 BUF 1st Round Pick
2012 CGY 2nd Round Pick
2013 BUF 1st Round Pick

to
Evgeni Malkin

Then our line-up looks like this:


FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Tyler Ennis ($0.875m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Tim Connolly ($2.200m) / Cody McCormick ($0.750m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.400m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Patrick Kaleta ($0.907m)
Matt Ellis ($0.600m) / Kyle Wilson ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Tyler Myers ($1.300m)
Jordan Leopold ($3.000m) / Steve Montador ($1.900m)
Mike Weber ($0.850m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.000m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.875m)

BUYOUTS: Tim Kennedy ($0.166m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,512,024; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $787,976

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06-27-2011, 09:34 PM
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Here's my scenario for getting Malkin.

We sign our RFAs, send Kotalik to Europe, send Morrisonn to Rochester, then make the following UFA signings:

Tim Connolly - 2 years, $4,400,000 total, $2,200,000 cap hit
Steve Montador - 2 years, $3,800,000 total, $1,900,000 cap hit
Cody McCormick - 1 year, $750,000 cap hit
Matt Ellis - 1 year, $600,000 cap hit
Kyle Wilson - 1 year, $700,000 cap hit

Then we make this trade:

to
Brad Boyes
Luke Adam
Brayden McNabb
2012 BUF 1st Round Pick
2012 CGY 2nd Round Pick
2013 BUF 1st Round Pick

to
Evgeni Malkin

Then our line-up looks like this:


FORWARDS
Thomas Vanek ($7.142m) / Evgeni Malkin ($8.700m) / Jason Pominville ($5.300m)
Tyler Ennis ($0.875m) / Derek Roy ($4.000m) / Drew Stafford ($4.000m)
Jochen Hecht ($3.525m) / Tim Connolly ($2.200m) / Cody McCormick ($0.750m)
Nathan Gerbe ($1.400m) / Paul Gaustad ($2.300m) / Patrick Kaleta ($0.907m)
Matt Ellis ($0.600m) / Kyle Wilson ($0.700m)

DEFENSEMEN
Robyn Regehr ($4.020m) / Tyler Myers ($1.300m)
Jordan Leopold ($3.000m) / Steve Montador ($1.900m)
Mike Weber ($0.850m) / Andrej Sekera ($2.000m)
Marc-Andre Gragnani ($0.750m)

GOALTENDERS
Ryan Miller ($6.250m) / Jhonas Enroth ($0.875m)

BUYOUTS: Tim Kennedy ($0.166m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $63,512,024; BONUSES: $425,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $787,976
That 8.7 is one hell of a contract to swallow.

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06-27-2011, 09:36 PM
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RB, why does Pittsburgh do that? I think we have to throw in Ennis just to get them to check that deal out.

Adam + Ennis + McNabb + 2 1sts + Calgary's 2nd. And Pittsburgh wouldn't even do that deal.

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06-27-2011, 09:44 PM
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to
Brad Boyes
Luke Adam
Brayden McNabb
2012 BUF 1st Round Pick
2012 CGY 2nd Round Pick
2013 BUF 1st Round Pick
Boyes is practically worthless in this trade. Switch Boyes to Ennis (younger, cheaper, way more upside), and it's closer. I imagine Pittsburgh might prefer Kassian over Adam too.

I still doubt the 'burg moves Malkin, though crazier things have happened.

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06-27-2011, 09:59 PM
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I think you all are quickly forgetting what we gave up for Robyn Regehr. This happens all the time. Everyone says "player x is untouchable, it will take all of your best players +++ to get him", then said player is moved for an average return. I think if Malkin were moved, a lot of people on these boards would be shocked (and Pens fans enraged) with the return at first.

My scenario is if we were to get Malkin in a trade. If Shero was gonna ask Darcy for Ennis, Kassian, Adam, next year's first rounder AND THEN some more, Darcy would laugh at him and hang up. Teams just don't give up that much for a single player, no matter how good that player is.

A top tier forward prospect, a top tier defense prospect, and two first round picks is a lot, even for a player of Malkin's caliber. Malkin wasn't even at a PPG clip this year, he's been trending downward the past couple of years, and he's coming off a serious knee injury. Face it, his value is nowhere near at its highest. It's not like we're trading for him the minute after he won the Conn Smythe.

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06-27-2011, 10:11 PM
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Malkin for a bunch of picks, prospects, and an inconsistent winger just doesn't make sense from a Pens POV.
They look like they'll be a very strong team next season, so how would picks and prospects help them?
The only thing that would help them immediately would be Boyes.

Next year, it looks like they'll have Jagr and possibly Kennedy at RW (even though they didn't qualify him, both sides are still optimistic that they'll reach a deal by Friday) and they have Tangradi waiting too.
Plus, even though Boyes has scored 30+ goals in the past, Tyler Kennedy has scored about the same amount over the past two seasons and costs less than 1/4 of what Boyes costs.

I agree that Ennis and most likely Kassian would have to be in the deal to even get Shero listening because there's no reason for the Pens to dump Malkin right now.
Center depth is also key in the NHL, so I don't see why they'd want to deplete it when they are still in a position to win.

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06-27-2011, 10:12 PM
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I think you all are quickly forgetting what we gave up for Robyn Regehr. This happens all the time. Everyone says "player x is untouchable, it will take all of your best players +++ to get him", then said player is moved for an average return. I think if Malkin were moved, a lot of people on these boards would be shocked (and Pens fans enraged) with the return at first.

My scenario is if we were to get Malkin in a trade. If Shero was gonna ask Darcy for Ennis, Kassian, Adam, next year's first rounder AND THEN some more, Darcy would laugh at him and hang up. Teams just don't give up that much for a single player, no matter how good that player is.

A top tier forward prospect, a top tier defense prospect, and two first round picks is a lot, even for a player of Malkin's caliber. Malkin wasn't even at a PPG clip this year, he's been trending downward the past couple of years, and he's coming off a serious knee injury. Face it, his value is nowhere near at its highest. It's not like we're trading for him the minute after he won the Conn Smythe.
The Regehr situation is totally different and mostly had to do with Feaster's cap troubles. Even if the Penguins had cap trouble and wanted to move Malkin, why would they take Boyes back at 4 million? His knee injury might lower his value slightly, but he's still one of the top forwards in the league. They don't go cheaply or easily. I doubt Darcy hangs up as you suggest at the thought of giving up Ennis, Kassian, Adam and some picks.

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06-27-2011, 10:13 PM
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I'm still unconvinced that Pittsburgh has to--or would even want to trade--Malkin.

With the rising cap they'll have space to spend more for wingers, and it's not like their owners are losing money and need to cut payroll. This isn't like the Gretzky trade where the Oilers owner wanted to line his pockets, or like the Thronton trade where they were trying to shake up their team, or the Heatley deal where he demanded a trade.

Why should the Pens even entertain offers for him?

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