The worst part about this management era - is not so much trading a certain player -but what the HABS get in return!
Flyers just got a 3rd round draft choice from Wild for Darroll Powe (not nearly as good or effective as Lapierre....Lappy is on a team in the Cup finals + just re-signed with Vancouver) - yet the Habs effectively gave Lappy away for nothing!
And what did the Habs get for Roberio(?)...Jannie (nothing) Ninima (sp?)!
I know that 2 differnt GMs made those 2 trades, but the philosophy appears to be similar, if not the same!
Did you just compare the Ribeiro (Roberio? lol) trade to Lapierre? One was giving away a young highly skilled top 6 center while the other was trading away a bottom 6 player that asked out.
The main thing that people failed to understand in the Lapierre trade is that the Habs traded him away (for too cheap, but he was also not producing well at all) in order to make room for Desharnais, who was a whole lot more useful than Lapierre would've been for the rest of the season AND is now signed for 2 years at a pretty low price. You only have so much spots on your team, and when one is taken by a guy who is highly inconsistent and wants out, and you have a player at his position lighting up the AHL below, well you trade.
Could he have gotten better in return, maybe, possibly. But I think they wanted the trade done quickly (you don't want to leave a player that wants out in your line-up too long) and they were not looking for a player since they already had his replacement.
In the end, hopefully he matured and helps you guys in Vancouver. He WAS a good playoff performer, and that counts. But I think that his antics also get on the nerves of his teammates over an 82 games season, especially for a team like Montreal that did not really have fighters to take care of business. But then again when he doesn't play that type of game where he gets under people skin, he just doesn't seem to get into it and doesn't contribute very well.
He's one of these guys who takes a break during the regular season and half the time you don't even understand why he isn't a #14 on your team.
Then playoffs come around and he's a solid player and makes it all worth it with timely goals and playing with an edge. He's able to get under opponents skin with ease. He's a good player but one of those players when you watch him play you can't help but feel he's better than what he's accomplished so far and simply doesn't have that drive to take his skills to the next level.
On several occasions Lapierre has shown some great creativity on the ice and has scored some very surprising goals. Ones you would expect from top tier forwards. Then the next game he goes back to being a pest with not much skill and when you do that on a team stacked with centers you better damn well hope you're one of the top 3.
He was a #4-5 at best, especially now that White is up. White can piss people off too and he backs it up more often than lappy does.
I like Lapierre but his time in Montreal was clearly coming to an end with the influx of young talent. That and he asked to be dealt.
I wish him all the best, loved him as a hab but wasn't terribly sad to see him go either. Just wish we would have gotten more.
He did well for us in the playoffs. He was inconsistent during the regular seasons... I liked what he brought to the club... His relationship to management likely came into play. I'm sure he'll continue to find teams that can find him useful.
He can be frustratingly inconsistent with both his effort and discipline over the course of an 82 game regular season. Unless Vigneault lights a fire under him or he matures on his own (both possible) I suspect you will agree with me on this by the next AllStar break. He always brings his game up another level in the playoffs though.
I won't speculate on why management let him go rather than work on improving his effort level throughout the regular season but I suppose it may have to do with off-ice issues as on the ice he can be a very useful player.
There is no way that the combination you listed was better than what Halpern, Darche and Pouliot had going this year. The only reason they didn't play more together was because of injuries and because all 3 saw top 6 time at various times of the year.
That was regular season and yes they potted a couple of goals, but Pouliot is not a performer in big games, at least not yet in his career.
Moore-Lapierre-Pyatt played against top scoring lines and neutralized them, scoring a few themselves. It was INVALUABLE as it basically allowed either Gionta or Cammalleri to face easier matchups and pile up some goals and win two series against favoured teams.
Halpern-Darche-Pouliot could be a good fourth line, nothing at all against how they did for a while there, but a third line capable of shutting down a top line is worth more.
What happened is that everyone realized Lapierre would never drop his gloves and they were now able to take all sorts of liberties on him. Then Laps started to yap less, hit less and bother other teams less.
That's why in the playoffs he suddenly picked his game up IMO.
Lapierre did well in the playoffs for Vancouver but he had the opportunity to fill out for Malhotra during his injury, and he did it well.
Next season however, with a full roster I'm very curious of how this is going to play out. I expect him to play a 4rth line role and he may be unhappy about that.
5 points in 25 playoff games is nothing to write home about for a #3 center. I'm not shedding any tears that he is gone, we can find a guy who shows up every night and doesn't whine for less than 1 mil/year.
This thread is full of revisionist history and lies. Lapierre never asked or demanded a top-6 role, he wanted to be the checking line centre and figured he deserved it after his great playoffs and breakout year the year before.
But as this forum goes to show over and over; the Habs are right, ex-Habs are always wrong.